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2011 Hyundai Sonata

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  • tuckerdogtuckerdog Posts: 29
    I'm not saying people are lying, although a few may be exaggerating, but claims of over 35 mpg at 75 mph-80 mph seem to be well above even the EPA's less stringent than real world (i.e. on a dynometer) testing.

    What would be the point of lying or exaggerating? Just telling you what I got.

    Tuckerdog1
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    edited May 2010
    Since I have personally seen 37 mpg average on a 2008 Milan I4 at 65 mph highway + in-town driving, which is far above its EPA rating, and I routinely get ~20% over EPA ratings on all of my cars (including the 2 Hyundais), I don't have any reason to doubt a reported 35 mpg on a highway trip. I think the 2011 Sonata's 6AT plus low coefficient of drag will be a big help in such conditions. I can't wait to take one for a long drive myself. I have been looking for 2011 Sonatas when I rent cars, but I haven't seen any yet. I wouldn't be surprised if Hyundai is putting very few of these into fleets right now, given they are selling so well.

    Didn't you say you took the 2011 Sonata for at test drive? If so, what mpg did you achieve on that drive (if you checked fuel economy)?
  • but claims of over 35 mpg at 75 mph-80 mph seem to be well above even the EPA's less stringent than real world

    35 might be a stretch but there were a couple of posters claiming in the 40's. That is hybrid territory... ;)
  • mikemartinmikemartin Posts: 205
    Thanks ryster, tuckerdog, backy and classiccarguy, for all your responses.

    Backy, when I took a 2011 Sonata for two test drives, I didn't really focus on fuel economy because I was more focused on acceleration, engine noise, road noise, braking and handling.

    It was impossible for me to give a fair assessment of fuel economy under those conditions because I was driving in a manner that differed from what a routine, day-to-day, conscious of fuel economy type of driving routine.
  • mikemartinmikemartin Posts: 205
    To any of you who have driven the new 2011 Sonata NON-SE model, AND have also driven the new Mazda 6 and/or Accord, can you please tell whether you think this assessment by Edmund's Inside Line is accurate, somewhat accurate or not accurate:

    Ride Is a Bit Underdone, Too

    Of course, then you hit a bump and the suspension gets out of sorts. Maybe it's just the lumpy back road, but later you're on the freeway, and there's still too much movement over garden-variety seams and ruts. The damping just isn't quite right on our GLS tester. Ride quality feels less solid and sophisticated than on rivals like the Mazda 6 and Honda Accord.


    Here is the link to the Edmund's Inside Line review: http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/sonata/2011/2011-hyundai-sonata-full-test.html-

    Ride quality and solidity is really important to me, so I really appreciate any comments you may have on this.

    Thank you very much.
  • ej2010ej2010 Posts: 12
    Can not comment about Mazda, I but test drove Sonata GLS Auto and Accord LX Auto back to back and felt Accord rides better than Sonata.
    Using online quotes I got Accord LX-P just $300 above comparable Sonata. So picked Accord. (My car is getting 35 mpg on highway)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    OK. When I drive a car that I am seriously considering, I drive it for at least a few miles on a highway after I reset the mpg meter, just to see what it does driving steadily at highway speeds. Not much of a test, but something. Also I like to get "seat time" in a rental before I buy a car, if possible, so I know what it's like to live with a car for a few days before I buy it.

    You might go back to earlier in this discussion where all the links to professional reviews were posted. Some of those mentioned fuel economy. And some were from a contest Hyundai sponsored, where it challenged the testers to see what kind of FE they could get--which is counter to the way most car mags typically test a car, which is full-out without much regard for fuel economy.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    Since ride quality is "really important" to you, I strongly recommend you take the Sonata GLS or Limited (whichever your fave is), the Mazda6, and the Accord on back-to-back-to-back test drives over the same course, or as close to it as you can get. Assuming you have narrowed down your search to those 3 cars. The course should include a variety of road conditions. I have such a course mapped out a few miles from my home. Fortunately, it's also just a few miles from about 15 dealerships. :)

    That's really the only way you'll know for sure which car's ride you prefer. Reviewers are all over the map on that. Some will say it's fine, others will complain. Everyone's taste is different. You are the one buying the car.
  • mikemartinmikemartin Posts: 205
    Backy and ej2010:

    I test drove a GLS and Limited Sonata (both 2011s).

    I found the ride quality pretty nice, actually, over the roads I drove it on.

    I did test drive the Mazda 6, too, iTouring, and found that car ride nice also, and a little bit more Germanic in feel, though I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

    So, Backy, no, I did not drive them over the same exact roads, which is a good point.

    I also have not driven the new model of the Accord, EJ, so I can't comment on that.

    I wish there was a way to drive a car for a week or so to ensure that we really like the ride over the types of roads and under the conditions we experience everyday, because I will never forget the one time I purchases a GM product about 12 years ago that seemed to drive fine on an extended test drive, but whose ride I grew to detest within a short time thereafter.
  • rich27514rich27514 Posts: 41
    Thanks for the tip. I hadn't even tried them yet. Mine did stick, so the dealer ordered the part.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    That's why I like to rent the cars I am considering buying, if possible. Very hard to find those 3 as rentals, though (2011 Sonata, Mazda6, Accord).

    It's hard to compare the ride of two cars unless you drive them back to back, over similar roads. Since you haven't driven the Accord yet, that might be a good time to do it--drive the Accord first, then go back and drive the Mazda6i and the Sonata again. The differences should be more clear then. FWIW, I expect the Limited will have a bit firmer-feeling ride than the GLS, since the Limited has lower-profile tires. So you should drive the trim level you plan to buy--same for the Mazda6 and Accord.
  • rich27514rich27514 Posts: 41
    I consistently get 35mpg or more on the highway at 75. That's in the rolling hills of NC. I didn't believe it at first, but I have checked several trips. I now have 4000 miles on the car. The mileage was pretty much the same the first day I drove it. Mine is a Limited.
  • rich27514rich27514 Posts: 41
    I have no difficulty getting 40-42 if I stay at the 65mph speed limit. I had a Camry Hybrid and it didn't do that well on the highway.
  • rich27514rich27514 Posts: 41
    I did drive both the Mazda 6 and Accord EX for overnight test drives. I found the highway ride in both to be uncomfortable, especially in the Accord. Add the extra noise you hear in the Accord and Mazda, and I found the experience downright unpleasant. Both the Accord and the Mazda handled better on back roads. I preferred the Mazda in this respect. I found the seats in both the Accord and Mazda to be quite uncomfortable, with a hard lump in the middle of my back no matter how much I adjusted the lumbar. Both cars had leather seats. I also spent some time with a Camry, and I think the Sonata fits between the Camry and Accord/Mazda6 in terms of handling/ride comfort/quietness. I have owned an Audi A4 and BMW 3 series in the past. While those cars ride firmly, they are nonetheless very comfortable. Not so the Accord and Mazda, in my opinion.
  • rich27514rich27514 Posts: 41
    You are correct about the differences between the Limited and GLS rides. I bought a Limited and my sister bought a GLS for that very reason.
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Posts: 216
    The ride quality of my 2011 Limited is stellar. I have even gotten compliments from people who have ridden in my back seat going over rough roads on how nice it was.
  • I have no difficulty getting 40-42 if I stay at the 65mph speed limit.

    Right!!!!!!!!!!!.. If this was remotely true Hyundai would be shouting from the roof tops and banging on the drums you don't need a hybrid buy our 2011 Sonata and stay at at the 65 mph speed limit and you will receive 40 - 42 mpg and a small % of ownership in the Brooklyn Bridge in return.. :shades: .
  • xmechxmech Posts: 90
    In some cases, I wouldn't lay the blame on the car, but the tires. When I first got my Grand Cherokee, it had somewhat off-road tires on it. It never wandered when hitting those seams and ruts and such. When I replaced them with regular tires, it would wander around just from the water draining grooves in the highway. So I believe at least some of the cause is the tires.

    Similar deal with my wife's Tuscon. The original tires wore out in only 30K miles. They were noisy as .. well they were really noisy on the highway. Reasearched tirerack.com, and purchased a good choice from there, now it's nice and quiet.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,628
    If this was remotely true Hyundai would be shouting from the roof tops and banging on the drums...

    You must realize they can't do that. They have to stick to the EPA ratings in their advertising. But they can do things like, invite a bunch of editors of car mags to drive the Sonata, and encourage them to drive for high fuel economy. These editors write about it, so it's not advertising and it's all legal, but the idea gets out that the Sonata CAN do over 40 mpg in the right conditions.

    I believe someone could get 40-42 mpg at 65 mph under ideal conditions, including moderate weather and little headwind. As I mentioned earlier, I got 37 mpg @ 65 mph in a 2008 Milan rental that is EPA rated 28 mpg highway. So I did 32% better than the EPA highway rating. 40-42 mpg is only 15-20% better than the Sonata's EPA rating.

    Will everyone get fuel economy like that? Nope. Some people (like my DW) have the proverbial "lead foot" and haven't learned how to drive for optimal fuel economy... not hypermiling, just basic, simple techniques.
  • mikemartinmikemartin Posts: 205
    Thanks to everyone regarding the feedback on the ride quality.

    The issue of the GLS having a softer ride, which I tend to prefer over Michigan's terrible roads, makes perfect sense given that it does not have the low profile 17" wheels that the Limited comes with.

    I do now remember thinking that the Limited felt stiffer (but not at all uncomfortable) than the GLS I test drove.
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