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  • I am sure this information is available somewhere but I can't seem to locate it. What are the stated 0-60 times for the 1.8T and the VR6-200?

    I am contemplating buying one or the other, but I am not sure which way I should go. Any ideas? I live in CA so the roads are curvey and in pretty good shape.

    Thanks!
  • After a few weeks research and test driving (I test drove 7 cars so far), my list narrows to Acura RSX, GTI 1.8t, and Passat 1.8t, although I haven't test drove GTI or Passat yet (test drove 2002 Jetta 1.8t tho, the car's mechanical quality was questionable). Just a question, what're the differences between 03 and 02 GTI? Are 03 models assembled in Brazil with German powertrain like 02? Thanks.
  • seguyseguy Posts: 133
    VW.com(vwoa website)claims 7.5sec for 1.8T and 7.6sec for new 200hpV6. Although, car mags have gotten about 6.5 and 6.7 respectively. Pretty close, not enough to tell a difference really.

    If you don't plan to do any upgrading to the car, go with the V6(Better power below 2000 rpm). 1.8T with a chip is slightly quicker in stock form, but throw in a chip (increase to 210 hp) and it'll blow by the V6, not to mention better gas mileage too. I have a 1.8T and love it. I drove a V6 and liked it too, but that boost is addicting when it kicks in.

    Hope this helps...
  • Yes, they're still assembled in Brazil, just like last year. For '03 the GTI gets leather steering wheel, shifter boot, and handbrake standard even without the leather package (boo!), gets ESP available as an option, and has different color choices (Matchstick Red and Rave Green, my two favorite GTI colors, gone in favor of Silverstone, right?).

    VW claims 7.7 for the 24v, .2 slower than their 1.8t claim, but since no magazines that I'm aware of have tested the 24v yet and VW always has conservative estimates, we really don't know what it's capable of.

    Mike
  • adg44adg44 Posts: 385
    So it would make sense that the 24v VR6 would do the same, if not better.
  • You need to drive the 1.8t and VR6, they are really different. Performance numbers don't do them justice, .2 of a second is not detectable 0-60. I went with the 1.8t because of it's tuneability and price, it also felt lighter and seemed to handle a little better although the VR6 only weighs about 100 pounds more. The VR6 is extremely nice, lots of low end torque, very smooth - you have to test both back to back and decide for yourself. I like the scrappy nature of my tuned 1.8t, the VR6 has a more refined Audi feel to it - hard to explain.
  • seguyseguy Posts: 133
    with rickover...

    and sorry about the wrong time on the 24V, my memory failed me. The times I believe are from Car and Driver, not sure which issue though. (Separate ones of course.)
  • mpg5mpg5 Posts: 68
    help me out man. i am torn between 2003 gti or a 4 door chipped tdi golf. tdi=lots of torque but no high end pull. gti 1.8t=wider powerband that really screams. i like 4 doors for the kids, but i think i really want a smokin' fast ride. i can get a tdi w/lux and monsoon for 17800. what would a 2003 gti 1.8t w 17"s and sunroof/monsoon cost?
  • seguyseguy Posts: 133
    Gti should run around 20000.

    A chipped TDI is pretty quick. If you compare the HP output from 0-4000 rpms (TDI redlines around 4200rpm vs 6300rpm 1.8T) of a stock TDI vs stock 1.8T, the TDI actually has the edge. Although its taller gearing will handicap its acceleration vs the 1.8T. A chipped TDI wouldn't be a screamer by any means, but for normal day to day driving, it may seem equal to the 1.8T in acceleration. i.e. shifting at 3000 rpms in a chipped TDI would probably yield better accel times Vs shifting at 3000 rpm in a 1.8T. I don't know if this has been tested, just my 2 cents.
  • nerdnerd Posts: 203
    I am shopping for a fun-to-drive car for days when I don't need to drive my pickup. I am considering a new GTI. I would appreciate comments regarding reliability and what you owners like and don't like about the GTI. I know the styling is a little dated, but I just can't afford a BMW M Coupe.
  • Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I helped a friend buy an 03 1.8t GTI yesterday. He'd been looking for a couple months and compared RSX, MINI S and fell hard for the 1.8t GTI. He got a fully loaded 03 GTI with leather, luxury and 17's for $850 off MSRP. I checked Edmunds for invoice and noticed that they don't list invoice for 03's - you could use 02 GTI to figure invoice - TMV is useless, I never use Edmunds TMV as a guide. So working from Edmunds MSRP for cloth 03 1.8t GTI with luxury and 17's MSRP is $21,280, knock $850 off that and $20,430 wouldn't be too bad. Using 02 invoice as a guide it looks like there is about a $1,700 difference between dealer invoice and MSRP. I got them down about $1,300 below MSRP on my cloth 02 with luxury and 17's about a year ago. It will be unfortunate if Edmunds has stopped listing invoice prices.


    As far as hooking up a TDI - I understand they are easy to get a lot of performance from. Here is a link to the best info I know on the TDI:


     http://www.tdiclub.com/

  • I hadn't checked that TDI page for awhile - it looks like the consensus is an Upsolute chip for the TDI - 26 more HP and 40 LB Ft more torque. I have an Upsolute distributor near me, it was the second choice for my 1.8t. Upsolute ECU upgrade for TDI or 1.8t is $350 compared to the $500 I paid for the APR ECU upgrade on my 1.8t - Upsolute doesn't have the mode switching using the cruise control button that APR has and APR doesn't chip TDI's.
  • bpibpi Posts: 120
    www.kbb.com

    $1,700 is the difference between the MSRP and invoice on the base car. More options mean a larger difference.
  • If you wanted to be really accurate you could figure out Invoice and MSRP on an 02 with options and apply that to an 03, it would be fairly accurate.
  • bpibpi Posts: 120
    My last post was meant to say that kbb.com has all the 2003 invoice information, including the options.
  • seguyseguy Posts: 133
    I haven't had anything go wrong with mine as of yet. Only 5400 miles though. Just changed the oil around 4900. No troubles so far and I get decent mileage. 31 around town, and 35 on hwy. Every car has its share of problems. The Mk4 gti has been out since the 2000 model, so I'm sure they worked some of the kinks out by now...

    As far as styling goes, I myself prefer the Gti's styling over anything else out there. Yes it's not radical, but to me that's good. IMO it has long term appeal in its clean lines.
  • nerdnerd Posts: 203
    Thank you for the report. Happy to hear that you enjoy the car.

    I agree with you on the styling. It might not be really "in", but I don't think it will ever be completely "out".
  • jgz1jgz1 Posts: 1
    I have a 2002 VW GTI that I bought back in April. As to reliability, for the past few years, VW has had a manufacturing problem with the regulators on the automatic windows. The glass falls into the door, and the window won't roll up.

    Before purchasing mine, I knew of this (from this notice board) and asked the dealer if it had been fixed for 2002. He said adjustments had been made. Less than 6 months later, it happened to me. I have two other friends with 2001 GTIs, and they have had the same problem. Moreover, there is an international parts shortage. I could not get mine in to get fixed for three weeks.

    Other than this problem, I LOVE my GTI. It drives great, and I, too, am partial to the styling. I just got it back from the dealer yesterday, and have been remembering what I love about this car. This is just a word of warning that there has been a serious and consistent problem with the window regulators that VW has known about for a long time. So, if I were you, I would ask the dealer if it has been fixed in 2003 models. You can probably find more posts on this problem that can explain it much more eloquently than I can.

    --jgz
  • VW has recently redesigned the window regulators, the old one's had plastic clips that failed on a regular basis, the new ones have metal clips. VW is replacing window regulators that fail even if the car is out of warranty. I've seen pictures of the old and new regulators - the new ones are a huge improvement.

    I haven't had any problems with the regulators on my 02 GTI but expect I eventually will.
  • I have a 99.5 mk4 vr6. And I'm just getting tired of all this stupid stuff breaking on it.
    Anybody have this yet?
    The stupid climatronic piece of crap now decides that when it turns on recirculate (which it seems to do automatically when the AC is on and the outside temperature hits 75 degrees) instead of blowing more air, it blows less. (but it makes a lot more noise)
    My guess is that the gizmo be it vacuum or solenoid or whatever it is that opens the inside vent is broken. So it closes the vent from the outside, doesn't open the vent from the inside and does'nt blow very much air.
    it wouldn't be so bad except YOU CAN'T TURN IT OFF. If you don't have recirculate on the stupid climatronic turns it on for you and there's no way to override it. So if it gets hot out, I get LESS AIRCONDITION. This has to be at least reason number 6 or 7 why this this is just so broken. I hope the fired the guy who came up with that piece of crap a few times.
    So.
    Anybody have any idea how the vents are controlled in the mk4's? I don't hear hissing, (but who knows) is it a broken vacuum hose? Do they still do that, or is everything done with motors now so it has a higher likelyhood of breaking?
    Anybody wanna take this piece of car off my hands?
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    I heard VW issued a TSB that covers the replacement of the regs for a number of years.
  • Yes that poorly designed piece of computer is the absolute worst 'feature' of the car.

    My only problem with vwvortex is that it's too big. This forum is a lot easier to read, although I realize it doesn't get the volume.
    Thanks.
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    the recirc flaps in the ventilation goes quite often in the climatronic. the climatronic has the twin flaps, where regular ones have one.
  • Say that again? You have an idea of what I'm talking about. Any info on this somewhere I can read, and maybe how to fix?
    thanks for any info.
  • mpg5mpg5 Posts: 68
    any info appreciated. i am thinking 20k-20.5k for 2003 gti w/lux and 17"'s. i want silverstone, so anyone who bought one i would appreciate the post. i realize demographics come into play, but any info would be helpful as i plan on negotiating px this weekend and placing my order. thanks. btw, i'm on long island.
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    I'll type the thing in tomorrow. I found it in the UK VW Driver Magazine.
  • I went out a couple weeks ago with a friend that got an 03 GTI, Lux, leather, 17's from my dealer - he paid $850 under MSRP plus they threw in the heavy duty GTI rubber floor mats. He wanted Silverstone but all they had in stock was a silver one and two black ones. He was so hyped he couldn't wait for a Silverstone so he got the Reflex silver one - same color as my 02 GTI :-(
  • johnxyzjohnxyz Posts: 94
    Is a base Audi TT (fwd) really worth the significant price premium over a Golf if they are for all intents and purposes very similar vehicles?

    Some Golfs are even built in Germany while TT's are assembled in Hungary.

    Love the look of the TT but you hear of reliability/quality control issues as well as the huge $$$ difference. Your thoughts?
  • I have a 2000 GTI/GLX, and the window on the driver's side recently fell into the door. I called VW customer service, and mentioned that the dealer said it was a common problem. I then asked why a recall was not done, since everyone is prone. VW then arranged for a n/c repair.(my GTI has 49k). If the window problem happens, and it probably will. Go to VW for help.
    Good Luck!
  • As far as I know, all Golfs/GTIs sold in the US are built in Brazil, so that's no real advantage or disadvantage compared to a Hungary built TT.

    But yeah, the GTI 1.8t and TT amount to very similar cars with very drastic price differences. It's not worth it to me, especially considering how much more room the GTI has inside for people and stuff, though it may be worth it to some.

    A special-edition GTI, like the 337 or the possibly upcoming 20th anniversary edition seem to be the best deal to me.

    Mike
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