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Isuzu Rodeo Frame Rust

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,016
    Seems like a better use of your energy as fellow Rodeo owners would be trying to get the frame rust issue handled instead of squabbling with each other.

    Any further "off-topic" posts will be removed. Thanks in advance for sticking to the topic.

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  • Thank you Steve for stepping in. You are 100% correct.
    I think I am going to draft a letter and send it to the various automotive magazines concerning the frame rust issue, my experience, and also send one to Consumer Report, and see if any of them will publish it. That would be one way to get the word out. All are invited to do the same, we can collaborate on which to send it to, or just send it on as we see fit. Autoweek was mentioned as a possibility. If they get a lot of letters to the editor about the same problem, perhaps someone will take notice. Also, I plan on calling Derek Reinhardt this week, hope all you other forum watchers do the same so he gets a load of calls from concerned vehicle owners.
    One more thing, lets all call our vehicles manufacturer, either Isuzu or Honda America and see what they have to say. Lets try to unite in the next couple of weeks on this and then we can post our findings/progress. These steps are all positive, and I feel would be a good use of all the energy we all seem to have concerning our vehicles. Happy New Year.
  • alannhalannh Posts: 8
    "Happy New Year Everyone" TTFN
  • My previous post was removed because it included a phone number.

    the attorneys handling the Ford Taurus SHO engine class action is:

    Edelman, Combs, Latturner & Goodman, LLC; Chicago.

    I also mention to be careful about where a class action suit is filed to insure proper jurisdiction.
  • howardruhowardru Posts: 155
    It's happening to Axiom's too! They have the same frame as the Rodeo.

    They didn't sell too many of this model, but there's definately the same problem as evident on the Axiom forum.

    Did anyone actually get some letter back from Derek Rhienhardt? I never got a single response from my email, letter or FAX (yes all 3 ).
  • :sick: I spoke with Derek in Novenber, and he told me they were either going to drop the investigation if they felt there was not a significant number of complaints, or they would escalate it to an engineering analysis. I'm not holding my breath waiting for a recall or settlement, but it's good to see that it has been upgraded to an engineering analysis. My 2001 Rudeo had the same problem this fall, and let go with no warning. I live in Connecticut, and am the original owner. The car was well cared for, and always garaged. Now I have a beautiful, good running car that I cannot use for anything but a shed. I found this discussion, and realized that my rust problem was not unique.I filed a complaint with the NHTSA, and left several messages with Derek, and was surprised when he called me one day. Here is the latest update, which I found on the NHTSA website: Notice that Isuzu is claiming that it is a gradual problem that gives consumers prior warning. I hope they can sleep at night knowing someone is likely to get hurt from an accident due to the seperation of the rear link.

    http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/defects/results.cfm

    NHTSA Action Number : EA09018 N/A
    N/A
    N/A
    N/A NHTSA Recall Campaign Number : N/A
    Make / Models : Model/Build Years:

    HONDA / PASSPORT 1998-2002


    ISUZU / RODEO 1998-2002

    Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
    Component :
    SUSPENSION
    SUSPENSION:REAR

    Date Investigation Opened : December 7, 2009
    Date Investigation Closed : Open
    Summary:
    DURING PRELIMINARY EVALUATION PE09-030, ISUZU MOTORS AMERICA, INC (ISUZU) NOTED TWO PRIMARY DIFFERENCES ONCE THE REAR SUSPENSION LOWER LINK SEPARATION OCCURS BETWEEN THE ALLEGED DEFECT (SEPARATION OF THE LOWER LINK FROM THE FRAME) OF THIS INVESTIGATION AND A SAFETY DEFECT INVOLVING LOWER LINK SEPARATION FROM THE REAR AXLE ADDRESSED BY ISUZU IN SAFETY RECALL 00V-058. IN THE CASE OF THE DEFECT CONDITION IDENTIFIED IN RECALL 00V-058, ISUZU STATED THAT THE ATTACHMENT BOLT COULD DETACH FULLY, CAUSING SEPARATION OF THE LOWER LINK FROM THE REAR AXLE POSSIBLY CREATING A LOSS OF VEHICLE CONTROL. ISUZU ALSO STATED THAT THIS CONDITION OCCURS EARLY IN THE SERVICE LIFE OF THE VEHICLE. IN THIS INVESTIGATION ISUZU NOTED LOWER LINK SEPARATION FROM THE FRAME IS A PROGRESSIVE CORROSION ISSUE WITH PRIOR WARNING TO CONSUMERS. ISUZU ALSO STATED THAT IN THE EVENT OF A LOWER LINK SEPARATION FROM THE FRAME, THE VEHICLE IS STILL CONTROLLABLE AND CAN BE SAFELY STOPPED. THE OFFICE OF DEFECT INVESTIGATION (ODI) ANALYZED COMPLAINT DATA PROVIDED BY ISUZU AND AMERICA HONDA MOTOR COMPANY, INC (HONDA), AS WELL AS VEHICLE OWNER QUESTIONNAIRES SUBMITTED TO ODI FROM CONSUMERS. IN TOTAL, THERE WERE 60 UNIQUE REPORTS OF LOWER LINK SEPARATIONS FROM THE FRAME INCLUDING 1 ALLEGED CRASH AND 7 LOSS OF VEHICLE CONTROL INCIDENTS THAT MAY BE RELATED TO THE ALLEGED DEFECT. MOST OF THESE COMPLAINTS INDICATED THAT THERE WAS NO WARNING PRIOR TO THE LINK SEPARATION. PRELIMINARY EVALUATION PE09-030 HAS BEEN UPGRADED TO AN ENGINEERING ANALYSIS TO FURTHER ASSESS THE SCOPE, FREQUENCY AND RISK TO MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY OF THE ALLEGED DEFECT IN THE SUBJECT VEHICLES.
  • It seems to me these problems mentioned within this thread only affect 1997 and later model Rodeo's and their corresponding counterparts. I have a 1992 Rodeo with over 279,000 miles on it and with the exception of a heater blowing cold air, and a right turn signal problem the vehicle is and has been exemplary. The frame under mine is as if it was new and the 3.1 litre V6 uses no oil, Tranny and transfer case work like new. I did have to change out the gas tank/fuel pump about three years ago but that's the most serious problem I've had with the vehicle in the 6 years I've owned it and I'm the second owner.
    I wish all of you luck with your actions and your frame issues. I just thought it would help all of you to know about the 1997 and up models seeming to have this issue. Me I live in Florida on the west coast. Salt air hits mine every day and still no rust on the frame or anywhere else for that matter.
  • My observation through this forum, the complaints on NHTSA and the facebook page is that only 2000 and 2001 models have been affected. To date, I have observed no NHTSA complaints of frame corrosion on model year 2002!
  • My 1998 Honda Passport is one of the vehicles with the rotten frame.
  • My husband decided to take a closer look at the frame of my 1998 Honda Passport. He did weld the area where the wheel stabilizer bar fell off last year, but I still did not feel comfortable driving it. So, last week, he got under the Passport to see what the entire frame looked like. The area where the coil springs attach to the rear axle were rusted through. In numerous areas, he was able to push his finger through the frame easily, in areas from the front to the back. I was right not to trust the Passport. The rust has become widespread, there is no repair to the frame. Replacement of the frame is an option, but not for us. We are selling the Passport as it, to someone who can either use it for parts or has the ability to replace the entire frame. Of interest, the entire body underneath is still shiny silver paint, no rust to the body at all. Just a severely rusted frame. Sadly, vehicles from the 50's and 60's have frames in better condition that this 1998 does.
  • I have a 1997 Isuzu Rodeo with 70000' miles on it that cannot be inspected (Since 2008) due to a rusted out frame. If you lay under it rust literally falls in your eyes. Complained to NHSA and Isuzu and was totally ignored. If the Titanic was made out of this crap steel it would have totally disappeared after 11 years!!!!
  • Hi Rodeostinks, cool name.
    Anyway, go back through the posts in this forum, and follow the instructions on how to submit your info to Derek Rinehardt, federal investigator. I put that on this forum for other Passport and Rodeo owners. File a complaint with NHTSA again, you should receive a claim or case#. Keep that e-mail or print it off and keep it. I had to report the vehicle to NHTSA twice before I did get a case #, so do it again. Where it asks if any property damage, mark YES, after all, the vehicle is property and it is damaged. Take lots of photos, both for yourself and for Mr. Rinehardt. Contact Isuzu again, file a claim against them, they will have to give you a claim or case #. Have your VIN available for both Isuzu and NHTSA. Isuzu will tell you that this is the first time they heard of this problem, etc., don't let them snowball you or wear you down, get that case #.
    Of interest, I did all of the above. So my Passport should have some type of info on a car fax that there is frame damage, however, there is nothing there. So, what did Honda do with the info I sent to them?
    The recall has been updated to an engineering analysis, so we are making some progress, very slow but something is better than nothing.
    Our Passport has a swiss cheese frame now, it is unbelievable how rusted it is and how the entire frame is affected. It is unsafe to drive, so we are going to get rid of it. Just sitting in the driveway is nothing but a reminder that Honda screwed us.
    :( Let us know how you made out. Everyone on the forum is here to help others out with our knowledge and experience. May not be much, but it is nice to know you are not standing alone. M
  • Hi All,

    This just happened to me on Feb. 10, 2010, my frame is junk. I'm trying to get up to speed with all that has been posted, I have called Mr Rhinhardt in DC, but as we know DC has been shut down all week. I guess what I need to know now is "What can I do with this Rodeo?" Try to trade it, junk it, save it for some kind of settlement, I'm not sure. What have others done? I can send anyone pics if they want them, sorry I don't do Facebook or Tweet. If someone tells me how to post them here I will, otherwise a quick note to "woodisgood@hotmail.com, Please put "Rodeo Pics" in subject line so I know you are not spam

    ANY HELP/ADVICE WOULD BE GREAT

    Shauno">
  • I can see it's been a few weeks since your posting of "rotting Rodeo frames". Has there been any forward movement in the way of a class action suit. Mine just gave way last Wednesday as I was driving my 8 yr old to school doing 45 mph. I came within inches of a phone pole. I have pics of the rot/rust to share but I don't do this computer thing well enough to know how. Any help on what to do with this SUV would be greatly appreciated
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    If someone tells me how to post them here ...

    Click on the HELP link at the bottom of this page for instructions on how to post pictures.

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • If you go through the previous posts, you will see the letter I posted from Derek Rinehardt, federal investigator. Just follow those instructions. Take lots of pictures, keep a set for yourself and send a set to him. Contact NHTSA, get a case #. Contact the manufacturer (Honda or Isuzu), get a case # with them. Keep all your info in one place. Have your VIN # available, you will need that. We decided to sell the Passport as a salvage vehicle. The frame is replaceable, however at a larger cost that it is worth. It can be parted out, but you would have to be knowledgable how to pull the engine, etc. and that would be a bit of a pain. Good luck, we are in the waiting stage, have been since July, on a recall.
  • Sorry for your loss, I know how frustrating this can be. My car has been out of commission since late September, and I'm not sure what to do with it either. I would repair it, but it is too far gone, and needs a complete frame. The body and drivetrain are in great condition, so I will probably part it out.

    I would contact Mr. Rhinehardt at the NHTSA, and file a complaint. It will probably take some time to get a response, but I think he will eventually contact you. It took a month after I filed before I got a phone call from him, He is a decent guy to deal with, and seems genuinely concerned. My experience with filing a complaint with Isuzu was completely different. I called a number from the Isuzu website, and spoke to a man who claimed to be a national operations manager, who would not even give me his full name. He refused to give me any information, and told me he was purposely evading my questions. I asked for a receipt for my complaint, or an email verification, and he refused, and would only give me a file number verbally.

    Mr. Rhinehardt sent me an email recently, with the same questionaire that is posted elswhere on this thread. The wheels of govt. turn slow. I would encourage you to file a complaint with Isuzu and the NHTSA- there's no guarantee that anything will happen, but the more people file a complaint, the better chance we have.

    Good Luck
  • Just checked up on the NHTSA complaints and noticed the first model year 2002 to report a trailing arm separation (Feb, 2010). There's bound to be more on the way. I hope something gets rolling on this before someone gets hurt!

    I noticed that NHTSA describes the EA process as taking around a year to complete. I'll be patient and optimistic- although it would be nice to get that paperweight out of the garage...
  • Here's my email to Rinehardt.
    also I do plan on contacting the media so if anyone in Massachusetts wants to tell their story let me know.
    Dear Mr. Rinehardt.

    My name is Lt. Richard X. XXXXXXXXX
    I am a Paramedic Lieutenant with the XXXXXXXX MA. Fire Dept.
    I am also a rescue technician with expertise in various aspects of technical rescue as well as an Emergency Vehicle Operations Instructor.

    My wife and I purchased a new 2001 Isuzu Rodeo in August of 2001 from a local dealer in Massachusetts.
    Approximately 10 days ago while driving the vehicle, it abruptly swerved left with acceleration from 15-20 mph, then with deceleration, it swerved to the right and pitched into an almost rollover motion of approximately 30 degrees.

    Upon inspection, the Left rear trailing arm had separated from the frame and upon closer inspection the frame has multiple areas where it has rotted through entirely and is not repairable.

    With some web based investigation this appears to be a common problem with these vehicles and their Honda relatives.

    I did take meticulous care of the vehicle and it appears obvious to me that this is an intrinsic defect of both the construction and the quality of steel used in the frame itself.

    I am forwarding some pictures as well as pertinent information about the vehicle to you.

    My primary concern is of potentially life threatening failure of trailing arms in the remainder of these vehicles on the road, it appears that the rear axle in my vehicle swung out of alignment causing the rear end to steer independently of the front.

    Other than this critical problem the vehicle looks immaculate and it appears that the rot occurred primarily from the inside out and showed very little damage until it broke through to the exterior. The body has no rust and superficially the vehicle looks superb which I believe makes the problem even more serious as unsuspecting buyers of used vehicles will be unaware of the potentially severe problems with the frame.

    I also plan on speaking with an acquaintance from the news media Susan Warnick who was instrumental in providing public information regarding the Toyota issues that have recently gained so much media attention.

    I, with due respec,t will furnish her with this correspondence as well as the Edmunds forum postings along with the current list of NHTSA complaints.

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f1d6728


    1.VIN 4S2DM8W714331524

    2. Original owner purchased new in 2001 from,

    Showcase Isuzu 418 Macarthur Bvd. Bourne MA 02532

    a) Purchased on 10/20/1001,Used primarily for local travel in Massachusetts.



    3. Incident occurred on 02/16/2010

    4. I was alone driving the vehicle at the time of the incident at approximately 3pm dry road conditions about 1/2 mile from my house on a side street with very light traffic.
    I was able to drive the vehicle in reverse to my house. I could not drive forward since the axle would swing causing the tires to contact the frame and prevent forward movement.

    a) By pure co-incidence my wife and 3 and 5 year old children were not with me at the time.
    The incident occurred without warning and I believe only the low rate of speed prevented the vehicle from rolling over.
    The vehicle has 101,000 miles.

    I am in the process of trying to contact Isuzu but thus far they are not being helpful.

    Please give this matter your urgent attention.
    I see so many of these vehicles on the road driven by families with small children and based on how close my own vehicle came to rolling over at only 20mph and the number of complaints coming to light that it is a critical safety defect.

    Please feel free to call me or contact me vie email.
    I will gladly furninsh you information as you deem appropriate.

    Sincerely,
    XXXXXX
  • howardruhowardru Posts: 155
    Hi Lieutenant
    I'm with you here in Mass and I emailed, sent certified letter, faxed, called and left voice messages to the same guy and received absolutely ZERO for a response.

    I put posting up here awhile ago with my experience and my steps that I took. Isuzu did nothing, DOT did nothing and NHSTA is doing nothing as far as I can tell. They are now probably dealing with Toyota.

    My wife had a 2002 Isuzu Axiom which uses the EXACT same frame as the Rodeo.. Here are a few photos of the car.

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3293653/Axiom%20Rust.jpg

    I would be glad to talk to any press or Help Me Hank!

    Send me a PM if you want to talk.
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