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Toyota Camry Road and Wind Noise

oparroparr Posts: 61
Just traded in a 1997 Camry (4Cyl LE) towards a leased 2009 Camry (4Cyl LE). I drive 52 miles a day on the highway and find the road and wind noise of the 2009 to be something awful compared to the 1997. The 1997 had gone 157,000 miles with el cheapo Goodyear Integritys and the 2009 has Michelin something or the other. Maybe the tire difference can account for the road noise but wind noise and general acoustic
isolation has taken a nose dive over the years IMO. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    Check to make sure the door windows are sealing correctly and aren't bent. Put a slip of paper across the top of the door jamb, and close the door on it. See if the paper is griped tightly, or whether you can slide the paper up and back. If the paper is gripped tightly, it's good. If the paper can be easily slid out, then the top of the door w/window needs adjusted.
  • oparroparr Posts: 61
    I'll try that. Thanks for the tip.
  • oparroparr Posts: 61
    It passed the paper test. Now convinced what was thought to be wind noise is really road noise from the tires. As I approach 30 MPH it sounds like a fan getting louder and louder, sound is consistent with something rotating and fades smoothly as speed is reduced. This is with fan off and vents closed or open.

    Also, opening a window and listening to reflections from walls and parked cars seems to confirm that the tires are the source of the sound. Tires are Michelin Energy MXV4 S8 with mixed reviews. Road noise above 50 MPH is deafening IMO. Going to take it back to the dealer.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    That's why my '01 F/awd RX300 runs on summer only Bridgestone Turanza tires all year around. Nice and quiet and comfortably riding......

    I also use NAPA SilGlyde on the door seals about once a year.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    Same tires on my '07 Camry, and they are quiet.
  • oparroparr Posts: 61
    Customer reviews on the MXV4 S8 are mixed in just about every area. Maybe there are QC issues. Mine are far from quiet.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Are these reviews from Tire Rack? Michelin is probably the best in overall quality control. I have the MXV4 S8 tires on just the rear axle of my '05 Camry and have no complaints or issues.
  • Our new 2010 Camry has severe wind noise, both driver side and passenger side. On visiting our dealer's service department we are told that's normal for this style Camry (since 2006) and there is no repair for it and none planned and we should just learn to live with it. They tell us it is the way this body style funnels the air from the corners of the windshield up a channel and past the front windows. They call it "turbulence" and not wind noise and that there is no air penetrating the cabin. Maybe so, but it is still very annoying.

    We've had a 2002 Camry since 2001 and it has no such defect and we love it. Guess we just assumed that the newer Camry's would have the same or better quality. Not so in regard to this defect. Looks like Toyota would have fixed this problem by now and provided it to the field as a repair kit maybe.

    Yes, we have high expectations of Toyota, but that's what they have built their reputation on, and their vehicles are generally superior. We'd hate to see Toyota now start losing ground as the US makers did over time. That's how they did it. One little defect at a time. Toyota and their Deming concepts know better than to let something like this cause customer dissatisfaction. By the way, neither the new Ford Fusion and Taurus, nor the Buick Lucerne has this problem. Wish there were a better answer for us. We'll have to sell it if we can't learn to "live with it" as suggested.

    We are in touch with Toyota via their Corp. 800-331-4331 number and have a “case #”. They are “researching” the issue. Will keep you posted.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Sounds like dealer BS to me; I'd recommend test driving one or more other 2009-2010 Camrys to see if there's any difference compared to yours.

    Wind noise though, like water leaks, squeaks, and rattles, is hard to pin down and harder yet to fix. Good luck.
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    I can't speak for everyone with a 4cyl LE but I test drove a 2010 XLE V6 a few weeks ago and it was quiet at a church mouse in the cabin when I test drove it; the test drive lasted for about 15 minutes and we drove on back roads, US highway, and a interstate during the test drive and it was quiet in all situations; remember though that a 4 cyl engine is always more noisy than a 6cyl and according to consumer guide there is a little more insulation in the XLE which makes it quieter so if someone is looking for a quieter model I'd look into the XLE - just my two cents
  • petras2petras2 Posts: 104
    I rented a 09 4cyl le several weeks ago, drove it several hundred miles at highway speeds and was impressed with the overall quietness.. Recommend you test drive another 09 and compare with yours to rule out any other possible reasons..
  • Ours is an XLE and it is not quite - for sure. Even the dealer service folks agree it's not quite on their test drives - it's wind turbulence and it is designed in according to them.
  • oparroparr Posts: 61
    Based on the car(s) you are already used to. The '09 4 Cyl LE I leased was less refined in just about all areas compared to the '97 4 Cyl LE I turned in. After complaining, one person at the dealership asked me whether that '97 was assembled in Japan and yes it was. Go figure.

    The '09 suffers from more wind, road and rain noise. Yes, rain noise....Heck, it sounds like someone is popping corn during anything beyond a drizzle. However, the road noise is exacerbated by the POS Michelin tires Toyota chose for better MPG.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    Just about all the reviews vs. other cars in this class show the Camry to be one of the quietest cars in this class.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,004
    The '09 suffers from more wind, road and rain noise

    I haven't really noticed that problem on mine. However, I think they have cheapened up the materials like everyone else.
  • oparroparr Posts: 61
    Take a look at the wonderful acoustic insulation in the trunk. A joke compared to my '97 and my wife's '96.

    Normal;
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  • Worse still, not only does your Camry have the noise you described but my 2008 Lexus 350 (same body style as the Camry) had the same noise. I was really disappointed that Lexus produced a car that had the noise you described. I tried my best to get rid of the noise and could not do it so I got rid of the car.
  • I'm still looking for people who have experienced wind turbulence on their 2006 -2010 Camry's. My encouragement is to write letters and send emails to Toyota Corp. urging them to look harder at the problem and hopefully create a retrofit to reduce or fix the turbulence issue. It is designed in and no amount of adjustments or new rubber molding is going to fix it. If you hate this problem but love the rest of your Camry, ask Toyota to do something about it. So far all I'm getting is lip service and apologies.. It can be improved if they get enough pressure to do it. Let me know if you need phone numbers and addresses.
  • Sorry to hear that.

    I have not paid attention to this topic before and was pretty much set to buy XLE V6 which I test drove 4 hours ago. After driving on highway 50-70 mph wind noise was so loud on both sides (driver and passenger) that we walked away from the deal at the end and feel very good that we DID so. I really think it has more to do with body shape, mirror location than anything else. It reminded of 1997 Blazer I owned while ago. Oh man, I was glad when that car was gone ....

    The car we were attempting to replace was 2001 Avalon XL with 90K.Super quiet comparing to XLE. You can hear mosquito on the back window when driving.

    I guess it all depends where you are coming from. When I made the transition from Blazer to Avalon, it was like going to heaven. I guess if you own a "blazer" now, you may think this is normal. I definitely do not want to go back ....
  • jefarljefarl Posts: 2
    almost purchased a new 2010 camry XLE today and then lowered the back window and the noise was unbearable at around 25mpg. Either back window or both. Sounded like something was flapping around. If you lower the front window it decreases somewhat. If the rear window(s) is partially open, less of an issue. Salesman said that was caused by the design of the air flow?? tracks or something? Said to drive with windows closed.... ha
    My 2000 camry does not have this issue. Has anyone esle found the problem to be annoying to the max??
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