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Integra Type R's, Celica GTS, Prelude Sh, Eclipse GT, Which car is better

gqlangjaigqlangjai Posts: 6
edited March 9 in Acura
Hi, im in the market for a new car.. I am looking
for great performance. But not pricey on the
insurance. I also require some room for me since i
am 6 foot 3. I am currently looking around and i
have narrowed it down to these cars. if anyone has
test drove them or has any comments or suggestions
please post..
thanks
the cars are the
integra type r
celica GT-s
Prelude Sh
Eclipse GT
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Comments

  • gqlangjai-
    you said your looking for great performance, and out of the 4 cars the type R is the one. its got plenty of room since its a hatchback. however insurance is another thing. insurance for a tpye R would be high.

    for some, the type R would be too much on the performance side. a great performace/daily driver car would be the prelude. it handles very well and provides more comfort.oh and if you do decide to get the prelude, get the base model. the SH is over priced if you compare the 2 trims.

    sorry, but the new eclipse in my opinion is just a failure. i dont like the look. but even worse, the eclipse lost the turbo which takes all the fun out of it.

    look into the celica. i havent test driven that car yet. im sure it performs well. however that car is way too light for me. and its soo small.

    tell us what you decide on
  • spnxspnx Posts: 37
    According to the information on Edmunds, the Type R Integra is 2600 lbs, and the Celica GT-S is 2500 lbs. That's only a 100 lb difference, so you'd really have to say well, the Type R is also way too light and small, just like the Celica.

    OTOH, light and small can be good! My two cars are 2500 and 2000 lbs :-)
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    Well, you probably won't fit in the Celica GT-S because most of them come with sunroofs, or you could fit but you 'll me like me and my GSR that hit my head in the ceiling every time I hit a big bump.. :-)
    I 'm 6'2 and I fit in the Type-R just fine with about 1.5-2" headroom left.
    Don't like the Eclipse but you should be able to fit in the Prelude just fine.
    All are pretty good cars but the best performing one is the Type-R but then again you 'll probably never take full advantage of that car's capabilities on the street unless you autocross race or take it to a real track. You need to push the car to get its Limited Slip Differential to work. Just test drive all of them and make your own decision. The Eclipse should be a little less reliable than the others and have a lower resale value.. but if you fit better in that car then what can I say..
  • roadroachroadroach Posts: 131
    I agree with only1harry when he says "test drive all of them and make your own decision". I'm 6'1" and drive a GTS with the sunroof. Don't have any problem with headroom but its a pretty good drop to get in. I know the stats I posted before for the GTS were w/o the sunroof; I don't know about the others (sunroof standard on GS-R, Type-R?). Another thing I've found through personal experience with several cars: stats can be very deceiving. Just because a car list XX" for legroom/headroom etc. doesn't necessary mean you will fit in Car A better than Car B. If you can't test drive each, AT LEAST sit in each one on the showroom. Test things like control locations, ease of adjusting seat/mirrors, etc. I must commend you (6'3") for at least taking the time to LOOK at this class of car. Most people your size would just automatically assume they wouldn't fit and start looking at a SUV or some such.
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    Speaking as one vertically challenged myself, I second (or third or... ) the suggestion that you try them all and see what fits. I had four cars on my list when I ended up getting another VW Golf. It was the one that fit me best. If you like to drive and you plan to do it often, feeling comfortable is essential in my book.

    carlady/host
  • roadroachroadroach Posts: 131
    I can't believe we've got a topic like this and we've gone this far without lobbing a few shells.

    OK, I'll start.......

    Type-R's are two much money and u can't dicker on the $$$ because therz not enuf outthere and 'ludes look funny unless u put on a huge honkin' wing and they got like a trunk 'stead of a hatch and the Mitsus look like grand ams wot wit the plastik on the side and all dat dont matta cuz my new GTS RUUUUULLLLLZZZZZZ!!!!!

    (pant, pant, pant)

    OK, I'm done. Now where did I put my meds.....?
  • well i basically test drove all of them...
    one thing was i couldnt get the integra type r so the dealer let me drive in a Gsr. i think...
    well first off the integra was ok.. but after seeing it over and over and over again the body just didnt look good. it was getting annoying staring at those 4 lights in the front of the car
    then went to the prelude... it was actually quite comfortable.. i fit perfectly.. it was very luxurious.. everything seemed to fit into my hand..
    and the acceleration was pretty good...
    the eclipe felt a little tooo heavy.. and just had a hard time enjoying it...
    the celica. barely fit... my legs kepy hitting the steering column..
    but the ride was nice and everything felt good. i currently own a hyundai and it is very cramped so i could live with the interior.. even slept in my car a couple of times too..
    i guess i got it narrowed to the prelude and the celica.
    i was also wondering are there alot of aftermarket products for the two..?
    performance enhancing as well as body.
    well thanks for the input
    and btw
    any other suggestions for cars?
  • Sorry couldn't resist. Anyone who spells rules with a z and without a e has to be flogged. Proper english is a lost art I think. Anyway, every single one of those cars has it's "best" quality - you just have to figure out which one is for you. The lude offered me the most room with one of the best I4's in the business so that's the one I went with.
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    No need to lob any shells, I've got the fire extinguisher ready to roll. :-)

    carlady/host
  • does anyone think that the new mr2 spyder will be roomy or able to fit me?...
    i really liked the miata. the downside is that i couldnt even get in. would this be the same with the mr2?
  • does anyone think that the new mr2 spyder will be roomy or able to fit me?...
    i really liked the miata. the downside is that i couldnt even get in. would this be the same with the mr2?
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    Are there other hatchbacks to consider?

    carlady/host
  • Anyone interested in the Celica GTS performance should check out the video Best Motoring from Japan. It shows the performance of the Celica GTs or Celica SS II as they call it in Japan. It demonstrates the quarter mile vs. the civic type R and IS 300 (Altezza). And at the end of the demonstration they put several cars together for a 3 lap race against the Integra type R, Civic type R, S2000, and IS300 manual. Here is the address, I hope this works, if not start on goto.com and look for Best Motoring.

    http://www.goto.com/d/sr?xargs=00u3hs9yoahSumGpxqaqgGlOZEyWV6KfkZqbklxYmpIClA1bVBxICSotS82yL8lIL0nMzS1NTihCKWvRZO5mambkauro5mLi5uECaNi5LU8xPz8m0KgJNpRubn5JdlF6XmnENqowSUBRZw0gAJOOCMLw%3D%3D
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    tmc1688's post is hidden above because it contains a link that skews our screen view. To read the post, just click on "Hidden."

    carlady/host
  • qwordqword Posts: 20
    I'm with Carlady(post #14) isn't there one more hatchback that people could maybe consider? I know that most mags gave the GTI a bum rap when compared to these other cars, but it's still a pretty fast little car with an incredible amount of torque that lets you achieve high speeds without having to push the car nearly to it's limits.
  • ipoipo Posts: 6
    The power curve on the GTS is still ugly - Toyota has a ways to go before VVTiL can match the performance of VTEC.

    The Type R is simply in a class of its own, although the GSR and GTS are fairly comparable in terms of overall performance.
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    The Type-R remains the king of FW sports cars.

    Motortrend TV did a roadtest of a '00 ITR on Speedvision cable station and it looks like they finally learned how to drive a VTEC car.
    The results:

    0-60 in 6.2s!!
    1/4mi - 14.8s!!

    They were supposed to compare it to the Celica
    GT-S but they didn't. They 're supposed to do the GT-S on the next TV show.. don't know when.
    These roadtests will also be published in Motortrend magazine in the next month or two.
    The Celica will never get these #s.. nor will the Eclipse..
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Qword:
    Pushing these high revvers is all the fun they're talked about. Golf VR6 would give more low end power but it cannot rev and handle like 'em, not forgetting how its shifter compares.
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    Very well put.
    I agree with you on most of the points you made but another reason I avoid the Celica is because it's the smallest of the bunch. It reminds me of my '90 Geo Storm too much. I parked right next to one in a shopping center and my GSR looked about 20% bigger! This is how Toyota achieved the light weight, by reducing the overall size of the car.
    The Type-R by no means to me would be like a weekend car and I wouldn't use it for every day commute unless your job or school is like under 10 mi. away. Although it sounds awesome and powerful (actually better than that but I don't have the words to describe it) under moderate to heavy acceleration, it is too loud for every day use and the average commuter. It can get addicting driving the car though and it doesn't bother the serious enthousiast who bought it purely for its performance. I get goose bumps when I floor the gas pedal in the ITR. It's music to my ears :-) and I like its agility even better.
    It truly is a very well balanced machine that you need to take to the track to appreciate it and explore its limits. Although I have taken 90 deg. turns with it at 40mph and have crossed 3 lanes in an instant at 100+mph (and back to the originating lane, hehe) on the highway like it was nothing, it is nowhere near its limits which are difficult to reach on regular roads with other cars (& cops) around..
    BTW, Autoweek said there will only be 1 Integra for '01 and it will be the Type-R with a 2.0L 217hp powerplant. It will be more readily available and mass produced but may not carry the "R" name. I guess they 're looking to brake the 6s mark?
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I am hoping that they make Integra coupe/sedan the IS200/300 basher with FR setup with 2.0 (some for USA, great for Japan/Europe) as well as a small V6 (2.5-2.8 liter), with auto as well as manual transmissions, and keep Prelude as affordable, small engine, light weight FF sports coupe/car. And keep Civic Si/SiR/Type-R going for the young like it is, now.
  • Scrap all of the aforementioned cars and buy a Ford Focus ZX3. That's right. Read the reviews. Better yet drive one. I bought a G60 Corrado back in 1990. My son's new ZX3 reminds me so much of that car. 0-60 6.9 sec / 17.1 sec 1/4 mile. Better yet 30mpg @1.40 gallon. Ford has built a winner. I am not saying the Focus is comparable to the likes of a Type R, Celica etc. BUT, invest the other 14K! Worth thinking about.
  • What are ya smokin? It's a fine car but could you direct me to the article that says it does 6.9 and 17.1? It simply doesn't generate enough torque to do that... Ford released numbers of upwards of 9 for 0-60 which falls in line with what a car in its class can do. Do not buy this car if you want a fast car
  • First of all I don't smoke anything. Second of all, put your pipe down... grab yourself the February 2000 Edition of 'Automobile Magazine'(one of the most highly regarded automotive magazines in print today). They named the Focus ZX3 'Car of the Year'...OH and on page 68 it lists the 6.9 0-60 time and the 17.1 1/4 mile time. By the way i own one. Go test drive one and then you tell me. You've got alot to learn.
  • nutypenutype Posts: 15
    Has to be a typeo because how can a car go 0-60 faster then a GSR but go the quarter mile like a caravan.
  • For what you get - it's a great car - not bad handling - not bad acceleration. I never questioned the quality of it - you don't win car of the year awards from several different magazines without something to back it up. I just wanted to clarify that it doesn't belong in this category. Civic DX and EX, ZX3, Golf are all candidates if your into those cars. I might also mention that the imports are more fuel efficient at a normal pace than the ford - just thought I'd let you know.
  • prelude 5-gen
    where did you get those numbers for the prelude? just wondering. cuz the lowest 1/4 mile time ive seen was like a 15.4.
    and what model, base or SH?
    thanks

    oh and one more question, but a bit off topic.

    my friend keeps telling me that his 99 Civic Si can beat a prelude Type SH. considering both stock
    i keep telling him no. am right rite?
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I'd say you're. It'd also depend on the drivers though, but considering them both equal, Prelude SH will be faster all the way.
  • According to this edition of Road and Track the VW GTI is faster than almost all the cars mentioned here.

    Celica 0-60 6.8 sec
    Eclipse 0-60 7.0 sec
    Integra GS-R 0-60 7.2 sec

    VW GTI 0-60 6.8 sec

    In the 1/4 mile too...

    Celica 15.4 sec
    Eclipse 15.3 sec
    Integra GS-R 15.6 sec

    VW GTI 15.3 sec

    I must admit I own one, so I am a litle biased, but I drove them all and read everything I could before making my purchase.

    I really am in love with this little car, so far and think that there is nothing like the feel of a German auto. If you can't afford a Porsche the GTI is a must drive and best of all, you won't see thousands of cars that look just like yours!
  • Good grief, I see this on EVERY SINGLE message board where cars are compared. Is there anything else you all appreciate about your cars except that it can go .001 seconds faster than another ? Comparing magazine times like this is ridiculous. I'm outta here.
  • navy4navy4 Posts: 44
    Just how fast is .01 of a second. Who cares, do you like the car?
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