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2011 Hyundai Sonata



  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    edited June 2010
    ok, I didn't mean out the door, what I meant to say was "MSRP+Destination".. it's about $2000 more than the non-turbo.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    edited June 2010
    I think 26k (MSRP+destination currently for a Ltd) to "just below 30k" (don't know if that includes destination or not) is about $4k where I learned math. Please explain if I'm drastically missing something. I guess it could be your definition of "just below 30k" is completely different then mine. Usually when I hear that I think $29,900 or something close. Maybe you think it's closer to $28k and that would explain why you keep saying it's only $2000 more. Guess we'll just have to wait and see the actual pricing is going to be.
  • zornundozornundo Posts: 21
    ha! feeling confused yet? ;)

    Hyundai shouldn't need to pack on any more goodies to the Limited trim by just adding Turbo. They only need Limited trim and just add the turbo, period. If that option is more than $2,000 msrp, then that is too much, especially when only adding the V6 only added $2,000 msrp to the previous gen Sonata. What else would they need to add with turbo? Too much and then they will start pricing themselves out of the segment.

    Oh, I spoke to my brother yesterday. He is an engineer at the plant in Montgomery. He was gloating over driving a new turbo model around the plant. Only around the plant and not outside for a full-throttle run. I'm sure he'll brag the first chance he gets when he gets to take one outside for a test.
  • zornundozornundo Posts: 21
    Glad you like your black on black! We just purchased a red limited. Took a while to find one in the local area. Many limiteds at the various dealers would sell really quick. I am surprised this one lasted three weeks on the dealer lot. I was able to use the employee purchase and the dealer was none too happy in selling it, but they had no choice, because the dealership participates in that program.

    I already drive a 2009 GLS I4 and have over 58,000 miles with no problems. I am very pleased with it. The wife is getting the new limited. Maybe I'll drive it every now and then. I was very pleased when I first test-drove the new limited and that has not changed today after driving it a good 60-plus miles home from the dealership.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    Too much and then they will start pricing themselves out of the segment.

    That's kind of where I was going with the price with getting up around $32k MSRP. I don't think they'll price themselves out of the segment but at the very top end of the segment you start crossing paths with discounted luxury brands.

    They already announced that the turbo package for the Ltd would include several additons like panorama sunroof, dual exhaust and a couple of other things that I can't think of right now. They announced it a couple of months ago. Also adding some stuff to the SE turbo package but I can't recall those either. I'm sure somebody.else here has the answer.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    Yes the non-turbo SE is $23,595 (I believe) and the Limited is like $26,000 including MSRP and destination. The Turbo SE is said to be under $25K (not including destination, I'm sure) meaning at most $25,699 - about $2000 more than the non-turbo variant of the same car. The Limited w/turbo I expect will be about $28K - also around $2000 more than the non-turbo Limited. If you add the nav package to that, it will likely top out somewhere in the very low 30's.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    edited June 2010
    The Sonata turbo won't be much more expensive than standard Sonatas, he notes. The new Sonata carries a base price of about $20,000, which rises to about $26,000 in the Limited edition. The Sonata 2.0T Turbo will range from about $26,000 to just under $30,000 in Limited form, he says.

    The above was from a quote from Krafcik. From 26k to "just under 30k" is about $$4000 more for the turbo limited or am I reading this wrong? I'm not just guessing, it is based on a statement from the Hyundai US president.

    The Turbo SE is said to be under $25K

    And who is saying that??
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    According to Hyundai, its new 274-horsepower 2.0-liter turbocharged engine for the 2011 Sonata sedan is going to be a real gem. To wit, the Korean automaker says the boosted-four will propel its midsize sedan to 60 miles per hour in just 6.5 seconds.

    Above copied from Serious speed noted here if it turns out to be true.
  • targettuningtargettuning Posts: 1,371
    Why?? The previous generation with a V-6 got there (0-60) in a bit more time with less hp so why would a more powerful car not be able to do this?? Or are you commenting on the whole package meaning good fuel economy coupled with great performance? Good fuel economy is also entirely possible if driven in a rational way most of the time. I believe a current Corvette is capable of getting to 100 (mph)before most cars get to 60 and still get in the middle 20's (mpg) on the highway. Ain't technology great!!!
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    The prices that I have are based on Krafcik's information he provided during the Turbo/Hybrid Sonata webcast, which I was watching live. If the figures you gave are true, they have raised the price since the spring because he specifically said the turbo SE would be under $25K... I don't know if it'd be worth an extra $4k if the turbo is only shaving off one second from the 0-60 time. I am not just making those numbers up though.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    Honestly I am a bit disappointed if these numbers are true. They are likely a result of Hyundai tweaking the engines to maintain fuel economy rather than increase performance - probably a good sales strategy but it'd be nice to see a Sonata SE turbo doing 0-60 in 5.5 seconds.. that would be a true performance sedan value at that price.
  • jerryk33jerryk33 Posts: 6
    Clearly I and certain others would have a strong interest hearing from owners of the 2011 Sonata about their DRIVING experiences! (1) Quiet Ride? (2) Highway and City Driving (3) Performance - i.e. HP solid enough without Turbo OR should u wait for the turbo? (4) Suspension? (5) Dealer experiences? (6) Warranty problems (if any)?

    If the vast majority on this forum are interested in the potential purchase of this vehicle then PLEASE let us know what your experience is with the 2011 Sonata!!
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    I actually like that you can have your cake and eat it too. Nice power and great mpg what with the oil situation and the prospect of vastly higher gas prices. If the turbo did get into the 5.5 range it would effect mpg and drive it down to the mid 20s. The car I would be interested in would be the limited turbo but it's getting a little pricey if the latest info is correct. I actually hope you're right but the $2000 more but I think they are going to try and make some good margin off the Limited Turbo package. But then where else can you get that kind of combination of power/mpg? The Mazda6 has about that HP but only gets 25mpg hwy which really stinks. The Fusion is just a hair better.

    The other thing about having the Sonata being classed as a sport sedan is the suspension/steering. I don't think they are there yet. They probably will get there but I think that is where they could show some improvement.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    I think we'll just have to wait for clarification on those numbers. After all, the article that came from has the title: "2011 Hyundai Sonata Turbo: 274 HP, $25K"

    25k, not 26k. You also have to factor in that "turbo" can mean SE turbo or Limited Turbo. So yes 4k from a SE turbo to a Limited Turbo with everything I suppose is right.

    Finally, it's not just the turbo you get. You're also getting, in the limited anyway:

    "a panoramic sunroof, 18-inch "hyper" silver alloy wheels, dual exhaust system and steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters."

    Limited Turbo
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    Thanks for the answers that helps me a lot. One last question... how is it keeping the black clean? Does it look dirty 10 seconds after washing it?
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    If you read my posts you would have seen that I know you get more bells and whistles than just the turbo. I was just going by Krafciks latest quote that the prices of the turbo models will be from $26k to just under $30k. What the article might be named is irrelevant. And I was specifically talking about the Limited as that is what I would be interested in. If it's $26k now(which it is) and Krafcik says it will come in "just under $30k" for the turbo model then I would say that's about $4000. What's so hard to understand about that?

    I was not comparing the price of an SE to a Limited.
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    If you haven't already, you can click on the 2011 Hyundai Sonata reviews link at right for lots of driving impressions.

    Here's a new blurb and movie clip by Consumer Reports. They seem to like the car a lot. html
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    The suspension could use some improvement to really be classified as a sports sedan (a-la the G37) but that being said the handling on the SE is sporty and body lean is very minimal compared to the Accord and Malibu and much more akin to the Mazda6 or Fusion. The electric assisted steering takes a bit of getting used to but it gives decent feedback.. I think the handling will also improve quite a bit once I swap the tires for something more performance oriented.
  • podpod Posts: 176
    I recently had a 24 hour test drive of a new 2010 Sonata I-4 GLS as a replacement for my ten year old Mercury Sable. I very much liked the size and appointments of the car. It is truly midsized, in a good way. I had a few minor quibbles about the AC and heat controls, the inability to dim the dashlights completely at night, etc. but they were truly minor and would not influence my purchase decision. I would have bought the car (out the door for $19.9 everything included) but after driving it on local roads and highways I couldn't get used to the NVH. The most disappointing aspect was the rear suspension---it sounded and felt very loose and fidgety over minor road blemishes. The sounds conjured up a picture of the rear suspension bouncing all over the place and expected to hear a stabilizer bar or tie rod fly off. The rear end in the car is light and that may be an issue. The front didn't seem as loud or loose probably because of the weight of the engine loading the system to a proper balance. I felt there was no sound insulation at all. In any case it led me to pass on the purchase.

    I believe the 2011 Sonata is a complete redesign and rebuild and wondered if recent owners would comment on the suspension and NVH. My Sable with 143k on the odometer and with two broken rear coil springs and (no doubt) wasted struts still gives a more compliant ride and feels more settled than the 2010 GLS.

    The dealer told me that all the foreign midsized cars are suspended relatively loosely and that domestics are tuned to be quiet and absorb the high frequency noise and vibrations.

    I would appreciate opinions from new owners about the suspension characteristics of their 2011 Sonatas. I appreciate that the SE is purposely "sporty" so I am inquiring about the 2011 GLS and Limited.
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