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All-New 2010 Legacy/Outback

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  • surrfurtomsurrfurtom Posts: 124
    With all due respect my friend, holy hxll...."Powerglide failures" in Corvettes....you must be as old as I am. That is really ancient history.
  • I went to see the 2010 outbacks and I noticed that the cloths seats seemed to lack any pile (nap?) resulting in an unimpressive scratchy texture. In comparison the 2009's cloth seats seemed to be more luxurious. Meanwhile the 2010 leather seats seemed quite nice. Are there other people out there that were expecting more out of the 2010 cloths seats?
  • tee_el_ceetee_el_cee Posts: 20
    I've yet to see the 2010 Outback in person. But reading cars101.com, the most exciting aspect is the ability to get Limiteds w/o a moonroof. I'm tall and need the headroom.

    Can anyone confirm that these exist? That Subaru is not putting moonroofs on all the Limiteds?

    Thanks,
    tlc
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    The moonroof is now an option on the Limited; same with Premium models.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    As you know Subaru offers a diesel in Europe, but it only comes with a manual tranny. This is because Subaru doesn't offer an automatic that can handle the Subie diesel's torque.

    However, I heard yesterday from my sales guy (who is pretty clued in to Subie happenings) that Subaru is now testing the new CVT in this diesel. So that certainly says to me that this new CVT must be pretty strong.

    Bob
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    Powerglide failures" in Corvettes....you must be as old as I am. That is really ancient history.

    I could have mentioned throwing a rod in my 1928 Chevrolet, my first car! :D
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    Good to see more geezers here. I can say that as I'm a certified member at age 64. :)

    Bob
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    However, I heard yesterday from my sales guy (who is pretty clued in to Subie happenings) that Subaru is now testing the new CVT in this diesel. So that certainly says to me that this new CVT must be pretty strong

    The diesel-CVT might provide impressive mpg WITH good performance, presuming the rev range of the diesel is large enough to take full advantage of the CVT. I don't remember the diesel's specifications. Perhaps at full throttle that Subaru will sound like one of the new Chicago buses which perform amazingly well.
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    Good to see more geezers here. I can say that as I'm a certified member at age 64.

    Bob,

    But I was 13 years old when you were born. I actually drove most of those extinct brands like Cord, Packard, Studebaker, Hudson, Willys Overland,etc. I am a Life Member of SAE and ISA (more than 50 years of membership) and my name is on a few automotive patents of more than 50 years ago.

    Dave
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    Wow! I'm impressed!

    The oldest vehicle I've ever driven (and the vehicle I learned to drive on) was my uncle's 1941 Chevy stake-bodied farm truck when I was 12. Yup, even mastered double-clutching on that truck. :)

    Bob
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    But you didn't get to start driving at age 7 like I did.......my cousin's farm tractor; then my father's 1940 Chevrolet at age 12. I drove at night for my father thereafter on long trips since he saw poorly at night. By that age I was as tall as my father so the seat didn't even need adjusting. That was the early version of graduated driving priviledges. :D
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    The rpm for both horsepower and torque seem to have been lowered to improve mpg and improve accel with the CVT.
    6000 to 5600 for horsepower and 4400 to 4000 for torque. That means a lower total reduction ratio is necessary...possibly a necessity for the limits of the CVT pulley diameters.

    No road tests of the new 4 w/CVT seem to be available; wonder what the delay is at Edmunds.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    Road tests? Plenty here.

    http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1793128

    So far no "track" tests yet, but they should be coming soon.

    Bob
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    So numbers are verboten until daddy says ok? There is really nothing much more than a rehash of SOA press releases in that thread.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    I am not sure I am liking the interior of the car. It looks to be a bit harsh. It doesn't seem to flow real well from the center all the way to the doors. The steering wheel is not real good looking either. The base model with cloth seats looks a bit off when comparing to the exterior. A bit cheap. Honestly, it is a sharp looking car, but looks like many other cars out already. I don't find it unique, I almost want to think they took from design cues from Infinity, and Hyundai. In order to get the look they wanted, you have to spend quite a bit. The base has too small of wheels.
    Cars are almost getting too big again.

    The car has grown up, and doesn't seem to have that youthful look and feel like it did. The whole line up has grown up a bit. Even the impreza has lost a bit of youth. That is what really set them apart. They seemed fun and hip, and now they seem to be more like an executive car, sorta boring.

    Then again, many companies are doing this too. I would just call it, following the trend.

    The new model is going to sell well, very nice! Great attempt. Still the previous model was a sporty looking ride.
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    I looked at the 2010 Legacy and Outback exteriors briefly yesterday. They were not nearly as good looking as the Forester. The Legacy sedan looked like something from an aftermarket tuner! The Outback is a lumpy design with no flowing lines. The 2010 Forester may be preferred by most.....especially since the passenger compartment space is almost identical and the price is slightly lower. The only missing feature on the Forester is bluetooth on non nav models. The Legacy and Outback are strange looking indeed.

    If I were replacing my 2005 Outback 3.0R VDC, it would be with the Forester.
  • drove the '10 OB Ltd. Friday... still very underwhelmed by exterior styling, it looks better in white or gold but I do not like it. Interior seemed improved (seating & room) over '09.
    CVT was very underwhelming to drive, interesting and I don't mind the premise (no shifting of gears that you feel) but it had a disconcerting shudder when slowing to a stop, like a clunky downshift into 1st in a typical auto.

    Definitely feels more truck-ish to drive since it sits higher and just feels more like an appliance than a vehicle with any real engagement of the driver or anything that would encourage you to drive it with any spirit.
  • mikemartinmikemartin Posts: 205
    Welcome to the new world of Toyotaru, or Subota.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    If I were replacing my 2005 Outback 3.0R VDC, it would be with the Forester.

    Not me. I much prefer the added comfort and features of the Outback, especially the NAVI-equipped 3.6 model (I drove one very briefly Saturday). I can live with the styling, even though it's not great.

    Bob
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    especially the NAVI-equipped 3.6

    Bob,

    Once inside and driving I would probably agree that it is much nicer than the Forester. But how do I get inside the Outback without looking at it? :cry:

    Perhaps a 2011 (2012?) refinement of the styling will fix it. Subaru seems to have gone back to its early days when I had to make excuses for my used potato sack upholstery...but now it is the exterior.

    Now that Toyota has cleaned up styling, their old designers must have needed jobs and found them at Subaru.

    Dave
  • ingvaringvar Posts: 205
    Now that Toyota has cleaned up styling
    New toyotas look horrible. Toyota venza looks so ugly :sick:
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I do not sell them. I'm in mgmt in our Mazda store, and involved with daily operations of our Subaru store.

    While the ground clearance is the same, the seating position in the Outback it lower. That is what I meant.

    I owned an Impreza, currently own a Legacy and my father-in-law has an 09 Forester.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,721
    When driving '09 XT Outback .vs. '09 XT Forester, the Outback seemed to have less road noise.
    If anyone compares '10 Outback .vs. '10 Forester (latter of which is supposedly the same as '09) it would be good to know if Outback is quieter on roads.

    In Oregon we have many freeways that are essentially tar-covered gravel. On those roads, a Lexus 400H is just as noisy inside as my '09 XT., while my '04 Malibu Maxx was unbearably loud.
  • oceana143oceana143 Posts: 38
    Went to a showroom, saw the new Legacy, and walked away impressed by mileage with the 2.5i CVT. Here is my question, how would an AWD Legacy handle on winding roads compared to the 6 and Altima? Is it generally more secure vs. the sportier sedans in the mid-sized market? Thanks in advance for any insights!
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    Definitely more secure, as it has full-time AWD. Test one for yourself (on a rainy day you'll really see the difference). I think you'll agree.

    Bob
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    The Mazda6 does have best in class handling, bettering the previous gen Legacy (too much body roll). I don't know how the new Legacy will stack up.

    Inclimate weather the Legacy will be better because of the AWD. However, it is important to remember AWD does not equal better handling on dry pavement....
  • saedavesaedave Chicago, ILPosts: 683
    Now that Toyota has cleaned up styling
    New toyotas look horrible. Toyota venza looks so ugly


    I was comparing the current Camry to previous models.
  • oceana143oceana143 Posts: 38
    I was under the impression that on curves it performs better, even on dry roads, which is one of the reasons that the Audi A4 Quattro handles so well.
  • synzerosynzero Posts: 3
    ...even in the dry AWD should provide a handling advantage over FWD.
  • Can anyone w/ an '09 Outback w/ the Auto tranny tell me what your RPM are at 70 mph?

    I'm trying to judge that & noise vs. the '10 OB CVT, which seems to be geared pretty tall.

    By comparison our '05 Matrix XRS (rocket sled) is doing 3000 rpm @ 70mph, my '01 Audi A6 wagon is doing about 2,600-2,700.

    I think the large $$ savings of the '09 combined w/ not wanting to buy new technology will steer me to an '09 v. a '10 OB but I'm curious about this.

    Thanks,
    Jon
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