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2010 Honda Accord

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    So do both sides fade or change color? If not, it can't be the car... unless you always drive with the sun shining on one side.

    Depending on commute, that's actually fairly likely. I always drive into the sun (I work ENE of my home) so my front dash sees a lot more sun than the rear shelf.
  • Friends,
    Just wanted to pass along some information I was told last night when I dropped off my 2010 Accord V6 Sedan. There was apparently a Honda Service Bulletin that covers replacement of front brakes. Then I was told that my rear brakes were close to shot and those need to be replaced. The odd part about the rears is that there was also a Honda Service Bulletin that addressed the replacement at no cost to the owner. This is no longer in place due to the fact that there was a Class Action lawsuit that Honda must have lost. Now I can submit a duplicate copy of my receipt to the law firm overseeing the disbursement of funds to Accord/Honda owners and I might get 50% back.

    Just wanted to share this so you can bring this up next time you are talking to or standing in front of your local Honda Service Dept. This is all I know as I am waiting to pick my car up from the dealership today. I thought the strong vibrations were related to Variable Cylinder Management but my dealership is having me address the brakes at this point; implying that there really isn't a problem with th VCM. We'll see and I'll try to update this post when I feel I have more info or road time after getting both the front and rear brakes replaced my 12,000 mile Accord.

    Philly Mike
  • Has any regular Honda owner feel like the quality & features of Hondas lately have decreased? I've owned Hondas since 1983, i feel like they are starting to cut back on quality & features to keep sales going. I'm talking about interior/exterior quality & features. not mechanical.
  • I agree it's now an option. I think Honda is cutting back on a lot of good features to keep prices down & sales up. I paid extra for the mirror, due to the convenience of it. Like you it's standard on the Sedan EXl_V6, why not the coupe? Also there are not any door lights, reflectors in the door. If they continue to do this i'll quit buying Hondas, they are quality vehicles but they need to quit cutting back, they'll loose sales.
  • rcummelinrcummelin Posts: 179
    My personal opinion is that Honda executives have been drinking the same Kool-Aid for the last 4-5 years that Toyota executives have been drinking since 1995 (the year Toyota began "de-contenting" their vehicles). Cost-cutting seems to be more important to Honda than the public's opinion of their cars.

    I think the 2007 Accord was the pinnacle for the Accord, and both quality & features have been going steadily downhill since then.

    As far as the mechanical bits go, Honda seems to be hanging on to old technology much longer than they did in the past, like the antiquated 5-speed auto transmission and the addition of VCM (shudder) to the V6 to slightly improve the gas mileage.

    For sure, the next time I get the desire for a new vehicle, the Honda dealer will NOT be the first stop I make.
  • I had a 08 Accord EX-L V-6 w/Navi. i wish i had it back. To me it had a lot of features that aren't on my 10 Accord EXL V_6 Coupe. They could add the rear view camera, lights in the door, auto mirror to name a few. I may go with a Maxima as my next car, they cost more but have a lot of features that Honda doesn't. I had a 04 Maxima SL, liked it too, traded it for the 08 Accord. I understand keeping costs down but when you get the top of the line car you should get top of the line equip. If the Sedan EX-L V6 w/o Navi. has auto mirror, door lights, camera the Coupe should too.
  • loucopitsloucopits Posts: 103
    edited October 2010
    I just switched to Honda from a Toyota Solara and am very disappointed with the quality and features of the LX. All door handles are stiff and crude, ride is rough and noisy, paint is thin, engine has surge when creeping forward and brakes are poor. Next car will be another Toyota or Chevie Malibu.
  • daneeldaneel Posts: 19
    Loucopits, I simply cannot understand postings like this one. Did you indeed take the Accord LX for a test drive before purchasing it?
  • loucopitsloucopits Posts: 103
    Yes, i took a test drive but it was too short.

    My bad.
  • Hi Guys, I have just completed 3 months with my brand new Accord. It has done 2500 miles so far and the oil life shown as 70%. As it is 3 months old now, I have scheduled my first oil change this coming saturday (3rd Nov). Now a second thought came into my mid...do I really need to change the oil now? Mileage done is very low and the oil life shown is 70%. Is it good to change the oil now? or shud I wait for another 1000 miles to complete ? Please suggest me...
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    You may want to read some of the other forums here about changing the oil too early. In short, Honda suggests that you wait until at least 5000 miles before you change the oil. They put an additive in the factory oil that helps clean out the metal filings in the new engine.

    You may also want to do a Google search on the 3000 oil change myth. Many people feel that the 3K/3 month oil change is wasteful and unnecessary, especially with today's cars.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    tallman1 is correct in suggesting that you should NOT change the oil now. Use the maintenance minder, even now. At very earliest, wait until 5,000 miles.
  • I just picked up a 2010 Accord EX-L Sedan and have a couple of questions/comments that hopefully someone can answer:

    1) When clicking on the remote twice to lock the car, the horn sounds. However, in the manual it says I should hear a 'beep' Does anyone's car 'beep' instead of a loud horn, like the Acura.
    2) Did anyone else notice a small hole in the plastic above the rear seat between the middle and driver side latch tethers. It looks odd and out of place and serves no purpose.
    3) It seems dark in the cabin at night even with the dash lights turned up all the way. I am used to my Acura which has the blue lights and higher intensity dash lights.
    4) Is there concern over the Service Bulletin for the brakes.

    Thanks for your comments.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    1) When clicking on the remote twice to lock the car, the horn sounds. However, in the manual it says I should hear a 'beep' Does anyone's car 'beep' instead of a loud horn, like the Acura. Beep = Honk of horn.

    2) Did anyone else notice a small hole in the plastic above the rear seat between the middle and driver side latch tethers. It looks odd and out of place and serves no purpose. It is part of the Active Noise Cancellation system, I believe I've read that here.

    3) It seems dark in the cabin at night even with the dash lights turned up all the way. I am used to my Acura which has the blue lights and higher intensity dash lights. Don't know what to tell ya. Check another Accord on the lot if you suspect something wrong.
  • Grad pretty much addresses items 1 & 2. My 08 had a small overhead blue ambient light which I thought did little to light the interier but I find I miss it in my 2010. Removed it for some reason. The brakes have faired better for some than others but the best overall mileage some are getting is 30-35,000 miles, not great by any means.
  • The ambient light (2008-2009 EX-L) was removed for 2010 along with the glove box light due to cost cutting by Honda.

    Yes, it's dark inside at night, especially with a black interior.
  • sshvhsshvh Posts: 13
    I bought a 2009 Accord EXL-V6 in 08/09, to go with 2 other 3.5 liter vehicles I own - a 99 Honda Odyssey and a 2008 Lexus RX 350. Overall, my wife and daughters join me in giving this feedback:
    1. Very poor ride quality where every little imperfection on the road carries through to the passengers,
    2. Bad transmission that is constantly searching for the right gear,
    3. My teenage daughter, for whom this was purchased, commented that the 99 Odyssey has much better accelaration from a stop than the Accord,
    4. VCM is a gimmick we can do without - causes some shudder to go with the bad transmission and ride quality - if Toyotas can deliver better mileage without VCM then why does Honda thrust VCM on us.

    We turned in a 93 Mercury Villager under the clunkers program and bought this vehicle - we collectively feel that offered a better ride than this Accord. I have owned a Honda vehicle for 24 years now, starting with the 86 Acura Integra and, with the 08 Accord, I think I need to close the door on this brand.

    86 Integra: Timing belt blew at 50K miles causing $ 2K in damages; transmission blew at 90K miles, paint lost lustre (even though kept in a garage)
    99 Odyssey: Currently at 117K miles, various problems are surfacing now, including front engine mount replacement, catalytic converter replacement, rear shocks, etc. Drove noisier than the Villager when we owned 2 minivans.

    Got enamored by Consumer Report and other ratings and thought the Accord would be a better experience - when I drive at 70 on a highway, my Odyssey barely register 2K RPM, the Accord is at 2.5K RPM - both give me nearly the same mileage on the highway. High time we stopped having this infatuation for the Honda brand - the new Hyundai Sonata would anyday be a better bet.
  • ahqahq Posts: 37
    @tkcvijay, thank you for posting your question, and thanks to tallman1 and thegraduate for their responses. I have close to 4000 miles on my 2010 Accord LX (I've had it for five months) and was considering scheduling an appointment for an oil change as well. I think I'll hold off until later this month or after Thanksgiving!
  • ahqahq Posts: 37
    Hey all, winter isn't too far away and I'm considering replacing the default carpeted mats with a set of rubber mats. One of the local Honda dealers is selling Honda's all-season mats for $115. WeatherTech.com's all-weather mats come out to $115 including shipping. WeatherTech's mats are custom designed to fit many different makes and models. Any suggestions on which I should go with?

    Also, does anyone know how good are the OE tires in the snow? They are Dunlop SP Sport 7000 A/S tires. Reviews on Tire Rack aren't terribly encouraging. I live in southeast Wisconsin, so we can have pretty nasty winters up here. I'd rather not get a separate set of winter tires since I don't have space to store the other four tires in the meantime (although a friend with a garage offered to store them on my behalf), so I'm thinking about possibly getting a set of Nokian WR-G2 tires.

    Anyhow, I realize there are probably other forums for discussing tires and what not, but I'm hoping I can get some feedback on the Dunlops on this car. Thanks!
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    You may want to take a look at HandA for floor mats. They have the Honda OEMs and WeatherTech. It looks like the OEM mats come in a set of 4 for front and back.

    Here's the link: HandA accessories

    Tire Rack will probably give you the best info on the tires. And yes, there is a forum for tires and wheels. You might ask your question over there if you don't get any responses here. The link is Honda Accord Tires and Wheels
  • Thanks for the responses.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Did you test drive the vehicle? Things like "very poor ride quality where every little imperfection on the road carries through to the passengers" would be noticed on a proper drive.Your teenager is also very wrong. The Accord is about 3 seconds quicker to 60 MPH than the '99 Odyssey. Funny how 600 fewer pounds and 60 extra horsepower do that. :)
  • sshvhsshvh Posts: 13
    We test drove thrice - unfortunately the dealership is off a highway that has concrete paving - we assumed it would be better on tar roads. Also, my daughter was echoing what I observe - the Odyssey is faster despite all the published claims - the simple reason is that the Odyssey does not have VCM and possibly has a better 4 speed transmission, it just accelerates - the Accord over-revs and I see Corollas and other 4 cyl. vehicles drive faster (including the Civic).
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    If your Odyssey accelerates faster than your Accord (the gearing of the Odyssey 4-speed will only make it SLOWER, not faster than a 5-speed) you have real mechanical problem.

    Over-revs? It's going beyond redline?
  • rustumrustum Posts: 100
    edited November 2010
    From Idle, My LX-P Accord does not move much either without punching gas pedal. Above 2k rpm, it moves pretty fast. There is a decent surge around 3k rpm. I am yet to rev it up above 4k though. Rev ups are pretty quick.
  • If your Odyssey accelerates faster than your Accord (the gearing of the Odyssey 4-speed will only make it SLOWER, not faster than a 5-speed) you have real mechanical problem.

    Over-revs? It's going beyond redline?


    I agree with the grad: If your descriptions of the problems with your Accord are actually true, your Accord is seriously broken. Our 2010 V6/VCM Accord has fantastic accelleration--MUCH better than the 2008 Civic Si, a supposed hot rod--that we traded in for the Accord.

    As far as the suspension is concerned, stiffness has been an Accord trait for many years. For me it is like getting a Sport Suspension for free. I love how our Accord rides and handles, as it's almost like a sports car. It sounds to me like a Camry (not the SE model) or a Buick may have a suspension to your liking. Personally I hate both as they ride like old Lincolns & Cadillacs IMHO. Ha, ha!
  • sshvhsshvh Posts: 13
    4 speed does not mean it will accelerate slower, only that the transmission goes through a longer revving range in each gear and reaches top gear quicker, hence the poorer (hypothetical) fuel economy.

    My Accord is a year old and has done 13K unsatisfactory miles - have been to 2 dealers.

    No I am more in tune with Honda suspensions - my Integra and Odyseey both have/had softer rides so there is something wrong with the Accord.

    To me the 6 cyl Accord is like a public speaker with hiccups - even to get it to 30 mph it would rev up to 2K RPM before shifting to the next gear - Corollas and Malibus would sprint ahead
  • To say that your Accord is slower because others are sprinting ahead, regardless of what vehicle they are driving, is almost a pointless statement. You have no idea how deep the other cars are dipping into their throttle. To compare the rate of forward progress all parties would have to know that they are participating in a form of measured progress. Hell I've been out paced by school buses and oil delivery trucks at times due to my leisurely progress away from stop lights. Any comparison of rate of speed would mean all involved would have to be knowing participants.

    That said Honda engines do require higher revs to be in their prime torque band, be they four or six cylinder engines. Smaller 4 cyl turbo's are usually in their peak torque band by 2,500 RPM. My 2010 Accord V6 needs to be near 5,000 RPM to be at peak torque.
  • Your last post seems to confirm that your Accord is broken. Being an old drag racer, I can tell you that there are VERY few cars that can "sprint ahead" of our Accord. Maybe a new V8 Mustang or Camaro or something else that is tuned for sprinting, but not much else. Our Accord can easily out-accellerate just about anything else when leaving a traffic light. I mean EASILY.

    Re: the suspension: if you read lots of the posts both here and on other Accord sites (like Drive Accord) you will find many posts & threads where the stiff suspension is mentioned (positively & negatively). This has been part of the Accord's design (and appeal to some customers, like me) for at least 5-8 years or so. The young guys that buy the Accord Coupe LOVE the suspension, just as the wife and I do.

    We owned TWO recent Odysseys, a 2005 and a 2008, and found that while their suspensions were not as firm as the Accord, they were much firmer than the Toyota minivan, which drove like the steering and suspension were almost not there at all.

    Obviously, you are unhappy with your Accord, which is sad, as many of us are pleased--at least for the most part. That isn't to say I would run out and buy another one, but ours is also almost a year old and has been totally trouble-free and enjoyable. We get great highway mileage--28-30--and we can't feel the VCM transitions at all. The transmission downshifts harder than I would like when slowing for a red light, but I can live with that. I figure we will keep it for a few more years at least.

    Good luck with yours & please do yourself a favor and get it fixed!
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    edited November 2010
    4 speed does not mean it will accelerate slower, only that the transmission goes through a longer revving range in each gear

    ...which means it will drop further from the peak power (in this case, the upper 5000s on the tach) with each shift, returning slower acceleration than a vehicle with more gears, allowing for closer ratios and the ability to stay closer to the power peak under hard acceleration.

    my Integra and Odyseey both have/had softer rides so there is something wrong with the Accord.

    You're comparing ride of 2 an Acura and a van with 10+ year old shocks, yet you assume something wrong with the Accord. Um, whatever; that's very fuzzy logic.

    even to get it to 30 mph it would rev up to 2K RPM before shifting to the next gear

    Clarify please; what are you wanting your car to rev to before shifting? My V6 Sonata can sometimes shift under 2k if a light acceleration load is called for by my right foot, but when under moderate or heavy acceleration is called for, it may rev to 3-4k RPM, higher depending on how urgently I need to accelerate. The Accord is more powerful than my Sonata, weighs approximately the same, and accelerates with even less effort.
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