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2010 VW Golf

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,602
    was nearby, so I stopped to see the golf today. Pretty crappy supply, a strippo manual 2 door, and same car with the AT. Both white.

    and, the sales dude said feb/march for a TDI (this is in NJ). Sounds like the old plan of "try to sell 'em what we got on the lot"!

    anyway, some nice upgrades over the prior model (I only sat and poked, did not drive). Good seats, lots of room, nice dash, etc.

    couple of notes:

    - Sat in a 4 door 2010 GTI (nice car, 6 speed). Amazing the room and comfort in the back seat.
    - decent space in the trunk, tons of room with the seats folded. Can't beat a box for space utilization!
    - the 2 door without an armrest was horrible. That would be a must add. I think it was a dumb move to shave what, $15 off the sticker to skip this?
    -the 2.5l gets really lousy EPA mileage for a car this small.

    anyway, If I go back to 90miles/day commute soon, a TDI 4 door would be a very nice package to do it in. I can even fit my 80lb. dog in the back with one of the seat folded.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,602
    just scoped out a pricing report. Man, this little puppy ain't cheap.

    a TDI 4 door with only the DSG and moonroof is $25,500+. With no discounts likely, not a cheap way to get better mielage!

    too bad the 2.5l is such a lump and not particularly economical. Would be nice if they had a modern 4 cyl (2.0-2.3l) instead.

    that, and put it on a diet...

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    Stopped by to see the new Golf today. They only had a stripped 2 door with manual in stock. The salesman told me they got one 4 door TDI with DSG and it was sold before it got there. I told him VW gassers have no interest for me. I did look closer at the Touareg TDI and that is about all. It is a lot smaller than my Sequoia.
  • No go on the snowboard through the trunk passthrough.. It doesn't fit through the passthrough to the trunk/hatch area:
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    Guess VW's engineers are more the ski types.
    I got it in by folding down one back seat... technically room for four adults, but not comfortably since some one is stuck in the middle. It is a big snowboard though... 160cm x 32 cm (64" x 13") But then again.. if All four people have snow boards.. it's a no go.
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  • eliaselias Posts: 1,837
    bingosabi, thanks so much for the ski/snowboard tests, and with photos too!
    Very kind of you. Your results show me exactly what I wanted - I can fold down
    half the rear seat if need be.. So including myself I can bring 3 skiers/snowboarders no problemo.
    And yeah, sorry for my pointless little nitpick on "hatch release" vs "trunk release". :)
    Have fun on the slopes this year! :)
  • i've had the car a week and the backup lights aren't working. gotta take it to the dealer already :(
  • the 2.5l gets really lousy EPA mileage for a car this small

    see this is where i disagree with you and other folks. look at the 2.5 mazda 3. similiar hp, less torque, and one less cylinder and its rated at LESS mpg at 22/29. and the weight is about the same. why is it that everyone gets up in arms about the golf/rabbit, but not about larger engined cars like the mazda 3 or the 2.4 corolla?

    and none of those cars offer a 40mpg car like the tdi thats actually peppy. (they offer them without the pep.)
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,602
    It is still lousy mileage for a car this small (those others are actually bigger).

    Plus, the point you missed, the mazda and toyota also offer a base engine which gets notably better MPG. The S mazda is the sports car of the range, and I doubt the take rate on the 2.4l Corolla is very high.

    even the mini has a base NA engine to go along with the higher output motor.

    I would be very happy to see VW come out with an ~2.0l NA motor with al lthe state of the art goodies on it that should blow away the 2.5l ileage, smoothness, and prbably match it's performance. And weigh less too!

    now, the 1.4l twin charger set up cold be an interesting alternative to the TDI for power/mileage...

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • eliaselias Posts: 1,837
    I owned the mini with the base engine for a while, but only drove it a couple times since the CVT was so incredibly annoying.
    It got horrid mpg for such a small car . About 26 mpg.
  • I "ordered" a Golf TDI about 2 months ago, right when ordering was opened. Here's what I'm told today by my Atlanta dealer:

    "As of right now VWAG who owns us over here in the US has not released any of the recently ordered Golf's for production. Don't really know why at this point, we have not heard back from anyone in regards to an informed answer to that question. Hope to have at least some info on the subject soon. Your Rabbit (sic) is still sitting in the accepted order status "awaiting production" if you would.

    At least we are 1 month ahead of people placing an order now, as a line is starting to form."
  • I was on a waitlist from he_ _ . I got on one early august. my local dealer advised that she wasn't sure she'd see my car until spring at the earliest. i found a similarly configured TDI (minus the Xenons and exact color I wanted) and I jumped on it at another dealer. they hadn't even had it on the lot..it was enroute from texas when I put a deposit down. i recommend calling around and finding a dealer who doesn't have a waitlist to see if they have something you'd like coming in. my dealer told me she will be lucky to see a total of 12 TDI Golfs in the next year. It just isn't profitable for VW to put the TDI engine in a GOLF body...they make a great deal more on the Jetta and Sportwagens.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    My local VW dealer has delivered at least one Golf TDI. Unless they were lying to me. No reason for them to do that.
  • I don't think your dealer is lying but from what I've seen each dealer is only getting 1-2 per month TOTAL. Obviously this isn't enough to fulfill demand.
  • My dealership got allocation for ONE Golf TDI, which is scheduled to arrive in March, so some orders do get released for production.
    That is in addition to two launch cars that were assigned to us by VW.
  • I placed a deposit on a Golf TDI last week. The dealer doesn't expect to get more than 1 every 3 months. According to the dealer I probably won't see mine until May/June.
  • I do not have any inside information on the 2010 Golf TDIs. I strongly suspect that VWoA has loaded up the TDIs with the nav system and lots of other goodies because they cannot make a profit selling a base model. I am not sure if they profit from the 2.5-liter Golfs, no one else gets that engine so maybe it's produced in Mexico and shipped to Europe for assembly, and that enables them to sell those Golfs for a slight profit. At any rate, if there was a lot of profit to be made, VW would be building more and shipping more to North America.

    The cost of ownership does not include what the car costs when new but it does include how much value it loses in the first three or five years. If you think the demand for 2010 Golf TDIs is much greater than the supply right now, then it should continue in future years -- if you can find one for around MSRP now, then you should lose very little value and your cost of ownership could be extremely low. If the dollar keeps losing value, you might even be able to sell your 2010 Golf TDI for more than it cost when new, if the only alternative is to pay $30k or more for a 2014 model.
  • dwpcdwpc Posts: 159
    TDIs (and competing hybrids) already require a large premium that few buyers will ever recoup in fuel savings. Gas would have to go far higher than last year's gouge to allow the TDI to even break even vs a gas engine after several years. If the euro rise drives the US price of a TDI much higher, I think its more likely that the TDI will again disappear from this market.
  • I think we will get more VW TDIs built in the US or Mexico. But that should have no effect on the resale value of 2010 Golf TDIs. If they are hard to find now, then they will be rare and highly sought after in future years, so the resale value should be super-high.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,690
    I think you are missing the main reason many would buy the Golf TDI over the gas version. Mileage is a big factor. To me it is in the driving of the diesel vs a small gas engine. Unless you get the GTI which is more expensive than the diesel, the standard gas engine just does not have what it takes. What ever you put in at the start you will get back when you sell. Probably even a bigger spread than the gas version. I see no reason to own a gas VW. And a hybrid like the Prius is strictly for those with no desire to enjoy the driving.
  • puffin1puffin1 Posts: 276
    Why do some reviewers say ,that you can't get a sunroof with the base version golf it'a listed under options, along with heated seats and chome exhaust. I don't want 17" wheels i'll buy some alloys from Tirerack.com :confuse:
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