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  • bruticusbruticus Posts: 229
    Also no Progressive, and no companies offer online quoting whatsoever. In NJ, auto insurers MUST adopt "take all comers" meaning they can't turn any applicant away; they must offer some kind of policy for drivers with terrible records; because this driver group has a high overlap with the group of drivers with little money, these high-risk policies are subsidized by premiums paid by average drivers. As a result, many insurers (State Farm being one of the biggest in recent news) are quitting the business in NJ completely, which decreases competition and allows remaining insurers to jack up rates.

    At the same time, a large % of vehicles on our roads on any given day are registered/insured in a different state, while a smaller % are not legally registered or insured at all. So auto insurers writing business in this state are faced with paying money on claims they can't hope to recover in premiums because, quite often, one party involved in an accident will be paying a company in a different state (or no company at all). That risk is, again, subsidized by average drivers' premiums.

    Atop that, there's no real regulation of how insurance companies rate driver risk; one company may allow people with 1 accident or 2 points into their best-rate group, while another won't offer their best rates unless a driver has no points, no accidents, and has been insured with that carrier for 3 years or more.

    IIRC, in NJ the average premium for all "driver categories" is highest or second-highest in the nation.

    Cars like the Protege, Mini, and Focus suffer much the same insurance drawbacks as the WRX: rated as high-performance; intended/marketed to young, single male drivers; prone to theft; often used for weekend racing...

    DjB
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    I'd get quotes for a 1.8t GTI from your same sources - that's the only way to really know what your rates would be. My 02 1.8t GTI insurance runs about $900 a year in Florida. GTI's are typically cheap to insure in my experience.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Good Lord!!!! If I ever consider moving to NJ, please remind me about these ridiculously high insurance rates. I pay about 2400/yr to insure 3 cars in Florida full coverage (no collision or comp on oldest car) with Progressive. I'm 23, single, no points and no accidents. Cars insured are an 03 Suzuki Aerio SX, 02 Mitsu Lancer, and 92 Miata. NJ residents are being ripped off, especially the young single male group.
  • nkeennkeen Posts: 316
    My recent problem with an ignition coil failure caused my car to be holed up in the dealership for days waiting for a new part. The coil was eventually replaced. I then read in today's NY Times Automotive Section that each of four ignition coils is prone to failure but that VW's policy was to only replace the one that failed. I immediately went back to my service documentation, and sure enough, only the coil on cylinder 1 was replaced. So it's only a matter of time...

    I plan to take this up with VW next week. (I pressed for a buyback under PA's lemon law after the ignition failure, but no luck.)

    Summary of first 17K miles: rattle in driver's door; 2nd gear syncro failure resulting in replacement; noise in 4th and 5th gears resulting in transmission replacement (4 transmission related visits/fixes in 16K miles); ignition coil failure resulting in ignition coil replacement on cylinder 1. VW has to realize that this just won't do in the North American market, where reliability is paramount. For comparison, I have owned 3 humble Chevy Cavaliers with only a water pump failure and a thermostat failure, each around 100K miles. All three cars parted company with me on their original transmissions and clutches.
  • dle01dle01 Posts: 37
    I just saw the NYT article; here is a link to it for those who are interested.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/02/automobiles/02COIL.html

    This is not super good news on the reliability front. The article mentioned that now that parts are available VW will be offering proactive replacements of all coils. I'm going to check with my dealer this week to see if they are willing to do this on my car (a 2002 VR6).

    Has anyone had any experiences with dealers willing to replace more than one coil? Anyone received any proactive correspondence regarding the problem from VW?
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Perhaps this official announcement from VW will help put some of your concerns to rest: Volkwagen and Audi To Replace All Ignition Coil Parts.... Also, for more on this subject, here a discussion from our Maintenance & Repair board. Hope this is helpful.

    And perhaps we can get back to discussing some other subjects about the GTI. Thanks for your participation! ;-)

    Revka
    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host
  • nkeennkeen Posts: 316
    Good to read about the fix.

    I had started to test other cars as a prelude to replacing the GTI. But... Subaru WRX: fast but crude; Honda Accord: extremely competent but left me totally unmoved; Saab 9-3: comes real close, but try ordering a base car; BMW 325i: great to drive but too cramped and not as fast as the VW; Jaguar X-type 2.5 5spd: like the Mondeo that spawned it, a good car, but poor head room and it's not really a Jag, and, yes, a Chevy Impala: honest, roomy, under-rated car with a great engine and the best auto trans you can buy. But the GTI is just plain great to drive, and very roomy for two (more than any except for the Impala and Accord, thanks to old-fashioned near vertical side glass and more vertical windshield). If only it would give me 70K miles of trouble free motoring.....
  • I'm beginning to really like the GTI VR6. I've been doing some research about the car and am very impressed with the facts and figures. How 'bout the new incentives and rebates from VW?

    1. Where is the GTI built? Brazil or Germany? How 'bout in 2002?

    2. Should I wait for the 2004 GTI 4 Motion?

    3. Is the Cargo space roomy enough to hold a mountain bike with or without removing the front wheel?

    4. What else should I know about this car before I go and buy a Honda Element EX 4WD or an Audi A4 Avant 3.0 6-speed.
  • hi, Im a new VW owner, I just bought a '03 GTi with the 1.8t, I like it alot. Im comming out of a 1998 Caddillac Seville STS. I have about 450 miles on my GTi and i have a rattle comming from my passenger door. Other than that the car has been awesome, its quick and fairly good on gas. My insurance however did go up about $400 a year as oppose to my caddy....im a 22 yr old guy btw.
    I have only had one ticket my whole life and no accidents, so im on the same boat as some of you other guys
  • adg44adg44 Posts: 385
    It's built in Brazil. The last German built GTI was in early 2001.

    The Element and A4 Avant are totally different cars. Apples to Oranges.

    2004 GTI 4motion? No such thing. There will be a Golf R32 with a 3.2L VR6 and 4motion, but that's it. About 5,000 headed to the US and we aren't sure if it will come with the DSG or the 6 speed. Expect pricing to be right around the $30k mark.

    - Anthony
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    and congrats on your new GTI!

    You said: "My insurance however did go up about $400 a year...."

    Just curious, have you had a chance to check out Edmunds' Insurance Section? With a little knowledge, you might be able to lower those rates, and still maintain an adequate amount of coverage. Good luck, and please keep us posted on your ownership experience. ;-)

    Revka
    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host
  • I put my road bike(wheel off) in my trunk quite easily. On a couple of occasions I have had to put two bikes in the back which was a little more awkward, but not too difficult. In addition the rear bumper is a great place to sit whilist putting on your shoes, helmet, etc. The GTI has 42 cu. ft. of space with the seats folded down which is about as much as a Focus or Civic SI hatch. I think the Element is a little overkill if you just need to carry a bike or two.

    I think the GTI is so much cheaper than the Avant that it is hard to compare the two. I also think the GTI would be much more fun to drive than an Element and the aftermarket is there for you to transform the car if you decide to later. Plus I think all that body cladding on the Element will look pretty silly 5 or 6 years(the Chevy Avalanche look very silly right now to these eyes) from now where the GTI is a very timeless and rational design.
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    in 1999. I was looking at the 1.8T (previous version). The 3.0 Avant is a very expensive car, close to $40k by the time all is said and done. Too much for me. The 1.8T at the time was closer to $30k. I decided to save the money. The 1.8T Avant was a bit slow for my tastes. I sure could use the space, however.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 853
    Volkswagen/Audi in Massive Recall

    More than 850,000 Volkswagen and Audi vehicles --
    about 530,000 sedans and hatchbacks sold in the
    U.S. alone -- are being recalled for a faulty
    ignition coil. Volkswagen announced the recall last
    week, noting that the problem could cause spark
    plug failure and rough running, which is usually
    indicated by the vehicle's "Check Engine" light.
    Most of the cars affected carry the VW corporate
    1.8-liter turbo four (which includes the Audi A4
    and TT coupe; the VW Golf, GTI, Jetta, New Beetle
    and Passat), the 2.8-liter VR6 and the 3.0-liter
    V6 engines, as well as the VW Passat's W8.
  • The announcement from VW is NOT a recall.
    They will only replace coils on vehicles that have experienced a failure.
    My '02 VR6 24V GTI, for example is NOT eligible for this program because it has not failed - yet.

    I guess I'll have to drive it 'till it fails, or wait until they catch up with the problem units, at which point I hope the program morphs into a REAL recall - replacing ALL SUSPECTED coils.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    To fredvh and Wetwillie- Perhaps you missed my previous post# 808 on this subject.

    According to latest news: Volkwagen and Audi To Replace All Ignition Coil Parts....

    We have also have a VW Ignition Coil Problem discussion on our Maintenance & Repair board that you may want to check out. Hope this is helpful.

    Revka
    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host
  • Yes, I've read all the press releases but perhaps Frank Mcguire hasn't.
    In my letter from VW there is no mention of a proactive course of action - only replacing coils that have failed to date.

    A call to my dealer confirmed this. I was told emphatically that this was not a recall.
    If VW has ANY business sense, they will, as the press release states, replace ALL coils.

    regards,

    Will
  • markjennmarkjenn Posts: 1,142
    It's not an official NTSA mandatory safety recall, but VW is saying it wants to replace all coils whether they have failed or not. The issue is that they don't have enough to go around right now, so they are not encouraging people to replace non-failed coils yet. When supply is sufficient, then VW will proactively request that owners bring their cars in for coil replacement, failed or not.

    I think this lack of supply is the key reason VW hasn't been more pro-active or annouced their intention to replace all these coils earlier. Overall, I think they're handling this Ok - not great, but Ok.

    - Mark
  • adg44adg44 Posts: 385
    That's why they said in a "couple" of months.

    Bremi is working around the clock to make more of their coil packs to meet the demand. However, one of my "new" coil packs failed a week after it was installed - so these coil packs aren't a fix.

    VW can replace all the coil packs with these "new" ones, but they are just replacing a poorly designed part with another poorly designed one.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Sorry to hear that. Let's hope that's not going to be the case for other replacements. Good luck.

    Revka
    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    You'll now find direct links to Edmunds' 2003 VW GTI new vehicle information on the left side of this page. Also, keep your eyes open for other related articles, discussions, and tools to be added to that area.

    Revka
    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host
  • njcar1njcar1 Posts: 16
    Does Anyone know what the price for a 2002 model (GTI 1.8 manual, no options) is right now. They still have a few of those lying arround and I was wondering whether I can get one of those cheaper that the same car that's a 2003 model. Do you think they will sell it bellow invoice, by how much, or?
    How close to invoice do you think they'll sell the 2003 model?
    I would appreciate all feedback.
  • markjennmarkjenn Posts: 1,142
    I've been doing some shopping and most dealers in my area do not have any 2002's or 2003's and are selling them off the truck for MSRP. This is in contrast to Jetta's where they have hundreds sitting around and are willing to make some very good deals. I was offered invoice on a Jetta GLI, but they wouldn't budge off MSRP on a GTI.

    I don't know why there is this discrepency, but unless my situation is unusual, you probably won't be able to get near invoice on a car.

    Personally, I'd get a 2003 with a late production number and put this coil pack thing in the rear view mirror. I've put down a deposit for a 20th AE GTI and will likely pay MSRP.

    - Mark
  • I've hardly ever seen a no option GTI in my area, they all have luxury package and 17's - 02's haven't been around since third quarter of 02. GTI's fly off my dealer's lot, although they will give discounts off MSRP if you do a little haggling.
  • New to the listing. Just sold my 00 GTI VR6. I truly loved the car. Then again, I truly hated the car. It was the most fun, most "apparently" solid and well-appointed car I've owned. It always ran flawlessly. However, almost everything else not related to its ability to move was junk. The infamous power window problems persisted. The rear washer was replaced twice in a 12 month period. The rear hatch could not be opened by the key. It would occasionally open by the remote opener and sometimes by the hatch release lever. I think part of my problem is the lack of even semi-competant VW dealerships/mechanics in my area. I just plain couldn't afford to chuck out hundreds a month to keep the "little" things working on it, so the last time I put down $500 to fix a hole in the oil pan, I sold that baby. It was a sweet, sweet car, but much like having a wife and a mistress, who can afford both? Anyone else have such bittersweet experiences?
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    I haven't sold my '00 GTI GLX, but I too am tired of things going wrong. I've also had problems with an incompetent dealer. I've busted an oil pan too. Latest expense was to replace the starter motor -- they're apparently known to wear out prematurely.
  • You know, with all the bad weather and all, I really miss that car. It was solid in all weather. But then again, when the windows wouldn't go back up on a rainy day and the fragile key/remote that I replaced 3 times and the $17 for a headlight bulb (and $35 to put it in) just makes me glad I don't have all those expenses anymore. I got the car 6 mo after another guy bought it so the warranty dropped to virtually nil for me as the second owner. So at 24k miles when things started acting wacky, it was beyond the warranty period. I sure liked the looks, feel and drive of the car, but driving a conservative Honda (my 6th) just gives me peace of mind, and generally, a fatter wallet.
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    You can get the needed bulbs anywhere. But have you looked at what it takes to replace them? The low beams are a pain to replace. The high beams are worse. There's no room to get your hand in there. I replaced the lows myself, but paid my mechanic to replace the high beams. As he said, your choices are to 1) cut the heck out of your hand or 2) remove the bumper cap, then remove the entire headlight units, thus giving access to the rear of the headlight unit. Given what you have to go through to change the light bulbs, $35 isn't all that unreasonable for labor. What is unreasonable is the design...
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    How in the world were you able to reach in that far to grab the high beam bulb without tearing the heck out of your hands?
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