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Toyota Corolla Electric-Assist Power Steering (EPS)

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  • biffprestonbiffpreston Posts: 59
    edited October 2010
    Pretty easy for anyone to run back through this thread and see the truth about about that one. Im surprised even more people, and there have been a few already , have not voiced their suspicions. Theres been 4 or 5 on this thread who caught on to you.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    Biff wrote - "Theres been 4 or 5 on this thread who caught on to you"

    And what do you mean by caught on to me? Are you accusing me of something? That's pretty childish don't you think. Why, because I like my new Corolla and like Toyotas in general ? ? ? If I said it once, I said it a hundred times, my car's EPS drives fine just as hundreds of thousands of other new Toyota Corollas do. Now I feel for you, because you have one of those that seems to have a problem, but if you continue to generalize and state that every new Corolla out there is faulty just because your is, I will continue to rebut it as an untruth, because it is. So bring it on, cuz I got news for you, I ain't going no where! For every Corolla bash you post, I'll be there as an honest Toyota Corolla buyer multiple times over to give it my honest opinion.
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  • zekeman1zekeman1 Posts: 422
    Wow, I wondered if you were monitoring - I've been called down for a hell of a lot less!
    Z
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The S that has the same under-hood parts as the LE and XLE?
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    edited October 2010
    Exactly, so I guess the only other way to explain the problematic "S" model could possibly be the EPS specific tuning for this particular model ?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    It's a trim-level. I didn't know it was tuned to be sporty in the same way that the Camry SE is tuned differently than the LE/XLE.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    I don't know, I'm just guessing. Any other ideas as to why the "S" seems to be mentioned more frequently when it comes to EPS problems?
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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    While I'm sure you all bask in the awesomeness of my hosting presence, I don't possess the superpower of being able to monitor 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

    One day you'll aspire to pat's legacy... :)

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  • pekelvrpekelvr Posts: 61
    Hi Tercel Tom....I do apologize to the forum for the caps.....I let my anger towards a certain poster get the best of me I admit it. I just do not understand why anyone would continuously go to a thread to post negativity and bash those individuals who were experiencing difficulties with their Toyota or any other car for the matter. It doesnt make sense to go to a site and recite in thread after thread how much they despise a car manufacturer without expressing their testimony why they felt as such. I know the moderator posted that they were watching for this and they would remove or not post attacks on any individual but I feel and hope they would also remove threads that are non contributory. To simply go to a forum everyday and post how this brand of a car is this or that doesn't make sense. Obviously some of us are here to learn and share and validate our experiences, not to just say how "you" are wrong or "you" don't this or that blah blah blah. You know what I mean?

    Actually I had replied but for some reason it went on Facebook and not here. The 2008 had an optional EPS if you ordered it. At the time I had not ordered mine, but when I went to the dealer regarding the issue the manager said that the handling or feel of the car was reconciled by the "Vehicle Stability Control" feature and I replied it had not.

    Now for further news.....the pulling and meandering has been a quote "Phenomenon" that has been going in the Toyota brand. According to Automotive News.com....

    "In all, the complaints cite a total of six accidents and ten injuries due to the phenomenon, which is described as a strong pulling to the side, like being buffeted by crosswinds, requiring two hands on the wheel to maintain a straight path.

    Beginning with the 2009 model year, Toyota replaced the previous hydraulic power steering unit in the Corolla with an electric one. Newer electric power steering systems typically include logic to correct for environmental variables like the crown of the road as well as crosswinds, although we're not sure if the system in the Corolla does.

    The Corolla from those model years is already covered by both of Toyota's two major accelerator-related recalls—for pedal entrapment (floor mats) and for an issue with a sticky pedal mechanism.

    The review stage might presage a formal investigation, which then might eventually prompt a safety recall."

    http://autoguide.nascar.com/blog/1042430_toyota-corolla-being-reviewed-for-poten- tial-steering-issue

    and in further news in the article aforementioned....

    "The 2009 and 2010 Toyota Matrix hatchback is closely related to the Corolla and thus might also be affected, as might the Pontiac Vibe. Both remain covered by the other two accelerator-related recalls.

    According to Ward's, the supplier JTEKT Corp. produces electric power steering units for the Corolla, Matrix, RAV4, and Venza, along with the Lexus RX 350 and Pontiac Vibe. Previously, Toyota sources have confirmed to TheCarConnection.com that its EPS units follow a similar design across applications."
  • pekelvrpekelvr Posts: 61
    According to the Detroit Free Press, "Toyota reports indicated that "the problem" [steering problem] is not a safety defect and thus doesn’t warrant a recall. Instead, the automaker will provide a free fix to customers who claim to have an issue." :confuse:
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    It could be a perception/expectation thing, i.e. those getting the "S" trim expect crisper handling?
  • pekelvrpekelvr Posts: 61
    I cant believe what is being reported...."not a safety issue" I'm flabbergasted. :mad: Does Toyota not realize that we are being pushed and pulled into other lanes where we are continuously having to avoid crashing into neighboring cars? or even in some cases into on coming traffic!!! :mad: argh!!! As per usual they only put up a street red light after enough accidents or deaths occur for the same reason!!! Its the usual....argh! Oh someone please calm me down and tell me a joke!
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Oh someone please calm me down and tell me a joke!

    Did you hear about the guy who had his whole left side cut off in an accident? You didn't? Well, he's all right now.

    :)
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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    If it was that bad, just shuck it. :shades:

    I wasn't on morning weather at my local ABC affiliate for nothing... I stopped short of the bow-tie though.
  • gerryagerrya Posts: 9
    So, I posted my concerns and experience with EPS on here quite some time ago. Made some progress - kinda.
    Been running this car pretty constantly for work, got 125,000 km on it in 20 months. I was reluctantly just living with the vague steering on the highway because everything else on the car is just fine, but decided to have another go at it since I had to get the 2nd phase of the accel pedal recall done anyway. So, I got the same story from the dealer as I have the last 2 times - nobody else has ever complained, I'm the only one who has a problem, etc etc. They wrote right on the work order to check steering at highway speeds, but when I got the car back it had gone precisely 4.3 km - not enough distance to even get to the highway, let alone drive to the next exit. Some highway speed road test that was.... The tech then produced a tech service bulletin that he said they just found out about. He read from but wouldn't let me have it - it refers to "some customers having complaints about the steering feel". The fix recommended is to replace the EPS computer and do an alignment. The tech made a big deal about how this might not fix the issue. The cost to do this: a mere $817.00. I told him that for that cost, I'll just live with it a bit longer till I can dump the car on a trade-in, and it'll be for a non-Toyota product - made me feel better to vent, but he didn't particularly care. Obviously this particular dealer (Milton Toyota) has no intention of helping me out, so I'm going to try and escalate it through Canadian head office. I dunno, maybe the Canadian response is lagging the US response on this issue - as I remember, they lagged on the accel pedal recall issue.

    Further info:
    1. No, I'm not imagining it. This is the 12th vehicle our family has had, and the only one that's driven like this. Our Dodge van drives better on the highway!
    2. What I didn't realize was how much I'd gotten used to it. Had one of my kids driving on the highway, and he was constantly correcting left/right/left.
    3. As other posters have said, yes the Corolla is a mildmannered soft handling car and yes I agree that the EPS is light and effortless in city driving and parking, and yes the Corolla is still a very good car compared to a lot of the competition. The only significant complaint I have about this thing is the highway steering effect. If I can somehow get that fixed, I fully intend to run this car till it dies, same as I did with my last two Corollas.
    4. Advice to others: Buy a Corolla if you want to but do not buy one 09 or newer unless you personally test drive the exact car you're going to buy on the highway for an extended period at full cruising speed!! In hindsight, this is probably where I made the fatal mistake. I test drove a Corolla CE demonstrator, liked it, had no issues with the handling that I recall. I thought about it for a week or so, then when my old one started to make those death-rattle sounds I went back and bought one off the lot, but not the one I'd driven. Won't do that ever again.

    Gerry A
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    edited October 2010
    I would definetly push Toyota on this issue. You mentioned that you told them twice before about the steering. I'm assuming that was before the warranty expired. If you made the initial claim before the warranty expired, and before the TSB and "the fix" actually came about, wouldn't they have to fix your car under the warranty? After all, you did bring this to their attention back then? Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
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