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2011 Hyundai Sonata

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  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    The prices that I have are based on Krafcik's information he provided during the Turbo/Hybrid Sonata webcast, which I was watching live. If the figures you gave are true, they have raised the price since the spring because he specifically said the turbo SE would be under $25K... I don't know if it'd be worth an extra $4k if the turbo is only shaving off one second from the 0-60 time. I am not just making those numbers up though.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    Honestly I am a bit disappointed if these numbers are true. They are likely a result of Hyundai tweaking the engines to maintain fuel economy rather than increase performance - probably a good sales strategy but it'd be nice to see a Sonata SE turbo doing 0-60 in 5.5 seconds.. that would be a true performance sedan value at that price.
  • jerryk33jerryk33 Posts: 6
    Clearly I and certain others would have a strong interest hearing from owners of the 2011 Sonata about their DRIVING experiences! (1) Quiet Ride? (2) Highway and City Driving (3) Performance - i.e. HP solid enough without Turbo OR should u wait for the turbo? (4) Suspension? (5) Dealer experiences? (6) Warranty problems (if any)?

    If the vast majority on this forum are interested in the potential purchase of this vehicle then PLEASE let us know what your experience is with the 2011 Sonata!!
    Thanks
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,966
    I actually like that you can have your cake and eat it too. Nice power and great mpg what with the oil situation and the prospect of vastly higher gas prices. If the turbo did get into the 5.5 range it would effect mpg and drive it down to the mid 20s. The car I would be interested in would be the limited turbo but it's getting a little pricey if the latest info is correct. I actually hope you're right but the $2000 more but I think they are going to try and make some good margin off the Limited Turbo package. But then where else can you get that kind of combination of power/mpg? The Mazda6 has about that HP but only gets 25mpg hwy which really stinks. The Fusion is just a hair better.

    The other thing about having the Sonata being classed as a sport sedan is the suspension/steering. I don't think they are there yet. They probably will get there but I think that is where they could show some improvement.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    I think we'll just have to wait for clarification on those numbers. After all, the article that came from has the title: "2011 Hyundai Sonata Turbo: 274 HP, $25K"

    25k, not 26k. You also have to factor in that "turbo" can mean SE turbo or Limited Turbo. So yes 4k from a SE turbo to a Limited Turbo with everything I suppose is right.

    Finally, it's not just the turbo you get. You're also getting, in the limited anyway:

    "a panoramic sunroof, 18-inch "hyper" silver alloy wheels, dual exhaust system and steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters."

    Limited Turbo
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    Thanks for the answers that helps me a lot. One last question... how is it keeping the black clean? Does it look dirty 10 seconds after washing it?
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,966
    If you read my posts you would have seen that I know you get more bells and whistles than just the turbo. I was just going by Krafciks latest quote that the prices of the turbo models will be from $26k to just under $30k. What the article might be named is irrelevant. And I was specifically talking about the Limited as that is what I would be interested in. If it's $26k now(which it is) and Krafcik says it will come in "just under $30k" for the turbo model then I would say that's about $4000. What's so hard to understand about that?

    I was not comparing the price of an SE to a Limited.
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    If you haven't already, you can click on the 2011 Hyundai Sonata reviews link at right for lots of driving impressions.

    Here's a new blurb and movie clip by Consumer Reports. They seem to like the car a lot.

    http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2010/06/test-complete-2011-hyundai-sonata.- html
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    The suspension could use some improvement to really be classified as a sports sedan (a-la the G37) but that being said the handling on the SE is sporty and body lean is very minimal compared to the Accord and Malibu and much more akin to the Mazda6 or Fusion. The electric assisted steering takes a bit of getting used to but it gives decent feedback.. I think the handling will also improve quite a bit once I swap the tires for something more performance oriented.
  • podpod Posts: 176
    I recently had a 24 hour test drive of a new 2010 Sonata I-4 GLS as a replacement for my ten year old Mercury Sable. I very much liked the size and appointments of the car. It is truly midsized, in a good way. I had a few minor quibbles about the AC and heat controls, the inability to dim the dashlights completely at night, etc. but they were truly minor and would not influence my purchase decision. I would have bought the car (out the door for $19.9 everything included) but after driving it on local roads and highways I couldn't get used to the NVH. The most disappointing aspect was the rear suspension---it sounded and felt very loose and fidgety over minor road blemishes. The sounds conjured up a picture of the rear suspension bouncing all over the place and expected to hear a stabilizer bar or tie rod fly off. The rear end in the car is light and that may be an issue. The front didn't seem as loud or loose probably because of the weight of the engine loading the system to a proper balance. I felt there was no sound insulation at all. In any case it led me to pass on the purchase.

    I believe the 2011 Sonata is a complete redesign and rebuild and wondered if recent owners would comment on the suspension and NVH. My Sable with 143k on the odometer and with two broken rear coil springs and (no doubt) wasted struts still gives a more compliant ride and feels more settled than the 2010 GLS.

    The dealer told me that all the foreign midsized cars are suspended relatively loosely and that domestics are tuned to be quiet and absorb the high frequency noise and vibrations.

    I would appreciate opinions from new owners about the suspension characteristics of their 2011 Sonatas. I appreciate that the SE is purposely "sporty" so I am inquiring about the 2011 GLS and Limited.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    I know, I'm not trying to be adversarial, sorry if it came out that way. What I'm saying is Krafcik was unclear, or the article was. Here's the relevant text:

    The Sonata turbo won't be much more expensive than standard Sonatas, he notes. The new Sonata carries a base price of about $20,000, which rises to about $26,000 in the Limited edition. The Sonata 2.0T Turbo will range from about $26,000 to just under $30,000 in Limited form, he says.

    What I'm saying is Turbo comes in 2 flavors, SE and Limited. As far as I know anyway. So I'm guessing that last sentence could mean "The Sonata 2.0T Turbo will range from about $26,000 in SE trim with no Nav, to just under 30,000 in Limited form, he says"

    I could be wrong, I'm just theorizing.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,966
    edited June 2010
    Sorry for the curt reply as well. You have it exactly. About $26 for the SE Turbo model and just under $30 for the Turbo Limited. For the Limited, that is about $4000 more than what it is now without NAV.

    Now, add NAV to the turbo Limited and you're pushing $32k before TTL. That's more than the G25 is going to be and the Regal CXL with the 225hp engine. Realize both are not direct competitors and the hp/mpg isn't as strong but they are both going to be very nice automobiles and will compete in my world.
  • When the car sits in my office parking lot during work, it heats up quite a bit and after 10 hours, I notice the lettering and numbering is a faint shadow of its former self. Is this defective or normal for the type of technology.

    Thanks
    Craig
  • topjctopjc Posts: 1
    I have experienced the same thing. I will be going to the dealer in the next two weeks for my first oil change and will inquire about this.

    The clock looks to be the same technology but is not affected the same way.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    Gotcha. Well the only thing I can hope is that under 30k is MSRP and includes Navigation. If that's the case it puts it 1000.00 under competition like the V6 Accord, which sounds about right. I guess we will see soon enough.
  • ral2167ral2167 Posts: 642
    Yes thats normal-- I have a radio shack digital preset radio-- when it's out in the sun the digital screen lettering will fade-- it comes right back once it's out of the sun. nothing to worry about. if you can fabricate some kind of cover to put over the radio while it sits, then problem solved.
  • 99accent99accent Posts: 232
    door handles chipping on sonata ,is there a recall on this problem ,I have been touching up the plastic handle outer covers for 9 years now , is there a recall on these handles for a 2001 sonata
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Is this on the 2011 Sonata, or the 2001? I've seen chipping on painted plastic handles on several of my cars, and they weren't nearly 10 years old. Next time, you might want to get a car with chromed handles, e.g. Sonata Limited, and avoid the problem altogether.
  • moontrainmoontrain Posts: 83
    I have a Black Plum Limited. The color is great,sometimes it looks black and sometimes it looks Plum. The problem is that it shows all the dust, but I love dark color cars. You will have the same problem with the dark blue and the red. I keep a california duster in the trunk.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Posts: 2,240
    It is the nature of an lcd to fade from heat. Today's panels are much better than the first LCDs produced. I remember watches that if left in the sun for over a half hour would turn completely black and would have to be cooled down to be readable.
  • poodog13poodog13 Posts: 320
    A fully loaded Maxima is available at that price in some areas. Better suspension, more HP, but less warranty.
  • jsmit86jsmit86 Posts: 116
    A fully loaded Maxima 3.5 SV with Premium and Tech package is $39,420. That's a pretty far cry from 33K. I have yet to see $6K off sticker for a Maxima unless it was a demo or a previous year.
  • amoviefan1amoviefan1 Posts: 24
    edited June 2010
    Here is my guess on the pricing for this car (and it's ONLY a guess):

    Current 2011 Limited (no Turbo) w/OUT NAV: $26,015

    Current 2011 Limited (no Turbo) WITH NAV: $28,115

    If Hyundai adds as much as $3000 (I'm hoping for only $2000) for the turbo upgrade, that would mean...

    NEW 2011 Limited TURBO w/OUT NAV: $29,015

    NEW 2011 Limited TURBO WITH NAV: $31,115

    These are full sticker prices.

    One competitor: 2010 Honda Accord Sedan EX-L V6:
    NO NAV: $29,580
    With NAV: $31,855

    This means Hyundai's pricing would be right in line with Honda.

    Thoughts?

    Thanks.
  • meikmeik Posts: 63
    I doubt it in general. But, "in some areas", sure what could not be possible? ;)
    Dealer's internet price for a fully loaded new 2010 Azera was 27K in my area when I bought my Sonata.
  • meikmeik Posts: 63
    If I remember correctly, Limited Turbo will come with some more things like a back-up sensor, hid, heated & ventilated front seats.
    So you need to add $476 for a backup camera and $513 for a backup sensor.

    Limited Turbo : $31,115 (if Hyundai adds only $3,000 for the turbo & other add-on upgrade)
    vs
    Accord : $32,843 (if their price on new 2011 model stay the same)
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    I posted this in the Midsize section but Kia has a configuration tool for their new Optima, I'm guessing the pricing will be similar: Optima Configuration tool
  • schdyschdy Posts: 233
    You can't compare a Turbo to a V6. Performance of the present 4cyl Sonata is comparable to the Honda v6. So compare the 4cyl Limited @ $25k to the Honda @ $31k.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    Why cant you compare the turbo to the V6? Sonata's turbo is their solution to a more powerful car, they substituted the turbo for a V6 so they could get better gas mileage, a lighter weight and the same power/torque. It's directly comparable to the Honda V6.
  • alookmanalookman Posts: 141
    How can you compare a car that has not even been released? I love the new 2011 Sonata as a great value, but their engine technology is not close to Honda's. The 2010 Accord V6 is smooth as silk and has valve mgt. system that shuts of 2 or 3 valve and its an engineering marvel. Except VW most turbos are not smoother than V6s but do provide more for less!
  • alookmanalookman Posts: 141
    I have driven 2011 Sonata GLS/SE 198 HP and its nice car very similar to Accord EX 4cyl with 190HP. Its engine is not even close to Accord V6 at 264 HP. My 03 V^6Accord produces smooth silky 243 HP. 2010 Accord V6 is a great solid engine. Honda is way ahead of other Asian giants in engine technology and HYUNDAI IS NOT EVEN CLOSE! Only Nissan's 3.5 V6 is as good.
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