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2011 Hyundai Sonata

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  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    " The Sonata 2.0T Turbo will range from about $26,000 to just under $30,000 in Limited form, he says. "

    "Hyundai starts production of the new turbo version in September, with sales starting at the end of that month."

    Sweet. That's perfect. Thanks for posting the article!
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    $20,000, which rises to about $26,000 in the Limited edition. The Sonata 2.0T Turbo will range from about $26,000 to just under $30,000 in Limited form, he says.

    That's a little bit more than I had expected. That means that with Nav the Ltd turbo could be around 32k. Wow, that's a lot of money for a Sonata. I thought it would add maybe $2500 to $3000 to the price but it appears to be around $4k. I know you get a couple of extra bells and whistles with the turbo pkg but that is still a big jump. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    Oh I was assuming that 30k was with NAV. Hmm. So turbo, 18" wheels, paddle shifters, panoramic sunroof < 4k. Although I assume he's talking MSRP.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    That's the the way I take it. They mentioned that the current Ltd goes for $26k and I know that MSRP on the current Ltd with NAV is over $28k. So adding the NAV($2000) to the mentioned price of "just under $30k", which I assume is probably $29,995 or something like that, it would be around $32k. Like I said, a ton of money for a Sonata. It better be really something for that price. I know street prices will be lower but they are for just about any car and you're not seeing as much discount on the Sonata now.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    Yeah I definitely see what you're getting at. Still, 274 HP with 34 MPG at 3200 ish pounds of car, options and nice sheet metal, I can see it. It's become a case of getting more car for the same money instead of the same car for less money.

    I mean looking real quick at a 2010 Mazda 6 as an example. V6 with very similar HP and torque, you're hitting 33k MSRP and you're not getting near 34 MPG. Plus the Turbo would probably out equip it as well with a panoramic sunroof and paddle shifters, I dont think the 6 has those.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    You have to be careful with turbos though when you start talking mpg. If you put your foot into a turbo a lot you will not see anywhere near the mpg that the epa says. That's true on any engine but turbos suck gas when those little spinners get going. :) If the reports that come back are really good on the turbo, I may be looking at either the Sonata or Optima next spring.

    I agree with your analogy about getting more car for the same money though. Still will probably be a pretty good deal though.

    To my knowledge, the Mazda6 V6 gets the worst mpg in the class. I have an I4 Mazda6 and was kind of looking at the new one with the V6 until I saw those mpg numbers. The Mazda i4 is a good engine but a little underpowered compared to the field now but the v6 sucks gas so bad, the combo of those two things knocked the 6 off my list. However, I would put the handling of the 6 well above the Sonata and still slightly above the Fusion, Altima and Accord. I've heard the Sonata SE handles very well but it also has been ragged for riding harshly. The Mazda seems to be able to have both the handling prowess and the ride as well. Sonata will probably get there too but it's not quite there yet. It took Mazda a lot of years and a lot of racing to develop that suspension and steering system to what it is today.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    " The Mazda seems to be able to have both the handling prowess and the ride as well. Sonata will probably get there too but it's not quite there yet. It took Mazda a lot of years and a lot of racing to develop that suspension and steering system to what it is today. "

    This is my remaining area of concern with both the Optima and the Sonata. Turbo or not. Probably the main reason the Regal GS is still on my short list of cars to watch.
  • skdriverskdriver Posts: 9
    Just returned from a trip (Toronto to East Coast Canada) 4439 Km (2774 mi)
    Used 313 litres gas which equals an average of 7L / 100 Km (OR 40.4 mpg/ Can gal. OR 33.6 mpg /US gal.)
    Approx 20% driving on Expressway (120 kph or 75 mph) - 10 % city & 70% on country roads (80 kph or 50-60 mph- drove a lot of scenic roads through NY, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, New Brunswick & PEI). one section of road, 150 miles when my wife babied the gas pedal and held to the 50-55 speed limits & we averaged an unbelievable 5.6 L / 100 km (50.4 mpg /Can gal or 42 mpg/ US gal).
    The overall trip was great - good ride, only trouble was a couple of cases that the GPS froze, but restarting car cleared any problem (you know, if computer freezes, unplug it.) Probably something I had done wrong setting it.
    Had a lot of positive comments on the Limited, Venetian red w camel leather. Couldn't be happier with the car particularly the fuel economy - Why wait for the Hybrid ?
  • zornundozornundo Posts: 21
    $4,000 for a turbo model? When the previous gen sonata only added $2,000 for the V6. This doesn't make any sense!
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    edited June 2010
    The Sonata SE Turbo is supposed to start "under 25K" according to the Hyundai president during the webcast when it was introduced.. add the $750 destination fee and I would say more like $25,750 OTD for the Turbo SE and around $29K OTD for the Turbo Limited. Add the Nav to that for another few bucks and you'd be looking around $31K for it loaded.. still cheaper than almost any other loaded midsize
  • ins0mn1acins0mn1ac Posts: 4
    I just bought a 2011 Sonata GLS. The dealer offered me the HPP extended warranty for $1795. Is this too high ? I have had people post here that they got one for ~ $1200, but didn't clearly specify whether it was the Hyundai backed warranty or aftermarket.

    Also, can I buy the extended warranty later ? How much higher will the price be, let's say, if I buy after a year.

    Thanks,
    Sandy
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,253
    Not to mention the turbo models might include standard equipment that's optional or not available on other models.
  • ral2167ral2167 Posts: 642
    i can just see it now...turbo in small supply, high demand-- little discount. kinda like...equinox, and to some degree tucson. perhaps i'm off base here.
  • keyman2keyman2 Posts: 78
    Hi
    How do you unplug the GPS system?I didn't buy my car as of yet but planning to in Aug.Is there any pulling to left?noise?that's what I've been reading.I love the Sonata SE I just hope it will be a good car.Good luck with yours.
  • sb2002sb2002 Posts: 10
    Those interested in the 2011 Limited Sonata:

    I placed an order with my dealership on 4/23/10 to purchase a fully loaded Black on Black limited Sonata 2011. On 6/21/10 I finally received it. During that time the dealer offered me a grey limited fully loaded as well as a red one. However, I held out for the Black on Black.

    I am pleased to write that I could not be happier with this car. In this segment, I believe the hyundai 2011 sonata is hands down the winner. I am certain Honda & Toyota will update their Accord & Camry respectively to compete in the coming months and years, and I am sure they'll come with something worth looking at.

    However, the sonata is clearly the winner in 2010. From looks, gas mileage, cost and amenities, it is difficult to compete with the Sonata.

    All of this is personal preference, but this is a Hyundai blog, and I just want to share my thoughts on this.

    The navigation menu and blue tooth features are sweet. The voice activation for dozens of different items was an awesome unexpected surprise. (I am sure this is available on most nav systems - this is my first one).

    Already I have received comments about how the car looks like a lexus or a mercedes. The 400 Watt speaker system certainly brings an additional smile to your face during your drives to and from work.

    I have only driven 150 miles thus far, but I just wanted to post my thoughts. These limited models I am being told are extremely hard to come by. I was also told from the Dealer, because they are hard to find, it may be difficult to buy one under MRSP.

    In recap, this Hyundai owner has a big smile on his face, and looks forward to driving miles and miles with a shiny new stylish sedan with some kick [non-permissible content removed] amenities.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    edited June 2010
    $25,750 OTD for the Turbo SE and around $29K OTD for the Turbo Limited. Add the Nav to that for another few bucks and you'd be looking around $31K for it loaded..

    Don't know what you mean by OTD in this reference. Usually, OTD means price+tax, title, tags, dealer fee etc.

    Stand by my earlier statement. What you are quoting is many months old from the LA auto show. According to other poster Hyundai has just now come out and said the current models run from 20-26k and that the turbo models will run from 26k to just under 30k. So if the new Ltd turbo is just under 30k and you add NAV you have $32k MSRP. If sold at MSRP the OTD price would be substantially more than that in states where sales tax is charged. So a LTD turbo with NAV would probably be around 34k OTD if sold at full price and that is all we can go on right now. Street prices will vary but there will probably be little discounting for awhile.

    So as of this latest info, it appears that the turbo and associated other goodies include with it is going to run about 4k more.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Posts: 2,240
    That is very pricey for an extended warranty that will not kick in until the mfg warranty expires. And you can also get ext warranties from reputable credit unions (find out which credit unions in your area work with your dealer).

    Typically, an extended warranty can be purchased at any time while the mfg warranty is in effect. So no, you don't have to buy it on day one.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    Congrats on the new car! I think the Sonata looks especially good in black. Definitely a head turner.

    What did you replace and how is the power and ride compared with your old car?
  • sb2002sb2002 Posts: 10
    I had a 2002 Hyundai Sonata, black on black. It was good to me over the last 8.5 years. I bought it new and kept it through about 120,000 miles. The new Sonata was hard to pass up on.

    My previous Sonata had a V6 with approximately 180 hp. The 2011 Sonata has a 4 cylinder but 200 hp.

    First, the cabin in the new Sonata is much nicer and quieter than the 2002, even though the engine is slightly louder. But the ride is much smoother, quieter and more powerful.

    Not sure how many have kept with the Sonata. I am certainly pleased with upgraded model.

    Let me know if you have any other questions.
  • skdriverskdriver Posts: 9
    I don't think you can unplug the GPS - It works well. I think my problems were created by myself not being used to the system, (I had a TomTom GPS before).
    My car does not have any strange noises and does not seem to pull to the left or right. I have tried this at different speeds since reading about on this forum.

    With all my experience with Hyundai/Kia there have been very few problems, This goes back over 6 vehicles.
    Good luck in buying in Aug, What color do you plan to get?
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    edited June 2010
    ok, I didn't mean out the door, what I meant to say was "MSRP+Destination".. it's about $2000 more than the non-turbo.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    edited June 2010
    I think 26k (MSRP+destination currently for a Ltd) to "just below 30k" (don't know if that includes destination or not) is about $4k where I learned math. Please explain if I'm drastically missing something. I guess it could be your definition of "just below 30k" is completely different then mine. Usually when I hear that I think $29,900 or something close. Maybe you think it's closer to $28k and that would explain why you keep saying it's only $2000 more. Guess we'll just have to wait and see the actual pricing is going to be.
  • zornundozornundo Posts: 21
    ha! feeling confused yet? ;)

    Hyundai shouldn't need to pack on any more goodies to the Limited trim by just adding Turbo. They only need Limited trim and just add the turbo, period. If that option is more than $2,000 msrp, then that is too much, especially when only adding the V6 only added $2,000 msrp to the previous gen Sonata. What else would they need to add with turbo? Too much and then they will start pricing themselves out of the segment.

    Oh, I spoke to my brother yesterday. He is an engineer at the plant in Montgomery. He was gloating over driving a new turbo model around the plant. Only around the plant and not outside for a full-throttle run. I'm sure he'll brag the first chance he gets when he gets to take one outside for a test.
  • zornundozornundo Posts: 21
    Glad you like your black on black! We just purchased a red limited. Took a while to find one in the local area. Many limiteds at the various dealers would sell really quick. I am surprised this one lasted three weeks on the dealer lot. I was able to use the employee purchase and the dealer was none too happy in selling it, but they had no choice, because the dealership participates in that program.

    I already drive a 2009 GLS I4 and have over 58,000 miles with no problems. I am very pleased with it. The wife is getting the new limited. Maybe I'll drive it every now and then. I was very pleased when I first test-drove the new limited and that has not changed today after driving it a good 60-plus miles home from the dealership.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    Too much and then they will start pricing themselves out of the segment.

    That's kind of where I was going with the price with getting up around $32k MSRP. I don't think they'll price themselves out of the segment but at the very top end of the segment you start crossing paths with discounted luxury brands.

    They already announced that the turbo package for the Ltd would include several additons like panorama sunroof, dual exhaust and a couple of other things that I can't think of right now. They announced it a couple of months ago. Also adding some stuff to the SE turbo package but I can't recall those either. I'm sure somebody.else here has the answer.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    Yes the non-turbo SE is $23,595 (I believe) and the Limited is like $26,000 including MSRP and destination. The Turbo SE is said to be under $25K (not including destination, I'm sure) meaning at most $25,699 - about $2000 more than the non-turbo variant of the same car. The Limited w/turbo I expect will be about $28K - also around $2000 more than the non-turbo Limited. If you add the nav package to that, it will likely top out somewhere in the very low 30's.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    edited June 2010
    The Sonata turbo won't be much more expensive than standard Sonatas, he notes. The new Sonata carries a base price of about $20,000, which rises to about $26,000 in the Limited edition. The Sonata 2.0T Turbo will range from about $26,000 to just under $30,000 in Limited form, he says.

    The above was from a quote from Krafcik. From 26k to "just under 30k" is about $$4000 more for the turbo limited or am I reading this wrong? I'm not just guessing, it is based on a statement from the Hyundai US president.

    The Turbo SE is said to be under $25K

    And who is saying that??
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    According to Hyundai, its new 274-horsepower 2.0-liter turbocharged engine for the 2011 Sonata sedan is going to be a real gem. To wit, the Korean automaker says the boosted-four will propel its midsize sedan to 60 miles per hour in just 6.5 seconds.

    Above copied from autoblog.com. Serious speed noted here if it turns out to be true.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    Why?? The previous generation with a V-6 got there (0-60) in a bit more time with less hp so why would a more powerful car not be able to do this?? Or are you commenting on the whole package meaning good fuel economy coupled with great performance? Good fuel economy is also entirely possible if driven in a rational way most of the time. I believe a current Corvette is capable of getting to 100 (mph)before most cars get to 60 and still get in the middle 20's (mpg) on the highway. Ain't technology great!!!
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