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2011 Hyundai Sonata

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  • /IMO, the overall look and feel of the SE was more to my liking, I actually waited
    a while for it to be tested by consumers. I have the 2009/2010 V6, I almost made
    a big mistake, the one I got came off the showroom floor. I told them to get my
    car out of their building and put an I4 instead. They said that the car wasn't for sale
    I said simply, that is false advertising you can't sell what you don't have, there are
    no more V6's anywhere so, like I said get my car out here. It did get a little funny
    but I was serious. NO SE V6 I go to the Azera, but I really wanted the SE. Very
    big difference than the GLS or the Limited!!!
  • dodgeman07dodgeman07 Posts: 573
    edited February 2010
    wolverinejoe80: Your post was an attempt to back up someone stating that the CC was 50% more expensive than 2011 Sonata. It's not.

    Your speculation that 2011 Sonata's will be selling for $17K is fantasy land. 2011 Sonata's will average around $23K out the door - all year long. It's a sweet new model with the best warranty on the planet.

    Most VW 2010 CC's with the I4 go for $28K-$29K (and we're talking apples to apples - not a V6 4Motion). $23K vs. $29K is not 50% on my calculator.
  • hhr06hhr06 Posts: 47
    shabadoo please be sure to let us no how u make out with the price. i'll drive up to atlanta from central fl for that discount.find it hard to beleive that they will sell the car for that much under msrp. not much profit for the dealer with out help from hyundai. r u buying or leasing?
  • I am buying, because I am part of the way through a credit rebuilding process and it made more sense for me. I have trouble believing the deal also, but this is one of the 2 Atlanta area dealers that USAA recommends. I will be happy to share the details with you offline once I take possession of the car and confirm that everything is on the up and up. I can tell you now that I really like my salesguy and you would, too.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,951
    edited February 2010
    Fitzmall in Clearwater is selling new '11 Sonatas for around 1200 under MSRP. When you consider that Shabadoo's deal $2500 included $500 loyalty rebate it was really $2000 under MSRP if not a current Hyundai owner now. That's only a $825 difference. Depending on where you live in Florida it may be easier to pick one up there. Just a thought.
  • Maybe I got $2k off because it was a decked out LTD? Not sure. My sales guy said they wouldn't let him sell the new Tucson for below MSRP the first month and he only sold 1, so they learned the error of their ways.

    BTW, not including mine, they are expecting a shipment of 17 more including 2 LTDs w/nav.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    Hmm maybe they are just being aggressive in trying to get market share?

    My only concern at this point is lack of reviews. Once that happens I'll feel confident in the car. Then it becomes a matter of do I want to wait 6 months for any issues to reveal themselves or be an early adopter of a hot new model. Hmm.
  • Yeah, that bugged me, too. I'm going to rely on the Hyundai warranty for peace of mind.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,675
    edited February 2010
    indeed, the Hyundai Azera does appear to be on the way to being phased out.

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    The above car, the i-flow, is being designed at Hyundai's Germany Design HQ's and is being slated to replace the Azera.

    Some evidence:

    http://www.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1042560_2010-geneva-motor-show-previe- - - w-hyundai-i-flow-concept

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • LASHAWNLASHAWN Posts: 303
    I'll be in the market in a couple of months. Can you give that salesman name and dealership name? I live in Savannah, GA and would gladly take the three hour drive to ATL for that price. I'm also scheduled to tour the plant here soon.
  • sduff68sduff68 Posts: 52
    edited February 2010
    I test drove a 2011 Sonata SE twice. I also own a 2009 Limited 4 cylinder with NAV. I feel the best way to describe the 2011 SE is to compare it to my 2009 Limited.

    External Appearance:

    The 2011 wins hands down. It is the most attractive vehicle in it's class when compared to Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Mazda 6 or Chevy Malibu. The only vehicle that comes close to it is the one it closely resembles the Volkswagen CC. I personally think many will mistake it for it for a Mercedes or a Lexus. I love the fact that the 4 cylinder SE has a dual exhaust (something my 4 cylinder lacks so I added a custom one) two failed tries later and my exhaust is still jacked. As soon as I get the money I have to try to get it re-done again. However the Limited 2011 Sonata isn't going to have a dual exhaust...only the SE.

    Interior Appearance:

    The interior is nice...but I actually prefer the appearance of my 09 Limited’s interior. I am old fashioned and like the traditional wood trim chrome accent look more than the Brushed Aluminum and Black accented "modern" somewhat space ship look in the 2011. I still want to see how the Limited looks with the wood trim...maybe my opinion will change. The things I like about the new car are the seats, they are very sporty in appearance and very supportive. The vehicle you fits you like a glove and at the same time it still feels spacious. The armrest extends farther than in the previous generation Sonata and it is easier to rest your arm on it while still holding on to the steering wheel.

    The view out the windshield is wide and spacious...you can't even see the hood of the car while you are driving. You also have a good view out the side and rear windows as well.

    Interior Storage:

    Hyundai added a cubby for storage at the bottom of the center stack and moved the IPOD, aux, USB jacks to that location. The also added a cubby just beneath the armrest. These are features I really envy because I usually have to store my Blackberry or my IPOD inside my cup holders when I just want to have easy access to them in my 09. They also re-added storage to the rear passenger doors, something that my car lacks.

    Ergonomics/Creature Comforts:

    All the HVAC and radio controls are easy to reach and activate. If you have a Limited 2009 or 2010 you will recognize the "little seated man" that is the control button for the mode on the HVAC ("heating, ventilating, and air conditioning") vents going to the face, feet, windshield defrost, etc.) only now instead of being a little icon inside of the little LCD screen it is the actual button you use to control the HVAC modes

    They moved the controls for the trip computer to the bottom left side of the steering wheel beneath the cruise control. In addition, they screen for the trip computer is a little LCD screen! My trip computer controls are to the left of the steering wheel on the dash...the location of the controls for the 2011 are very convenient and you won't have to take your hands of the wheel to access them now. In addition, the 2011 has controls for the integrated blue tooth on the left side of the steering wheel beneath the audio controls. This is a feature I really miss on my car and I have a detachable JABRA unit that I use on my 2009 Limited. I didn't bother with the system Hyundai offers as an add on since it isn't integrated into the stereo and the JABRA works the same way as Hyundai's much more expensive unit.

    Radio/iPod interface:
    The sound quality of my 2009 Limited's Infinity radio/NAV blows the one in the 2011 SE away...I mean there is no comparison. I also like the iPod interface in my car better. The iPod controls were a little confusing and I had difficulty getting to the various modes to switch to different songs. However I have to admit that the vehicle I test drove did not have NAV so I could not compare the interfaces, but I assume it is the same.

    The new car is also extremely quiet. One of the biggest disappointments with my car is how loud the 4 cylinder is when compared to the 6. I intentionally did not drive the 6 when test driving because I knew I would like it more...I find myself regretting that decision. I think I would have been happier getting the 6 with no NAV as opposed to getting the 4 with NAV.

    With the 2011 either the engine is more refined, or they increased the sound deadening or both! At Highway speeds the car is a lot more quiet. The mirrors have a nice sculpted shape, and I think this probably contributes to how quiet the car is.

    Performance:

    The additional 25 horses are for real. I drive my 2009 pretty hard and I got to put the 2011 through the paces. It gets to 60 a couple of ticks faster than mine and gets to 80 effortlessly. However...although I can see while looking at the speedometer that it is a faster car it doesn't really "FEEL" faster. When you step on the gas from a stop it still doesn't push you back into the seat. However, at highway speeds it has plenty of passing power and the car is still a joy to drive. I am sure the turbocharged 2.0 engine will give it the power of the previous V6 with the gas mileage of the naturally aspirated 4.

    Unlike my 2009 Sonata Limited the 2011 Sonata SE is actually fun to drive. The car definitely handles better as well and the new seats in the SE grip you like a glove while going through the corners and they are very comfortable.

    Overall, I like the 2011 Sonata and I wish I would have waited. However, the 2009 Sonata Limited is still a great car with a nice luxurious appearance. I would have never thought that they would improve the car so much two years after a major refreshing and only four years after the car first came out.

    Hyundai has the new leader in the affordable midsize sedan class, and it may even persuade some people to forego a Lexus, Acura, or even a Hyundai Genesis in it’s Limited trim with the 2.0 turbo!
  • wolverinejoe80wolverinejoe80 Posts: 337
    edited February 2010
    dodgeman07

    i previously stated that the difference will be 35%-40%. not 50%. last year's sonata would've been 50%.

    I recalculated using the factual numbers given by both hyundai and VW. i still get almost 40%

    sonata's base price + highest price / 2= $19,195 + 28,115(limited with nav + freight) / 2 = $23,655
    i4 CC's base price + highest price / 2 = $27,760 + $36,520(luxury with nav + freight) / 2 = $31,890


    price difference of median= $8235

    Hyundai incentive/discount factor = at least $1000 if not more.

    $8235+$1000= $9235 real life price difference

    $9235 / $23,655 = 39%


    again, i'm being very generous on incentive/dealer discount factor.
  • and if you use average discount of 20% for sonata vs. 10% for CC

    you get

    $23,655 x .8 = $18924
    $31,890 x .9 = $28701

    =$9771

    $9771 / $18924 = .52%


    so 50% is still a possibility. last gen sonata averaged about 20-22% below msrp over 5 year period. but most likely new sonata's incentives+discount will no longer be 20%. camry and accord is around 8-11%, so i assume 15% for sonata is not out of question. that's basically getting $2000 rebates + $1500 dealer discount on a 23k sonata. but who knows hyundai becomes really cocky and doesn't give out huge incentives like they used to?
  • After I get my car and make sure that I am satisfied with my transaction, I will give out the salesman's info. Shouldn't be more than 3-5 more days.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    Well, ALG can do it. They do it because they HAVE to do it; leases are based on resale/residual values.

    Your faith and belief in ALG has no merit. ALG has no qualities of any value other than "many people/companies" use it as a guide.

    Unfortunately for GM & Chrysler, their super inaccurate overinflated resale values on SUV's and trucks recently helped speed their rush to bankruptcy as their lease departments lost BILLIONS thanks to ALG's inaccuracies.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Actually you are not allowed to post a salesperson's name here. Just the dealership name. Sorry.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    It's not faith and belief; it's the cold hard fact that ALG is in business to estimate residual values. Thus they are professionals at it. Doesn't mean they are infallible, but as you said, many companies use it as a guide; if it were of no value, I doubt companies would use it.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    Companies also bought worthless insurances from AIG. Just because companies use it, doesn't mean it has any kind of value or accuracy. Companies that went bankrupt used ALG, so that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of ALG.

    The same thing happened (or would have happened absent gov't bailouts) to companies using AIG.

    In my mind, AIG and ALG are worth about the same, and that is worthless (absent a bailout of GM, Chrysler, and just about every bank that bought insurance from AIG, and AIG itself.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Ted Williams failed about 60% of the time when he batted over .400, also. Not a ringing endorsement of a player regarded by many as one of the best to play the game.

    Can we move on and talk about the 2011 Sonata, please, rather than your vendetta against companies that start with "A"?
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