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2011 Hyundai Sonata

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  • I picked up a 2011 Sonata Limited + Nav today at Ed Voyles in Atlanta.

    Great deal on the lease, $50 over invoice including $500 loyalty cash (we leased a 2010 Genesis in November).

    We did have to wait a week to get it shipped from something they referred to as 'port'. Don't know what that is because the origin on the sticker was clearly Alabama.
  • shuale_ejsshuale_ejs Posts: 79
    edited February 2010
    Today, I leased a 2011 Limited w/nav. It's black with grey interior. I really wanted Silver w/black interior but the nearest one was in Chicago and would cost some extra $$$ to get here in Ohio.

    I'm not a fan of making a downpayment on a lease so I work on getting a good selling price. Here is my info:

    MSRP: $28,250
    Selling Price: $25,618
    Ad & Acq fees: $837
    Lease: 36mths/12k - $345/mth
  • We are looking at the pacific blue pearl, iridescent silver blue metallic , and the harbor gray metallic. We live about 200 miles from the nearest dealer and doing all our shopping on the internet so never get an actual look at the colors. Could you post a photo of your GLS in the Pacific Blue, pretty please.
  • Bought a Silver SE today, will take delivery by Wednesday hopefully since my dealer is doing a trade. Looking forward to really getting behind the wheel. Will post updates in the coming weeks. Ended up purchasing rather than leasing since I traded in a junker lease and got a great interest rate along with free TT&L.
  • mikemartinmikemartin Posts: 205
    edited February 2010
    Okay, yesterday (Saturday) I had a chance to check out and drive a 2011 Sonata GLS with the PEP.

    I will be brutally honest.

    ***Disclaimer - I do NOT know if Hyundai fixed the suspension Kthunk issue as the test drive near the dealer had all very smooth roads. I tried to find a bumpy or rough road but there simply were none.

    The exterior design is the best feature of the new Sonata but, as most things in life, there is a trade-off for that: a smaller backseat than the 2010 model.

    The interior looks very nice, but I found the door panel, door handle (interior) and some of the plastics and switchgear disappointing - but not necessarily in comparison to other cars in its price range; rather, in comparison to the 2010 model.

    I find that in the effort to reduce weight and manufacturing costs, Hyundai and almost all other brands (Toyota and Chrysler especially) are really using light weight, flimsy and sometimes very tacky materials for things like door pulls and console trim (can we please stop getting faux aluminum that is really poorly painted and cheap feeling plastic?).

    The 2011 Hyundai drove nicely, but not so much better than the 2010 version that it is noteworthy, IMO. The transmission had an annoying tendency to hang on too long before downshifting, and this is probably geared this way in the interest of fuel economy. Road noise was actually worse than the 2010 version, and the suspension was somewhat tauter with better damping.

    I did very much like the instruments and background and ambient lighting. Kudos to Hyundai for hitting the mark on color choices in this area.

    I found the main control for the heating/cooling gimicky.

    As with the Volkswagen CC, rear headroom suffers in the 2011 model. That's the price to be paid for the swoopy roof.

    The engine noise seemed well supressed and the engine note pleasant for a 4 banger.

    In summary, I would not pay MSRP or even a slightly discounted amount for this Sonata as I feel that once the novelty wears off, Hyundai will need to resort to higher subsidies and incentives in this most competitive of all car segments, especially at a time when many new models are going to be rolling out from competitors.

    This is only my opinion. The 2011 Hyundai is not a major, but rather an incremental, leap forward. The biggest pluses are the exterior design, the bump in horsepower using the 4 cylinder, the fuel economy (if EPA estimates turn out to be remotely close)

    If one likes a soft, quiet ride, the last generation actually might be a better fit. If one likes a more tied down, firmly damped suspension, with a sleek exterior, the 2011 makes the 2010 version dowdy by comparison.

    Finally, and this is not Hyundai specific, but I am very disappointed with the quality of interior bits, pieces, controls and switchgear in almost all newer cars, from Toyota to Mercedes. I find that mid-90's era Honda and Toyotas, mid-80's era Mercedes and BMWs, and early 2000 Lexus' and absolutely shame their more modern offspring in this regard.
  • Does anyone know from the Central Florida area where I can buy the 2011 Hyundai Sonata SE, PACIFIC BLUE PEARL color?
  • Jason5Jason5 Posts: 440
    Thanks.... I couldn't find "optimo's" in the performance category at the Hankook website. Having the specific number helps.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Well, in many ways the interior bits of my 2004 Elantra are superior to those in newer cars like the 2011 Sonata. Almost all the interior trim pieces of my Elantra are padded, for example. But that is the price we pay for paying about the same price today for a Sonata GLS than what we paid 20 years ago, adjusted for inflation, for a far better car--a few interior bits excepted.

    I also find the color of the interior makes a difference. To me the all-black interior looks cheap on the Sonata, especially with the SE's black metal-grain trim and cloth inserts. But take the camel interior with (I think) nicer cloth, or leather, and woodgrain trim to dress things up a bit, and it's easier to forget that most of the plastic surfaces are hard to the touch. Besides, we almost never touch those hard plastic pieces except when we're test driving the car. ;)

    I was over at my local Hyundai dealer looking for a used car yesterday because our 2007 Sonata might be totaled by the insurance company (hit in the rear last week). A 60-ish woman was drooling over the pearl white SE on the showfloor. I told her, "You'd look good in that." She said, "I know!". Don't know if she bought it though. That is the only 2011 my local dealer has right now. They are not having any problems selling them despite a $599 window sticker for paint protection etc. (Ah, those memories of Honda and Toyota in the '80s and '90s.)
  • Argh. That's my dealer and they said they didn't take deliveries on weekends and I would have to wait until Monday. Your post means they have my car now.
  • jsmit86jsmit86 Posts: 116
    edited February 2010
    In reply to :
    #632 of 641
    Purchase price of Hyundai Sonata 2011 Limited by tripig
    Feb 20, 2010 (6:46 pm)

    Just took home a 2011 Sonata Limited for 1000 under invoice from Rosen Hyundai in suburban Chicago. Very easy to deal with. Fantastic car! You won't be disappointed!



    Please post MSRP and Price paid before Tax lic title and doc.
  • http://www.hyundai-forums.com/t45232-bought-a-2011-ltd-today.htm

    That forum thread has a guy that posted pics of a pacific pearl sonata. Says it looks black from a distance.
  • gs42gs42 Posts: 54
    With the kind of deals customers are getting, one conclusion is that the invoice is padded quite a bit. Why would a dealer sell a new model that has a decent demand for a loss? Answer: They wouldn't.
  • I will test drive one in a couple of weeks but in reading through the brochure, it seems that on the GLS there's no option package that includes a sunroof. On the SE the sunroof is tied to the Nav. I don't want the manufacturer's Nav system (don't want to pay for it) but really do want a sunroof, as I enjoy it so much on my '06 GLS. I understand the difficulties for manufacturers to allow each item to be a separate option but these built in Nav systems really are just a huge profit center. I know few people who feel their built-in works better than a $200 Garmin.

    When purchasing my current car, I almost didn't even try Hyundai. For this next purchase the 2011 Sonata would have been the only choice. However, with the few option packages offered, I guess I'll also look at Honda, Toyota, etc.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    However, with the few option packages offered, I guess I'll also look at Honda, Toyota, etc.

    So you think the Accord is better re availability of a moonroof, because you have to buy the highest level trim, EX, before you can even get a moonroof? :confuse: At least a moonroof is available in the SE. And standard on the highest-level trim, the Limited--kinda like the standard moonroof on the Accord EX.

    On the Camry, you can't get a moonroof on the base trim but can get one on the LE and higher trims. You can probably get a real good deal on a 2010 Camry right now.
  • REF:644
    I live in OH and talked to a dealer in Indiana (125 miles away). I asked how he could advertise online at between 1500-2000 off MSRP on new 2011 Sonatas. We all know that is below invoice. He said there is dealer cash on the new models to sell ASAP and generate free buzz when the cars hit the streets. Seems to be working although some dealers are not willing to budge from MSRP (this week). I am waiting until mid-March for the new model furor to settle and for a few more "new car test drives" to post. Consumer Reports has a GLS review online already.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    I am waiting until mid-March for the new model furor to settle

    I think waiting longer will be better. All the test drives/reviews from the press and auto writers should be out next week and they should generate some demand. Plus, you'll be heading into the spring selling season(traditionally best), plus the auto shows have created buzz as well. Just saying I don't think you'll see great deals till fall.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Posts: 303
    edited February 2010
    I completely disagree about the interior, I had a 2004 Sonata GLS (mid trim) and I can tell you that this is far superior. While that was also a nice car, the leather on many parts of the 2011 SE is beautiful quality, especially on the bolstered parts of the sports seats (which so far have been extremely comfortable btw) and the center armrest. The dash is a soft padded black which is smooth and soft, I really cannot think of much of the interior that has a "cheap plastic" kind of feal.

    The 2004 Sonata GLS was $18500 MSRP or so, the mid-level Sonata is now $23,450, so they definitely did some price adjustments.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    especially at a time when many new models are going to be rolling out from competitors

    Which new models are you referring to? Haven't heard of any major redesigns coming up soon.


    The 2011 Hyundai is not a major, but rather an incremental, leap forward.

    Complete exterior, interior, drivetrain redo. Top (non-turbo) I4 hp in class, top mpg in class, top safety rating in class, second best 3yr residual value in class and possibly a I4 turbo coming that may have more than 250hp and still get around the same mpg numbers. Compared to what everyone else has done(is doing) it seems a pretty major leap.

    the fuel economy (if EPA estimates turn out to be remotely close)

    Name one 2008 or newer car that a fairly conservative driver can't meet or beat the current EPA numbers with.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    The leather is fine, as is the dash top. It's the rest of the hard plastics in the interior that feel cheap, especially in black. At least to me. The overall appearance of the interior is much better for 2011 than on the 2004, I agree. But as someone else noted, everyone else is using hard plastics in interiors now except in luxury cars, so we can't knock Hyundai alone.

    A car that sold for $18500 in 2004 would cost $21,200 today adjusted for inflation. But the 2011 SE has much more on it than that 2004 Sonata, e.g. six airbags, ESC, 200 hp engine, 6AT with paddle shifters, 18" alloys, Bluetooth, sport-tuned suspension, etc. More interior room also. Not bad for about $2200 more than in 2004.
  • black feels cheaper than the other colors? Wouldn't the only difference be color?

    Unless it's a part of the car that i touch (controls, steering wheel), then it doesn't really bother me if something is hard or soft or feels cheap. As long as it doesn't look cheap then I'm good to go.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    OK, looks cheaper. Better?
  • I disagree with most of your comments.

    How could anybody compare current gen to last gen? 2011 sonata is so much better than last gen IMO.

    also i have owned 6 honyotas from 90's. please tell me which model you think has a better interior than new sonata. I've had a camry, 2 accords, 2 civic, and avalon. please give me a year and model. because i bet you my house that the material they used aren't better. yes, 2000-2003 Lexus had some of the best interior materials. but those are lexus. not toyota and honda. My brother drives pristine acura legend coupe. the material isn't better than today's car.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    One thing I haven't seen anyone mention yet is the design change in the trunk. The 2006-10 Sonata used gas struts to support the trunk lid. That design maximized usable trunk space. The 2011 Sonata uses conventional hinges, which I suspect are less expensive than the gas strut arrangement. Several competitors use the same design. The hinges can crush cargo. On the plus side, the trunk opening can be (and probably is) wider with the conventional hinges, and I noticed that when the trunk is opened with the remote release, the trunk springs fully open--which doesn't happen with the gas struts, you have to lift the lid and it takes not a little force to do so.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    Hyundai probably figured it was better to get something into the trunk and get it crushed than not be able to haul it at all. ;)

    I'll take the hinges. I like as big of opening as I can get, can adjust my stuff for the hinges(did it for many years) and I like the trunk popping up so I don't have to free a hand to lift it.
  • Is there any way to upgrade the audio (in GLS or SE) without paying for the $1700 nav? Like others, I have a Garmin already and just want a decent quality audio in the car. (The base readio is the one thing that was disappointing from my test drive.) It seems there is no way to do this, but I thought I'd ask if anyone knows any different (or has after-market ideas). Thanks.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,048
    Yes. Buy the GLS and go to Best Buy(or any car audio store) and have a great aftermarket system put in if that is the one and only thing you don't love about the car.
  • I disagree with most of your comments.

    How could anybody compare current gen to last gen? 2011 sonata is so much better than last gen IMO.

    also i have owned 6 honyotas from 90's. please tell me which model you think has a better interior than new sonata. I've had a camry, 2 accords, 2 civic, and avalon. please give me a year and model. because i bet you my house that the material they used aren't better. yes, 2000-2003 Lexus had some of the best interior materials. but those are lexus. not toyota and honda. My brother drives pristine acura legend coupe. the material isn't better than today's car.


    Of the many, I'll name one to keep it simple (and it's a low priced one, too):

    1994 Honda Civic EX. Sublime. Perfect fit and finish - outstanding materials throughout.

    I won't even get into 1995 Toyota Camry or 1988 Mercedes Benz territory, specifically...
  • jaimzjaimz Posts: 15
    I drove an early 90's model Civic for years, and liked Honda so much I leased two Civics between 2001 and 2007. Then, made a move to Corolla. Nice cars. Fuel efficient...peppy for the cost, basic inside....BASIC I say. I test drove an Accord a few months ago. All nothing to write home about.

    Test drove the 11 Limited yesterday. Wow...what a sweet frickin' ride. Smooth, quiet, responsive, and a nice combination of forgiving and tight on the road. The interior, while not luxury was very nice; spacious and sharp.

    I'll be happy to buy one soon. :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Six to one, half-dozen the other. How much you wanna bet though CR will ding Hyundai for not using the struts, due to the cargo-crushing scenario? They usually mention that. (They don't think to consider the downsides of struts, though...)

    They'll probably also prominently mention the "hard plastic" bits, even though it's de rigueur these days in this class of cars. And probably note the reduced headroom in back. I think overall they'll like the car, though... maybe even enough to put it at the top of the I4 mid-sized class.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 418
    I'll agree with you on the Honda interior for the Accord. Nothing special. My parents just got a new one and I drove it so I had a baseline to compare as I shop. Drove great, very nice car and I even like the styling of the exterior (to a degree). Interior was nice, but pretty humdrum.

    Sonata is a big jump from the Accord interior. Actually now that I think of it, the Honda interior in our CR-V was probably the reason we picked it over the RAV4. I like the Honda interior, but the Sonata's is better. Exterior, the Sonata is far superior in my eyes. Still have to test drive the Sonata though so no comments there.
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