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All-New 2010 Legacy/Outback

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  • Now at 5,000 miles on my 3.6R Legacy. It has been a hot summer and so the A/C has worked overtime! When I turn on the auto climate control and it is hot out, the car automatically activates the recycled air feature on the HVAC system. Is there a way to de-program this feature? I understand the reasoning, recycle the air to cool the car quicker, the problem is that recycled air makes the windows dirty (puts a dirt film on them). Any suggestions on de-activating this feature?
  • My 2010 Legacy Limited is now almost 9 months old and has 5350 miles on it. It is a city car, and despite its Subaru lineage, has never seen off road conditions. As you can see by my mileage numbers, it is not driven hard. So all that said, the cabin of the car is full of little creaks. I notice it when the radio is off, and the a/c is on...and mostly on the left side of the cabin, front and back. There is a distinct creaking noise that emanates from the left dash area, and from the rear left seat area, although I have not been able to pinpoint it. It is not leather creaking. I don't know what it is. It is the kind of elusive noise that is difficult to describe to the service guy and have him find it unless you go along for the test drive and point it out. But it is annoying and it suggests to me poor workmanship or something not fitting just right with something else. When I accelerate, it creaks. When I brake, it creaks again. I'm just wondering if anyone else out there in Legacyland is experiencing anything similar. For the most part, I love the car. I've had a few minor issues with it, but let me emphasize minor.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,273
    Welcome to Subaru ownership! All three of the Subaru's I have owned in the past few years have been creak/rattle boxes.

    Do exactly what you already suggested - drive it with the service manager and point out all the noises.... and keep on them until the rattles/creaks are gone! Warranty work hits SOA in the pocketbook, so it gives them incentive to better their factory fitment policies and procedures.

    Judging, though, by how many cars have these rattles, I'd say not nearly enough owners are addressing the problem. ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Also, make sure it's not something you put in it.

    I had some rattling and it turned out to be a coin holder that I have. Oops.

    Some self-adhesive velvetty liner took care of that.
  • Thanks for the input, xwesx.

    This 2010 is my 5th Subaru (and my 4th Legacy) and the first one with this amount of creaking or irritating interior noises. I had a 2006 Legacy and the frame/springs of the driver's seat (also leather) squeaked from the first day I had it until I traded it in! Again, minor annoyance, but annoyance still the same. They never were able to fix it.
  • Good suggestion. Thanks.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,273
    edited August 2010
    I had no problems with my '96 Outback until it got older (>120,000 miles), then some things, mostly the dash, started to develop rattles. I can forgive an older car for that, though!

    Afterward, I had two Outbacks, a 2007 and a 2008, and both of them had identical rattles: dash, B-pillars, glove box, rear gate. They fixed the dash and gate rattles, but never did fix the glove box or pillars. On the glove box, they replaced the one in my 2007 but it did the same thing afterward, so I didn't even bother addressing it on the '08. I did not have either car long, so I don't know how they would have aged.

    The 2010 Forester I have is very quiet after addressing the from-new door rattles. I have 16,000 miles on it now and it is still quiet; I hope to be able to say the same thing at 116,000 miles! :D
  • My 2010 OB is basically rattle-free. One thing I have noticed, however, is that the seat-belt buckle for the passenger seat sometimes bangs around a bit if it isn't hanging right.

    So far, at least, every little rattle noise has been something trivial, like the above example, or else something left in a cup-holder.

    The "plug" for the 12-volt output behind the shift lever also seems like a loose fit. And whenever I am using that outlet I have a hard time figuring out where to stash the plug so that it isn't rattling around....
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,432
    From cars101.com

    8/31- Fold-In outside mirrors are now available for the 2010 Outback and Legacy The non-breakaway power outside mirrors on all 2010 Outback and Legacy were a source of concern for many people. This was fixed on 2011s, and now these fold-in mirrors are available as replacement for the 2010s, in all the colors so no painting is required. Mirrors kits (including left and right side) are MSRP $199.95 from your local Subaru dealer. Standard unheated mirror kit is part #SOA635985, Heated mirror kit is part #SOA635086
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not cheap, but anyone's breaks, replace it with this part # for sure.
  • Dear Crew;

    I'm finding that building an Outback has gotten more complicated in the last 8 years since I purchased my 2002 L.L.Bean. Guidance please:
    1. Moon Roof: Used to have two standard. Now a single moonroof is an option?
    2. That nifty sounding internet "hot spot". Any idea as to how well it works? Is there a separate monthly charge, or does it somehow piggyback as part of my cell phone plan?
    3. Any other items that were part of the "Bean" package that are now "options"?
    Thanks in advance.........">
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Single moonroof is a-la-carte now and only offered on some models.

    I think they did that because some tall folks wanted head room first and foremost.

    If you like lots of glass check out a Forester. Most models come with a huge one standard.
  • I don't currently own a Subaru, but am considering the Legacy. I've driven V6 sedans for many years (Honda Accord and Nissan Maxima), and have enjoyed the reduced vibrations and noise and lower RPM on the highway compared to I4 versions, as well as the increased HP.

    How does the H4 Subaru with CVT feel on the highway at 70 mph? Is there much vibration and noise? What RPM is the engine turning on a flat road at 60 or 70 mph? I have never owned a CVT car (in fact my current Maxima is a 6MT), but it seems this would be one of the strong points of that transmission - low RPMs when power is not needed.

    While I will certainly miss the HP of a V6 if I go with a 4-cyl car, I think I can live with that since I so seldom put my foot into it. But I'm pretty hesitant to accept more NVH (noise, vibration and harshness), even for more MPG.

    Any feedback regarding both the 4- and 6-cylinder Legacy is appreciated.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You may be happier with the smooth-as-buttah H6.
  • easypareasypar ColoradoPosts: 173
    Tim, I came out of a 2003 Maxima, automatic. I had similar concerns and I went with a 4 cyl Legacy. I did extensive road testing first and I find the Legacy to be as smooth, or smoother. I was suprised to note the size of the '10 Legacy is within 1/10" on just about every dimension as my Max was. The only thing smaller is the trunk but I'm not in sales any more so that doesn't matter.

    I really like the CVT, it's great for mileage. To see some of my numbers on that please go over to the thread on mileage with the CVT.
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 643
    The four is slow in highway driving, esp. passing and on long upward grades. It is OK in town.

    The CVT makes a loud, objectionable droning noise. I did not like it at all on the car I test drove. Some folks say they can't hear it but it is definitely there.
  • nedlyjnedlyj Posts: 89
    Our 2011 Outback has just developed a high pitch whine/whistle noise in the front that begins around 2500 rpm and increases/decreases with rpm (rpm not mph/speed). Very audible under acceleration beginning at 30 mph and sounds similar to high speed wind noise of a nylon lawn trimmer (but it's not car wind noise). This has definitely not been there for the first 1000 miles, and just started in last few days. Any ideas what to have service look at? Thanks.
  • The noise could be coming from the alternator.
  • nedlyjnedlyj Posts: 89
    I thought about that but I can't replicate the noise when "not moving" and I would think if it was the alternator I could replicate it when in Neutral. It's very prevalent when going 30-40MPH, but can't get it when in Neutral sitting still. Even my kids say it sounds like wind noise, but rises and falls with rpm (if I rev from low rpm while driving). Could an intake leak or the fans cause this?
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,273
    edited October 2010
    If the sound is not there at all when the transmission is disengaged, it is most likely coming from the transmission. Does the noise persist if you put the transmission in neutral while you're going 30-40? In other words, you're accelerating and you hear the noise - put the car in neutral... does the sound immediately stop?

    When you test it in neutral while standing, there are a lot of parts that are not turning (from the transmission onward), so it could be the transmission itself, a differential, etc.
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