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All-New 2010 Legacy/Outback

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  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    Subaru's true upscale march came in 2005-2006 and failed miserably (look at Tribeca sales). Everyone balked at the prices.

    But some of us benefitted from the great discounts like the $5000 off of a 3.0R VDC that I got at that time. The up-market push brought me back from Audi/VW since I didn't have to sit on recycled burlap like in my 97 Legacy any more. :D

    And take a look at the prices on the 3.6 Limited Outback which I believe is sold out for 2010! Of course those prices helped me decide on a 2010 XT Forester instead.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, 2008 or so may have been the sweet spot because they were still building high-content cars but selling them at huge discounts.

    I looked today and a loaded Tribeca is $36 grand. People were getting those for $32-33k or so. Demos were less. Remember those supposedly hail-damaged Tribecas that sold for $27k new? Rumor has it they were hardly damaged at all, but SoA wanted to unload a bunch for cheap without an adverse affect on resale.

    I should have nabbed one.
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    Remember those supposedly hail-damaged Tribecas that sold for $27k new? Rumor has it they were hardly damaged at all, but SoA wanted to unload a bunch for cheap without an adverse affect on resale.

    I should have nabbed one.


    That is how I bought a 1993 Passat VR6 wagon for a minimum price: The hail damage was only barely visible when I sighted across the roof at exactly the right angle. One bounce of a roller at a car wash would have done more. When I traded it in on the 97 Legacy the dealer thought it was a cream puff, but it was a true VW with a questionable head gasket and autotrans gasket leak. The long VW warranty in later years was of benefit for my next two Passats. They are great cars to drive and ride in, but hell to own out of warranty.

    I hope Subaru head gasket problems have been laid to rest or the present sales success will not continue. I suspect the increased bore diameters of the 2.5l engine in the same overall block dimensions as the 2.2l have pushed the limits of block rigidity. That's one reason I bought an XT with the sturdier block casting. It also does not have the nasty exhaust rap from the thin manifolds. The 3.6R block exhaust also does not have those manifolds.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,251
    edited June 2010
    Motor Trend is long terming a 2010 Outback. They had the oil changed-tires rotated and air&cabin filters replaced. Just $368. That's Mercedes territory. My 09 Murano cost me $10 for the air filter [installed by me] coupon for a free rotation at autotire and the dealer comps my oil and filter. The cabin filter is just fine. I'm feeling so lucky. Do like the Outback --- nice car but the dealer really ripped Motor Trend. Be careful out there.
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 186
    Ouch, I'm pretty sure MT can afford it. How did they show the cost, as part of the overall upkeep, or as a warning to owners against using the dealers for routine work? I haven't read MT for years but I guess for consistency's sake they do it that way to get consistent comparos across manufacturer's lines.

    I turned 5,000 a month or so ago and had the oil and filter changed at a local (not national brand) oil/brakes/exhaust place that coupons $20.00 as a way to build customer loyalty. They use national brand oil and good filters. I had the tires rotated at Discount Tire so no charge there.

    When I was in my dealer last weekend for the CVT cooling hose change out I remember seeing the price list behind the service counter. I'm pretty sure the 15k one was listed at about the same price as MT paid.

    I'm probably going to put a big DO NOT TOUCH sticker on my air filter housing to keep morons from opening it. My wife had her oil changed (Lexus RX) at a Wal-Mart or some other place and they managed to DISLODGE one of the "captive" screws on the air filter housing. She noticed it when we were driving from Austin to Denver when the gas gauge needle was dropping faster than normal.

    Turned out they had dislodged on of the tiny vacuum lines which was causing the crap mileage. But the missing screw is a PITA because it's IIRC a 5mm diameter. After the second one disappeared I changed services to the place I mentioned above.

    Overall that dealer charge adds about 2.4 cents per mile to the long term ownership costs.

    easypar
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    I'm glad you are enjoying your car. Have you noticed any shakes in the steering wheel of which many have complained and for which there is supposed to be a TSB issued by Subaru in mid-July?

    The cheap glued-on satellite radio antenna has been fixed for the 2011 model. It has been moved to the rear portion of the roof where it should have been all along. Also, the 2011 has folding rear mirrors.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    The 2.5 engine uses an open deck block design which is why it is prone to head gasket failures. I believe that Subaru actually re-designed the head gasket yet again for 2010 to try to deal with the head gasket failures. I encountered this on my 1997 Outback which had a failed head gasket at 140,000 miles and required a new engine.

    The XT uses a semi-closed deck block and so is sturdier but the problem with this engine is that the banjo turbo oil filter screen tends to obstruct, leading to turbo failures, of which there are many reports online. Good luck with yours.

    http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/83-outback-turbo/17697-turbo-failure-clogged- -banjo-bolt-filter-print.html
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 186
    I was driving my wife's RX on a local street the other day and a new, '10 or '11 Outback pulled up next to me. Looking across I was pretty suprised by how close in size they appeared. I went into the "Specs" section of Edmunds and did a size comparison and was noticed they are THE SAME SIZE.

    One or two of the dimensions differed by less than an inch, but that was about it. I realize that the Subies don't have all the nice extras that the Lex has; outside mirrors looking down in reverse gear, electrically controlled tilt wheel, multiple driver's seat pre-sets, electric tailgate but the price difference is a bunch.

    A few months ago I ran the numbers for an Outback on both Edmunds and SOA and an Outback with what we'd want would probably MSRP for about $30-$31K. I figure a Lex is going to be in the $40K plus range.

    I'm posting this because we have a 6 month old Legacy, 2.5, CVT and my wife likes its ride and mileage. Her Lex is 6 1/2 years old and not ready for replacement yet, but she has been "pre-looking" and "pre-planning". We no longer do the kind of things that require a sport ute but she has always liked having the extra space and the fact that she sits up a bit higher.

    The improved mileage ratings versus her old, much heavier RX is an issue, although we don't drive enough for much $$ savings.

    Anyway I was wondering if anyone has moved from anything like a RX-330, Acura MDX or similar to the new Outback?

    easypar
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    In the latest edition sent to me there is a photo of the steering wheel controls for the Outback. It mentions there is a mute button for the audio. I have a 2010 limited and do not see this button. Am I missing something? Does anyone have this button? Thanks
  • eps105eps105 Posts: 216
    That button is replaced with the voice activation button in models with the nav.
  • Bought brand new from the dealer on March 19, 2010, mileage todate: 1,700 miles.

    From the start already noticed that when backing up and shifting from Park to Reverse, majority of the time there will be a rather big jolt accompanied with a clunking/thudding noise. The problem is more pronounced on an incline surface.

    When shifting to Neutral and to Drive, there will be a little clicking noises.

    Never had this problem with previous 1995 and 2005 Legacy 2,5i and 2006 Outback 2.5i.
  • etan797733etan797733 Posts: 8
    edited July 2010
    Sorry, first time posting, thought I lost the previous message #1126 thus reposting this message.

    Bought brand new from dealer March 19, 2010, mileage todate: 1,700 miles.

    From the very beginning already noticed that when backing up and shifting from Park to Reverse, there will be a rather big jolt accompanied by a big clunking noise. This problem is more pronounced on an incline surface.

    When shifting to Neutral and to Drive, there will be little clicking noise at each stage.

    Didn't get the time to bring the car to the dealer yet.

    The engine noise is also rather loud after starting,

    Never had all these problems with previous 1995 and 2005 Legacy 2.5i and 2006 Outback 2.5i.

    Anybody has the same problems?

    Drove the car long distance for 300 miles on July 4th weekend. The drive was smooth and got 31 mpg.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,391
    Yours is the first I have seen of it, yet I strongly suspect you should have it looked at ASAP. It is entirely possible that something was just not assembled properly and you truly have a manufacturing defect, which is the whole point of the warranty. It is disappointing that you are experiencing the problem, but great that it manifested itself so early on so that you can have it addressed now for (hopefully) trouble-free ownership going forward.
  • Thanks for the valuable advise. Will have it checked ASAP.
  • Recall ID # 10V283000 - STEERING:COLUMN - Get Details
    Recall Date: JUN 24, 2010
    Component: STEERING:COLUMN
    Model Affected: LEGACY
    Potential Units Affected: 73698

    Recall Date:JUN 24, 2010

    Model Affected:2010 SUBARU LEGACY

    Summary:SUBARU IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2010 OUTBACK AND LEGACY PASSENGER VEHICLES MANUFACTURED FROM FEBRUARY 16, 2009 THROUGH APRIL 12, 2010. THE WIRING IN THE STEERING COLUMN ELECTRICAL ROLL CONNECTOR LOCATED BEHIND THE VEHICLE'S STEERING WHEEL MAY DEVELOP STRESS CRACKS AND EVENTUALLY BREAK. IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN CERTAIN ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS MAY NOT OPERATE AS INTENDED.

    Consequence:POSSIBLE CIRCUITS AFFECTED ARE THE DRIVER'S FRONTAL AIRBAG, PADDLE SHIFTER FUNCTION, CRUISE CONTROL, HORN CONTROL AND RADIO FUNCTIONS INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.

    Remedy:DEALERS WILL CHECK LOT NUMBER OF THE STEERING ROLL CONNECTOR. THE ROLL CONNECTOR WILL BE REPLACED WITH A NEW ONE IF THE LOT NUMBER SHOWED ANY AFFECTED RANGE OF THE FAILURE OCCURRENCE. THIS SERVICE WILL BE PERFORMED FREE OF CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL BEGAN ON JULY 7, 2010. OWNERS MAY CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.

    Potential Units Affected:73698

    Notes:SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC. WVR-28
    Recall ID # 10V196000 - ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:COOLING SYSTEM:HOSE - Get Details
    Recall Date: MAY 07, 2010
    Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:COOLING SYSTEM:HOSE
    Model Affected: LEGACY
    Potential Units Affected: 29443

    Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2010/subaru/legacy/recalls/index.html#ixzz0tmFizd- WX
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    FYI Just received a call from dealership informing me that technicians are coming in to fix the on going steering wheel vibration, excessive road feel, and shimmy at high speeds that I have had since I bought the 2010 outback in February. They are going by a list and have reached my vehicle.I am happy that SOA has kept their promise to me and that they have followed through with informing me. I just hope that this fix will be the end of this problem.
  • Does SOA designate the specific dealership that you have to go to or you can just go to any other dealership to have the problem fixed?

    So far, my 2010 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium does not have the steering wheel vibration problem yet. The problem is with the jolting and clunking when shifting from Park to Reverse, which is very very rare even for any old old cars.

    Don't know if anybody has the same problem as mine.
  • matt1320matt1320 Posts: 20
    Our '10 OB 2.5i CVT Premium goes clunk when shifting from P to R too. Thankfully, no front end vibe. So far, the other 3 recalls have checked out OK, no repairs/replacements necessary. More recalls to come???
  • Good for you with the recalls, Matt. Too bad you also have the shifting problem. Did the dealer check on the shifting problem? What did they say?

    I have already e-mailed the Customer Care Dept. of SOA in New Jersey about the shifting problem, they immediately responded and told me to bring the car to the dealership for check up. Didn't get a chance to do that yet.

    So far haven't received any notification yet for any of the recalls in the Long Island, New York area. My only problems are the jolting and clunking when shifting from P to R, and also loud engine noise when first started, altho after a while the noise subsides but still a little loud as compared with other cars, e.g.Camry, Accord, etc. So far, don't have the steering wheel problem yet.

    Hopefully, SOA will issue recalls for the shifting and engine noise problems soon.
  • gmginsfogmginsfo San Diego, CAPosts: 113
    This may well have been noted already, but the latest issue of "Drive" says that folding mirrors are standard on the 2011 Outbacks. Good move, Subaru!

    I never felt the need to look into the H6 when I bought my 2010 Outback last New Year's Eve, because getting the CVT was my chief motivation. At 32+ MGP on the freeway, I've no regrets, power or otherwise.
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