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All-New 2010 Legacy/Outback

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  • mike1944mike1944 Posts: 16
    My 2010 Legacy is my 4th Subaru, so I've had a great deal of experience driving on snow and ice with AWD.I learned with my 2000 Legacy GT that the OEM tires sucked, and replaced them . I did the same on my 2005GT and will probably do so with the new car. I don't tear up the road in snow or ice conditions,and making a modest turn out of a parking lot, should not result in a 180degree rear end drift. I'm glad you're happy with your tires, but read the survey at tire rack and compare the el400 to other tires in its class,its rating from them and consumers indicate they are no good on wet,snowy or icey roads.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,392
    That's right.

    The issue is not expecting tires to perform as well on icy or wet conditions as in dry. The OEM tires can certainly get one around with a good AWD system, but it does not make up for the fact that they perform very poorly - period. When an emergency situation arises, that can make all the difference between avoiding a collision or making a call to the insurance company....
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    Or the undertaker!
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,392
    Hahah; okay, I was trying to keep the discussion light... :P
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    My OB Limited (& all that I have seen) come with a 225/60 x 17 Conti- Procontact 98T tire which is ranked fairly well by CR, but so so at Tire rack. I replaced mine with the Michelin Primacy MXV4 H rating which is the higest rated tire by both CR (including lowest rolling resistance) & Tire Rack.

    The Michelins were not available in the 225/60 size so I got 235/55 x 17 with H rating. This is slightly shorter (1.5%) & wider then OEM size. Since drove the Contis < 500 miles I can't say I noticed much difference, but have not complaints about the Michelins - did not have any snow this winter, but again, CR & TR give them higest marks for any all season tires on snow & ice. Thus, based on the ratings from both CR & TR, I'm confident these are about as good as it gets for a AS tire. :D

    My MPG has been spot on to the EPA so I can't say comment on how they affected mileage. Being slightly wider & shorter, it may reduce MPG slightly, but I am hoping the fact that the lowest rolling resistance balances that out.

    Discount Tire matched the Tire Rack price (with shipping) and gave me $40 each for the OEM take offs (I felt this was very reasonable if not generous.

    On subaruoutback.org, a number of owners indicate they like the Triple Treads.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,392
    This has no bearing on the tires at all, but, for your own knowledge, the 235/55 tires are 1.7% smaller in circumference than the stock tires. As a result, any distance recorded by your odometer is slightly off for the purpose of computing fuel economy, etc. The difference is very minor, though. Over 36,000 miles, your car will record 600 more miles traveled than the distance actually covered.

    It sounds like you got a great deal on the new tires, especially given the salvage value they gave on the OEM tires.
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    Any of you 2010 Legacy / OB owners who would like to tame the body roll on your new buggy. Turns out the rear sway bar for new Leg/OB is same as on 2008 & later Imprezas (whodathunkit)! So you can simple bolt on an OEM Impreza STi or after market RSB to flatten the corners with your OB. Cheap too, about $95 from discount Subie stores.

    Or consider the Ralitech 19 mm solid RSB @ $179 w brackets & bushings. - click here to get in on group buy: http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/showthread.php?s=078d92d9c5ed42f751a50978e54- d4739&postid=230222#post230222

    Gonna get me some of dat! :shades:
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    For any of you 2010 Legacy / OB owners who would like to tame the body roll on your new buggy - turns out the rear sway bar for new Leg/OB is same as on 2008 & later Imprezas (whodathunkit)! So you can simple bolt on an OEM Impreza STi or after market RSB to flatten the corners with your OB. Cheap too, about $95 from discount Subie stores.

    Or consider the Ralitech 19 mm solid RSB @ $179 w brackets & bushings. - use this link to get in on group buy: http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/showthread.php?s=078d92d9c5ed42f751a50978e54- d4739&postid=230222#post230222

    Gonna get me some of dat! :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That is wild. I know my 98 Forester would fit Impreza sways from that era, but Outback? I'd expect it to be wider.
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 366
    If you have been considering taming your 2010's body roll, there an excellent deal via a group buy over on subaruoutback.org. Deal ends April 23.
    There are many posts on the subject starting here: http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24159&perpage=20&- pagenumber=3

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  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 186
    I guess I should have checked the specs on ground clearance before posting this question, but does anyone else feel like their 2010 Legacy sits a bit low to the ground? There is one parking lot in my town that I drag going into every time. It feels like it's right around the firewall.

    easypar
  • marvinlee1marvinlee1 OregonPosts: 43
    The steering wheel on my 2010 Legacy doesn't appear to have a spring assist to bring the steering wheel back up when I disengage the control lever under the steering wheel column. Is this normal? Previous cars all had a spring assist.
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 186
    No, mine doesn't either, it's kind of annoying. Neither our old Forester nor my Maxima had it. To me that's more annoying than the lack of folding mirrors.

    easypar
  • arpeearpee Posts: 2
    I've got numbers on a lease and wanted some feedback. It's a 2010 legacy 3.6R limited, msrp is 31146. Got them down to around 28,800. Lease offer was for 36 months, 15K miles, residual of 54%, and a money factor of .0012.

    Do these sound kosher?
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    I have an LG envy touch phone. It does not read or syc with my contacts, otherwise all works fine. Can anyone offer some guidance as to what I am doing wrong or need to do. Thank You
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    Does that phone have Phone Book Access (PBA) listed as one of its Bluetooth profiles? If not, contacts are usually not accessible to the in-car device. An exception seems to be certain hard wired Parrot systems that work with my non-PBA Motorola V3.
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    Received a call from SOA in response to my letter inquiring as to whether or not the steering wheel vibration at speeds of 60 and beyond are in any way a safety issue. I was told that it was not. They have also contacted my dealer who scheduled a Road Force Test for my vehicle . I already had a wheel balance and that did not help. Does anyone reading have any additional information or fix for the issue..Thanks
  • nornetnornet Posts: 24
    How does the CVT perform in the mountains? Are there any issues with it not being able to find the "right gear" when the grades are constantly changing?
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 186
    Although I've only got 4500 miles on mine I've been pretty impressed with the CVT. I live in the Colorado Front Range and have driven it to various ski resorts as well as over to Salt Lake City for skiing in the Cottonwood Canyons. It's actually much less annoying than an "old fashioned" automatic, even the newer "electronic" ones.

    I think the reason for the lack of a "search" effect is that by constantly seeking to find the optimum gear ratio it's changing gradually. That sentence may sound counter-intuitive; i.e. "search" vs "seek", but it's a matter of incremental change. On the order of going from 2,000 RPM to 2200, then 2300, then 2600 to arrive at point of balance. Automatics would jump from the 2,000 to 3400 RPM if that is the ratio that the next gear down would be at a given speed.

    At the salesman's recommendation I loaded the wife, golf clubs and some other weight in the trunk and drove up a narrow canyon to a nearby town. This was actually because of her concern that I might not be happy with the power of a 4 cylinder after years of V8s, powerful V6s and a turbo or two. We bought the 4 cylinder Legacy.

    easypar
  • avery1avery1 Posts: 372
    I understand that the AWD on the 4 cyl is a different system than the usual Subaru system. How has it done in the snow?
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 186
    I've liked it in the snow, but I grew up driving in snow with RWD cars and I've never had a problem.
  • gened1gened1 Posts: 256
    easypar,
    Didn't your wife complain about being in the trunk? Where can we find a woman like that!!!
  • Just got a Brand New car last week. This Saturday while I was driving, Check
    Engine light comes on, and several other lights came on or started blinking. Called sales at dealer since the service was closed. I was told most likely it would be caused by loose gas cap. I then added more gas and tightened the cap. After several trips, short and long, the light are still on or blinking!!

    I got really frustrated now! :mad: :mad: What should I do except for having the car
    checked at the dealer tomorrow? To file a complaint? Anything else I can do?

    Thanks,
  • gened1gened1 Posts: 256
    I may take several fillups to turn the light off if it is the gas cap. I can understand your frustration. Keep this forum posted as to what the dealer finds.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    A blinking light is a more serious warning, you're supposed to park it and call a tow truck.

    New Subarus include roadside assistance, so call the number on that card and have it towed to your dealer. I'd ask for a loaner as well since it's a brand new car.

    Good luck and keep us posted.

    PS You cross-posted that complaint in several forums, there's no need to do that and it's against Edmunds' rules.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I didn't know there was a magazine called Family, nor that they tested cars. :D

    Any how, it never hurts to win more awards. Best Family Cars of 2010: Subaru Legacy.

    http://www.parents.com/parenting/money/car-buying/best-family-cars-2010/?page=4
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,018
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  • gened1gened1 Posts: 256
    The interview was very interesting. Hopefully I was able to assist in the review process of the new Legacy and Subaru products in general.
  • marvinlee1marvinlee1 OregonPosts: 43
    I like my new Legacy, but liking it does not blind me from seeing things that I would like changed. 1) Put a spring-assist on the tilt steering wheel, like the much cheaper car I sold after buying the Legacy. 2) Get rid of the audible gear noise. Modern engineering makes quiet gears easy to achieve. 3. Add a sixth gear, like major competitors. Heck,get a marketing edge and install the excellent seven-speed automatic from Jatco, which is not far from the Japanese plant. Include the speed-volume audio feature from the cheaper standard audio system. Why pay more for the Harmon Kardon system and get less? Reduce front end tire and road noise. Yes, MacPherson struts tend to transmit more noise, but other brands are doing better. with similar suspension. Quiet down the exhaust. It is power that I want, not more noise, when accelerating hard. Can you make the engine idle smoothly? It has been many years since I had a six-cylinder engine that vibrated the steering wheel when idling. Delete the economy-gauge. It is useless. Make the center-dashboard section data display twice as bright in daylight and display 50 percent larger numbers. And make the AC fan less noisy, like on some lower cost cars. The tilt steering wheel simply doesn't tilt far enough for my preferences. The cost to fix would be small. Why am I complaining? Because this is an excellent car that merits the best of engineering refinement.
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