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2011 Hyundai Sonata

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  • poodog13poodog13 Posts: 320
    I definitely consider resale value as part of my buying process, along with purchase price, MPG, reliability, warranty, and expected maintenance costs. It all figures in to the total cost of ownership and can result in a $20,000 car actually being more expensive than a $23,000 car at the end of the day.

    I also have never forgotten my wife's birthday, and in 5 years of marriage have never once been yelled at for leaving the seat up.
  • I drove by a Hyundai dealership (Tuttle Click) here in Southern California after getting some stuff done on my Mazda6 but it seems like they still don't have it. They got plenty of Genesis but no Sonata. I find this to be very strange. Dealers from NC seems to have them in stock but no CA?

    Oh well...maybe this means a good deal on a Genesis at the end of the year if they can't move them.
  • LASHAWNLASHAWN Posts: 303
    Does anyone know when the turbo model will come out? I've heard probably before the year is out or next spring.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,700
    I definitely consider resale value as part of my buying process

    Personally I never consider resale value when considering a car. Personally the two things I look at first are if I like the car and does it fit ny needs for the foreseeable future.

    As an accountant I would actually advise against considering resale value. The reason why is that there is a certain level of irony in using resale value in determining if you will buy a car. Considering resale value means that you have plans in selling the car after a certain number of years so you can recoup more of your initial investment when you buy a new car. However if you truly want to be fiscally prudent you would hold onto the car until it was just about run into the ground. Keeping one car 12 years is much less expensive than buying 3 or 4 cars over that time frame.

    So basically if you keep a car for 10-15 years and put on 150-200K miles than resale value is practically meaningless.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • pyehpyeh Posts: 3
    its been out, now lets find what people are paying and what they are getting for trade. i would like the se or limited and have been quoted msrp. i also have 2003 santa fe with 115000 to trade. any answers
  • hi, I found out at the plant tour a turbo model is in the
    plans to be out in the fall, not sure of HP they said it
    wasn't decided yet, he also said the V6 shop is still
    open and anything is possible, Plant tour was awesome!!!
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,278
    I am still amazed that 200 HP in a mid size car (and one that is not particulary overwieght) is not considered to be too little.

    Considering millions of accord/camry/malibu/etc. buyers over the years have done just fine with way less than that, I think it should be able to get out of it's own way.

    ANd isn't the take rate on the V6 on the CamCord only in the 10% range?

    SO I don't think it will hold sales back any, and the Turbo should be a nice compromise for the minority that just needs more HP.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • The GLS and the Limited will wear Kumho tires and the SE will wear Hankook tires. The Hankook tires can be replaced for $155 ea. and the Kumho's for about $145 ea. I haven heard much about handling in snow but I live in the northeastern Ca. mountains and with all the safety features in handling and braking and the fact the Sonata is front wheel drive, I believe it will handle very nicely in snow and on ice.
  • mattydmattyd Posts: 21
    "Does anyone know when the turbo model will come out? I've heard probably before the year is out or next spring."

    Here in Canada it looks like the turbo and hybrid are arriving this year.

    http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posteddriving/archive/2010/02/10/toront- o-auto-show-starts-friday.aspx
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,954
    A few people saw a video that showed a race between a Camry and a Sonata and the Camry looked like the Camry was ahead for a few seconds and that got the boy racers panties in a twist. I say looked because it looks different from different angles/different videos. I would say if that is what is most important to them then they probably should be looking at a different class of cars.

    You're right about the take rate on the V6, somewhere between 10-15%, closer to 10% I believe. Will Hyundai lose all of those V6 buyers? I doubt it. A lot, if they like Hyundai period, will opt for turbo when it becomes available. Some will probably think that 198/200 hp is adequate after all. They may lose the rest which I think is a very small number considering they are really trying to ensure they remain the "leading mpg car manufacturer in the US". No trucks helps that claim to a large degree in my opinion.
  • hhr06hhr06 Posts: 47
    PLENTY OF SONATA'S HERE IN CENTRAL FLORIDA. SAW A GLS YESTERDAY WITH A 2 TONE INTERIOR IT WAS OUT STANDING. TAN SEATS FRONT AND BACK. TAN AND BLACK TRIM ON DASH AND DOORS. SO CLOSE TO GETTING ONE BUT HAVE A 2007 MIATA COMING OFF LEASE IN JUNE. THIS IS HOLDING ME UP, ESPECIALLY WITH HYUNDAI $199@MONTH LEASE.FOR 36MONTHS THIS DEALERSHIP HAD 4 LIMITEDS . LOADED CAR FOR FOR 26500.ONLY OPTION IS NAVAGATION
  • hhr06hhr06 Posts: 47
    A LOT OF CAR FOR THE MONEY ESPECIALLY WITH THE WARRENTY.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,954
    Please don't post in all caps. It insinuates you're shouting and is hard to read.
  • Wow thats great news! No suspension noise would be a godsend. I'm really excited to see the new 2011's. I know I will take a hit on my 2009 if I trade it already, but it might be worth it to me. I only have 12,000 on it so plenty of warranty left.
  • sgk09sgk09 Posts: 3
    Good specs, well ahead of competition, aggressive pricing and options.

    Most people look for safety, economy, handling, finish, price, comfort in a family sedan. Very few care I4/v6,0-60 etc.(most family sedans are I4 in 15- 30k range)

    Old days v8 was in huge size and heavy, v6 replaced with better power and less weight, now I4 will take over to give way to Turbo in future.

    With reduction in weight, new engine technology and 6 speed box, 2011 Sonata has reduce gap between I4-v6 and improved fuel economy guess very few family guys will notice any change in acceleration, lane changing.

    I have been a long pro-[non-permissible content removed] guy and have loved Honda, Subaru of the lot till 2006, when I was in market for a car, Honda snobs pushed me to a new Sonata 06 LX loaded. I save 5K upfront and had more features like ESC. I am glad I changed. Love the car, Shiftronic stick.

    Regarding resale price, I know, I saved upfront for a better car with great warranty, peace of mind. I normally do not change with models, so what I get few years down the road is not a major issue but if the Hyundai stay course, it will improved a lot, considering recent Toyota/Honda problems.

    I know first year model have teething problems but now Hyundai is well learnt from past mistake and put my trust in 2006 and do not regret. Not any problem so far except ESC recall and washer pump which they took care very well at my time.
    I am in market to add another car in stable but wait a while for better rebate when dust settles in couple of months.

    I had driven Honda EX I4, even though Honda engines are smooth, it made lot of noise in aggressive driving at higher rev. How this Sonata engine is? Has anyone got a test? I yet to see one and test drive.

    I wish Hyundai has split options like Nav/Sun roof. New solid state Nav should be trouble free.

    Keep experience comments flowing......Happy Hyundaing....... :)
  • Does anyone know if they plan on receiving any Pearl White 2011 Sonata Limited in Broward County in the near future, because I'm getting anxious about buying one.?
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,278
    good point about the packaging. As someone that requires a moonroof, but has no desire to pay for a nav, the $2,600 package is a tad excessive.

    I imagine that is just for the rollout though. Otherwise they will lose some sales over it.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    That link in # 371 is causing messages to be
    chopped off on my monitor.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,954
    Check the text size in your browser. If using Internet Explorer go to View, Text Size and then chose "larger" or "medium". Should fix.
  • The Lexus IS 250 had 184lb ft of torque out of a V6 motor.Easy to get to 40k on that car. Thats' pretty paltry in todays market.

    The V6 market on all Camrys and Accords is thin. Most people are price shoppers and they opt for the 4cyl.

    4 cyl motors are the future with Turbo's. Audi makes 258lb ft od torque out of a 2 litre Turbo 4. Why have a 6 when a 4 is so close and 2-3 MPG better. I'd take a turbo 4 with high torque over a V6 anyday in a smaller car like the Sonata.
  • chronochrono Posts: 149
    edited February 2010
    Alot of companies are moving in this direction. Look at Ford. They putting turbo's in just about all their cars and trucks with the EcoBoost. I think BMW is even using more turbos ..
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    edited February 2010
    I currently own a 2004 Sonata V6 that only makes 170 HP and 181 lb. torque, which believe it or not feels really fast in that little car. I put an air intake into it, bumping it to about 180hp/190 torque or so.

    Considering the new Sonata is so lightweight (not 3500 lbs. like the 2010 V6) I expect the 200 HP I4 to move plenty fast. Believe me, I test drove the 2010 Sonata V6 SE and it just didn't feel like it had the same punch when you hit the gas pedal as even my 2004 does, mostly thanks to the added weight of that car. My girlfriend agreed also. The 2010 V6 does 0-60 in a little over 7 seconds, which I expect the new Sonata can almost match even with the smaller engine.

    The turbo is going to be awesome, but I am wondering what they will cost. If they add $2000 to the SE that means you are up to almost $25,500 with the destination charge.. still a good deal if they crank out enough horsepower to beat the next generation of V6 competition like Accord and Camry. Maybe we can pray for something really high like 290?
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    m6user,

    Thanks for the tip.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,954
    Maybe we can pray for something really high like 290?

    Don't know who you're praying to but I highly doubt it will be anywhere close to 290. Maybe 260ish but probably closer to 250. Remember, the name of the game going forward is called CAFE. Hyundai is leading the pack at this point and wants to stay ahead. They aren't making a race car here, it is a family sedan. If all they wanted to do was make the Sonata go fast, they have engines that would do the job. But that would suck gas and that is not the direction they are heading.
  • John Krafcik clearly stated that the turbo will have over 249hp in his interview. i'm guessing 260-270hp rang .
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExCC_kcQ2bE

    it looks much better in person. ya'll need to go check it out. i was amazed. This destroys Camry, Accord, Altima, and fusion. I do have soft spot for Malibu, but i gotta admit Sonata is better looking.
  • ay50ay50 Posts: 11
    Just a reality check on your seat of the pants comparison between your 2004 Sonata V6 and a 2010 Sonata V6 SE. Car and Driver rated a 2009 SE at 6.9 seconds for 0-60 mph while Consumer Guide lists the 2004 V6 at 8.7 seconds for 0-60 so there's really no comparison between the two. It's also not surprising considering the 249 to 170 hp difference.

    One final point, I can understand all the excitement over the new engines coming out for the 2011 Sonata but don't forget that the V6 is IMO a darn good engine in its own right.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    edited February 2010
    Oh don't misunderstand, I know the 2010 V6 is definiately faster than the 2004. I'm just saying that the extra weight was definitely evident under acceleration. The 2010 felt more like a Buick than a Mazda 6. And on my 2004 the air intake was a big improvement, I was doing 0-60 in 8 seconds flat when the car wasn't so old.

    I'm just saying that the direction of the new Sonata is a winning combination in any car - more HP and more importantly less weight. If I wanted maxium HP regardless of weight, I'd just buy a semi. 1000+ HP, damn they must fly! Oh wait it's 15 tons.
  • I had the 04 V6 Sonata and a now new 09 V6 Limited. There is a great difference in pickup between the two cars. The 04 was a good little car but not in the same class as the 249 HP V6, even with weight considerations ( if I recall correctly, the 04 Sonata weighed around 3250 lbs , so it was not exatcly a lightweight)
  • poodog13poodog13 Posts: 320
    As an accountant I would actually advise against considering resale value. The reason why is that there is a certain level of irony in using resale value in determining if you will buy a car. Considering resale value means that you have plans in selling the car after a certain number of years so you can recoup more of your initial investment when you buy a new car. However if you truly want to be fiscally prudent you would hold onto the car until it was just about run into the ground. Keeping one car 12 years is much less expensive than buying 3 or 4 cars over that time frame.

    First, let's not compare an accountant with a financial advisor, that credential is entirely irrelevant to this conversation. Secondly, while it is indisputable that owning a car until the repair costs exceed the costs of replacement maximizes the benefit of your investment, it's also fairly uncommon. It would be terrible financial advice to tell someone who knows with relative certainty that they will only own the car for a certain number of years that to use decision criteria that does not follow their expected future behavior.

    This would be akin to telling someone in their early sixties that they should have all of their retirement funds in equities (historically high return compared to other asset classes) even though they are retiring in a few years and would be at great risk for significant losses within that timeframe.

    Don't throw out a credential as support for a faulty arguement.
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