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Chrysler Town and Country EX/LX/LXi/Limited

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  • grh7grh7 Posts: 10
    Cgaydos – I’m not sure this is the explanation to what you are observing but here goes. On my 2001 T&C with 3 zone A/C, I noticed what could be interpreted as the A/C running all the time even with A/C not selected. The folks who design the system gave the following explanation. In a commonly occurring driving condition:
    - Rain or damp roadway
    - Stop and go traffic
    - Temperature not high enough to require the engine cooling fans (just behind the radiator) to be on all the time
    The moisture will turn to steam when it hits the hot engine and can bellow out the front end when the vehicle is standing still. Since there is nothing wrong with the vehicle, they did not want the driver to become unduly concerned and therefore the fans are turned on to blow whatever steam is created under the vehicle. The fans are controlled by a solid state relay that allows the fan speed to be varied. At slower speeds, the fan noise is high enough that I thought the compressor was on.
    If this is not what you’re seeing, could you provide more information. Model year of your T & C. What leads you to believe the compressor is always on? And, any other information you deem important.
    As to the A/C symbol - it is illuminated when the A/C has been selected with the A/C button. Pushing the button will turn off the A/C and the symbol should turn off.
  • dwgutwirdwgutwir Posts: 60
    I'll second Drew's reply that 40-45 PSI is too high. The recommened pressure on the Michelins on out LXi is either 35 or 38 PSI.
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    I say a post that you work for DC ? I to work for DC at the Brampton LH plant . Nice to see other DC people on these boards.
  • gvahegvahe Posts: 8
    Hello Again to GRH7,

    Thanks very much for the info. I am happy to see employees from DC monitoring this board and getting questions answered that not the average (Or even above average) dealer could answer!!

    My hobby is Car Electronics. Im facinated by Data Aqc ETC. I swear--the main reason I opted for the Limited T+C is because of the MUCH COOLER trip computer. (EVIC)

    I even bought a programmable OBDII scan tool.

    Im hoping you can help me further----Im looking for the commands it takes to aquire the Enhanced Powertrain Data over the OBDII interface. I know its not something the average person would care about, so I doubt its in the service manual.

    Would you have any Idea how I could obtain this data? I know I could buy an EXPENSIVE scan tool and reverse engineer, but I would like to avoid that expense (Since its only for my purpose)

    THANKS for any information you can provide. If you would like to take this off line, I can provide some contact info for you (For me)

    Anything you could do would be MUCH APPRECIATED!!

    SIncerely
    Gerald Vahe
  • cgaydoscgaydos Posts: 116
    Thanks for the help. I have a 2001 T&C Ltd. The situation I'm describing occurs when the climate control (CC) is in auto mode. At this time the AC symbol is always illuminated. Obviously, I can turn the AC symbol off by touching the AC button, but this takes the CC out of auto mode.

    When the CC is in auto mode I have yet to see the AC symbol NOT be illuminated. Granted, the lowest outside temperature I've seen in that time is probably 55F, but even by adjusting the temperature for all three zones to the highest position I can't get the AC button to stop illuminating.

    Why I believe the compressor is on. I could be wrong, but first, at the end of the trip I see water under the car consistent with condensation from the AC. Second, except when the temp is set to the highest setting some of the vents feel like at least part of the air output is AC (AC air not only cools but also dehumidifies).

    Any thoughts? Given that we're in July this is not a pressing issue.
  • gvahegvahe Posts: 8
    Hello,

    My 2k1 Limted does the same. I do notice the compressor cycling. The compressor clutch is VERY QUIET so maybe you just dont notice its cycling.

    Also--Ive had about 4 cars now with Auto Climate control, and they all behaved the same way. The AC is ON when in Auto Mode, but the computer determines if the compressor is needed.

    Hope this helps, but I wouldnt worry. It sounds completely normal.

    -gerry
  • ingramwd2ingramwd2 Posts: 15
    Let me first thank you so much for all the valuable info you have provided here. DC should be very proud of employees like you especially as their dealers and customer assistance (at least in Canada) staff are not much of a help to customers.

    My '01 T&C LTD has the button to toggle between total and trip distance on the instrument panel odometer. But there is no reset button for trip distance as in my previous GC. Is it because this function is available on the overhead console/trip computer? Is this normal? Just curious...

    I too posted a message about a couple of months ago re: AC symbol and compreesor cycling as described by cgaydos. Thanks to gvahe too for the explanation. Guess I shouldn't worry?

    Also, this is the first vehicle I've seen without factory-installed battery terminal covers. All the '01 vans at my dealer didn't have these. Wonder how much is DC trying to save...

    Thanks a lot again!
  • dave210dave210 Posts: 238
    I wondered about that too until I figured out all you have to do is hold down the trip toggle button for about 5 seconds and the trip will then reset.
  • dsoiamdsoiam Posts: 32
    Those who replied were right. I was looking at the sidewalls which do actually say Max psi 45. But, following advice, I looked at the door well and see 36 psi. I fixed it just now. This, of course, throws off the mileage calcs I've been watching carefully.

    Yet, your replies raise another question: why did everyone replying have michelins while I have goodyears? Maybe its just that I have an LX.

    Anybody gotten and installed the rear spoiler?

    Anything special that I should monitor these first 30 days? I've looked at the manual and it basically says "don't gun the engine from standstill and don't slam on the brakes for 3000 miles". This is fine.

    But, what about any oil additives or higher/lower octane gas in the first 1000 miles? Just wondering.

    No 2100 rpm resonance that I note. No roof rack howl that I notice.

    I do feel very very very slight vibration in the engine/trans at around 1800 rpm though. But, nothing that I'd write home about.

    Oh, mine was manufactured in April, so even though I just bought it two days ago with 13 miles (mileage from when I picked it up for the test drive) I'm having to call in to the 1.800.853.1403 number to check on recall info.

    Thanks,

    D
  • dsoiamdsoiam Posts: 32
    I see that previous discussions have included seating arrangements in the T&C. I also see one suggesting dealer switching (post #1022), as well as one asking about how much a post-purchase rear bench or Quad chair would cost (post #1041). Anybody know or want to comment on that?

    2 questions:

    1). The dealer seatswap: Is that only something considered on the LTD? I actually came out and asked a dealer about it when I was looking and he said they couldn't do it (new) because of soem legal VIN number configuration thing.

    2. Speculation on cost of obtaining a post-purchase Quad or split bench? Where would one be found if possible?

    Thanks,

    D
  • dsoiamdsoiam Posts: 32
    Oh, and I purchased a maint package that involves unlimited life-time oil changes as long as I provide or pay for the filter. Anyone know where to get the best filter for a Town & Country? And, what kind would be recommended?

    Also, looking under the hood today, I too saw that sticker mentioning not 2 but 3 engines on the vehicle (adding the 3.5). I would think that D-C will go ahead and do that engine in 2002. It sounds as if they were very close.

    And, for those without leather but with seat covers: where'd you get them and at what cost? I think they'll come in handy witht he children.

    Thanks, again,

    D
  • ingramwd2ingramwd2 Posts: 15
    Thanks for your help!

    Does yours have battery terminal covers?

    Cheers!
  • cgaydoscgaydos Posts: 116
    1. Dealer swap. I've done this twice, once in '94 (replacing 2nd row bench-with-child-seats with 2nd row quads) and in '01 (replace 3rd row splits with 3rd row full bench). I've had dealers say this is not possible due to VIN issues (the seat configuration is on the sticker), but upon realizing that I wouldn't buy any cars in stock both decided a switch was possible.

    For '01, there definitely is a trim line issue. Different trim lines have different seats so you couldn't, for example, swap a Ltd full bend for an LXi split bench.

    2. Speculation on cost? $800+?
  • Hello all!! I am 5'2" and I want to purchase a new car pretty soon. I really would like to get a van and the one I like is the chrysler town and country. I was just wondering if any of you guys that have one and have had experience with one are as short as me. The biggest problem I have is if I put the seat all the way up the steering wheel is in my chest and my head is on the roof. So if any short people like me have a town and country could you please email me at cgallup7@yahoo.com and tell me how you fit in it Thank You
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,866
    While waiting for responses, you may want to browse through this archived discussion titled "Minivan for short people."

    That power lift gate sounds like it would come in handy too.

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  • gvahegvahe Posts: 8
    Hello,

    My wife is about 5' even. We testdrove both the Windstar (With Adjustable pedals) and the T+C Limited.

    Even with the adjustable pedals in the WindStar, my wife says she feels MUCH MORE comfortable driving the T+C. (Thats what we bought!)

    She still sits a good distance away from the AirBag.

    So far---its been a pleasure to drive! (Except for the Gas Mileage!!)
    -gerry
  • dwgutwirdwgutwir Posts: 60
    I'll get them all in one message.....latest post replied to first.

    shortlady25 - my wife is 5'1" and has no difficulty in our T&C LXi. She's more comfortable and can reach the controls more easily than in her last ride (an '98 Isuzu Rodeo which is smaller inside). I'd also recommend the power liftgate. For the best seating possibilities, you probably want to pick a trim level that includes the power drivers seat as its much easier to position the seat and has wider range of possibilities than a non-power seat.

    dsoiam - the tires are probably due to trim level. My LXi has the touring package and the 29U which is probably why we have the Michelins.

    No need to run higher octane than required. If you feel like paying for premium fuel, it won't hurt. You also shouldn't add any additives to the fuel or oil. Most of the additives recommended by the dealer are just that, recommended by the dealer.

    More than likely, the 3.5 liter motor is dead forever (unless sales really pick up).
  • grh7grh7 Posts: 10
    The battery terminal covers were an engine compartment dress item that was eliminated beginning with the 2001 Model. Since it has no impact on the performance or durability of the vehicle, it was deleted to help hold vehicle pricing.
    As dwgutwir reports, premium fuel is not required. The extensive use of sensors on today's engines allow the use of lower octane fuels. I frequently fill up my 2001 T&C with 86 octane and get an average MPG of over 20 with no degradation of performance.
  • grh7grh7 Posts: 10
    gvahe - The commands you seek are only available to the development engineering community. Altering any of the code could easily make the vehicle non-complient with existing Federal emission standards and could even cause damage to the engine/transmission. As such, I would advise you to not attempt any changes to the code.
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    I have the rear spoiler and the running boards on my 01 T&C ltd. I bought them from the dealer and took them to a body shop to have them installed. The job took about 3 hrs.
  • gvahegvahe Posts: 8
    GRH7,

    By no means do I want to alter ANY data. I only want to View Data. There is a whole bunch of data such as: (Which are all read only)

    Would there be any way to get some data on how to get this?

    Total Fuel Used Gallons
    Total Idle Fuel Used Gallons
    Total Idle Time Hours
    Trip Complete Flag
    Trip Fuel Used Gallons
    Trip Idle Fuel Used Gallons
    Trip Idle Time Hours
  • thank you for all the help i think i am going to head out to the chrysler dealer and take a look at them. One last question did chrysler change the seating position when they did that remodel this year.
  • dsoiamdsoiam Posts: 32
    For your spoiler running boards answer. I've actually been reading back on this Town and Country board today and saw in January when you bought the running boards. I was going to ask you about that installation.

    Can I ask how much they cost? And, how much did you pay for the spoiler (chrysler catologue says $270)? And, how much for each install?

    Did you look at the spoiler? Would it have been easy enough to install yourself if you had wanted to? I installed a spoiler in my previous car pretty easily (I took my time and was careful not to mess up anything). I'm thinking of buying a spoiler and trying my hand at it. I really think it would enhance the van.

    Thanks, again,

    D
  • dsoiamdsoiam Posts: 32
    I went to the dealer today to look at some parts and looked at all the vans they had. It was obvious that LXs are goodyears. I'm sure the ride is smoother and quieter with michelins but, it must really be like driving on cotton because the present ride is so nice.

    Also, in looking back over messages, I see that not many people mention buying an LX. Most people writing here (if not all) have LTDs or LXis. Maybe the LX buyer either aren't as excited or their excitment is calmed by all the vocal upscale buyers.

    I also see that most seem to be leasers (affording more van per dollar) versus me buying outright, which speaks to me buying a lowly LX.

    Anyway, I really like my lowly LX. A nice van is a nice van regardless of trim. I was looking at structure, features for the money, and fit and finish. You can't beat the T&C for those. I thought about the Honda, but one day, I looked in one parked beside me and was kind of disappointed with simply how it looked from inside.

    And, I had to aim at keeping my costs down because . . . . . .

    I'll probably be buying another van next year.

    Not that I am just fascinated by vans, but really, I do like this van. And, I do have to get rid of another car. And, I do need child space. And, I like the ride better than SUVs. So, why not jus have two vans?

    So, I went for the LX. May go for something else next spring.

    Anyway, thanks all,

    D
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    I was going to put the spoiler on by myself but it wasn't as easy as those put on the trunk plus I needed to buy a couple of drill bits. Since I needed to have somebody to install the running boards I just let them do all the work. I don't remember how much I paid for the spoiler but I am sure I didn't pay the retail price. I got the sales to give me the invoice price on accessories on the day I bought the van. As for the installation, I think I paid about $200 for the whole job.
  • trstno1trstno1 Posts: 1
    Has anyone heard when the 2002 models will arrive, and if the priice will go up?

    If not, does anyone remember when the 2001's came out?
  • darnbusydarnbusy Posts: 5
    It does seem that most posters on this board have bought either an LXI or a Limited, but I don't think that makes the LX lowly.
    For myself, after owning a van with cloth seats for 8 years, there was absolutely no way I was going to get a new van with cloth seats again. Leather may be considered an upgrade by some, but for my lifestyle it's far more practical than cloth. Plus, it seems that of the 4 dealerships I visited, they were way more overstocked in Limiteds, and willing to deal. I got mine for $2000 below invoice,and the 1.9% financing. I'm happy.
  • mjcocciamjcoccia Posts: 1
    To Shortlady25: Just to add to the kudos the T&C has gotten from others, my wife is 5'2" as well and is now 8 1/2 months pregnant and sitting farther back than ever before. She has never mentioned any difficulty in reaching any of the pedals or controls and really likes our T&C alot. Power seats are ok, although I bet that manual seats are actually faster and to "find" a preferred position. The LTD memory seats would be great if you want to go for the LTD. My wife has no complaints about the manual liftgate either and can reach the handle fine. If you want the power options just to have them, go ahead, but they can be pricey and a "short person" as tall as you probably doesn't "need" them either.

    LX vs LXi vs LTD: We didn't really need the power and comfort options of the higher trim levels, and instead opted for an AWD LX. Bigger engine, AWD, and 4-wheel disk brakes were where we wanted to put the money not climate control and gadgetry. AWD comes with one power door and split rear seats; the model on the lot also had the upgraded sound system, a floor console, roof rack, and side airbags. We find that the kids play with the darn power door like a toy, it can be annoying, and there are few moments when the power feature is actually a real advantage over manual. Just as soon have manual doors, thanks. I do "like" the gadgets and power features of the higher trim packages, but with a limit on what we could spend, we wanted the AWD features instead.
  • ingramwd2ingramwd2 Posts: 15
    Thanks for the confirmation that this "dress-up" item was eliminated in '01 model year. I thought mine were inadvertantly omitted at the factory.
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