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2011 Toyota Sienna

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  • delthekingdeltheking Posts: 1,152
    edited March 2010
    Thanks for the response.. So all eyes on Odyssey now.. If the Odyssey delivers ,then Siennas can become great deals !! But it`s much tougher to predict the Odyssey interior as there have been no other new comparable Honda models except maybe the pilot.. For the Sienna--there was the new Venza and Highlander--and the Sienna has interior features similar to them.. And the new Odyssey will give us clues on the new Accord !!
    So, let the battle begin !! :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My concern is I don't think Honda designs have improved. If anything, I'd argue they peaked about one generaton ago.

    So I'm not assuming I will like it better.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    edited March 2010
    I've got some questions and comments about the 2011 Sienna..

    First, what's up with that ultra-wide 16" DVD screen, which is way too wide even for Wide-Format movies? To see 2 at a time? Isn't that a stupid idea and confusing to watch? In that regard I believe the Chryslers are much better off, offering dual LCD's for 2nd row and 3rd row seats! Isn't that clever and more intuitive than the Sienna’s single ultra wide in the front?

    Second, about the interior door pull/grab handles. Like many reviewers mentioned already at many other vehicles, they are much more comfortable and accessible when the grab handles are FULLY OPEN THRU so your fingers can hug the handles and your nails still touch the palm of your hand. This is actually called a "handle". On the 2004-2010 Siennas it was great. I sat in the 2011 a few days ago and was disappointed to see that they changed to just a small well. Very uncomfortable (for me at least). I would hope to have something like the Camry, vertically aligned handle which is very comfortable to grab and to use as a handle while driving. It looks to me like an afterthought. Why on earth should Toyota change it?

    Third, I must point out again my disappointment that Toyota does not offer an integrated hard drive system like Chrysler/Dodge. I have currently a Chrysler T&C minivan (lease expires soon), but even though I hate the driving dynamics and bad quality all over, I LOVE LOVE the entertainment system, with a built in hard drive to store all your music, pictures (not so important), and uses the h.d. for the navigation system as well, unlike Toyotas (and Hondas) which still use old-school DVD-based systems.

    And finally, I am repeating this for maybe the 100'th time: Why on earth doesn't Toyota offer the power door lock and window/mirror switches with ILLUMINATION, like ALL OTHER COMPETITORS???? What are they thinking or waiting for??

    I am also bummed that there is no auto-dimming outside mirrors, only on the Limited. I was thinking of getting the XLE but I need that dimming mirror. By the way - I still can not figure out why the interior / exterior mirrors does not share similar features -- meaning, the outside mirrors are (almost) always powered operated and thus possible to set it on exact position easily (with memory on higher-end models), while the inside mirror you must manually adjust and it is difficult to set it the exact position you like it; Meantime, the interior mirror mostly have an option to auto-dim (even though in the van it's not as necessary due to the tinted rear window) while on drivers outside mirror you must opt to top model to get it! Could these 2 features please marry and be together on all MIRRORS???
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My driver's window switch is illuminated, IIRC. :confuse:

    Hard drives are faster and more responsive but it's also harder to install updates.

    DVDs you can just order a set over the internet from any dealer. How do you get updates on your Dodge?
  • bg18947bg18947 Posts: 184
    I just test drove an XLE-AWD this morning and I thought it felt secure. I didn't have a tape measure with me, so I had to crudely measure the width of the floor between the wheelwells with a sheet of paper (11"). It looked as though it was about 46-47" across. Could someone confirm that it is indeed at least 48" at the floor? It's one of my requirements.

    My 00 Odyssey is at the dealer getting it's 3rd tranny which is just shy of 90,000 miles. The original was replaced just shy of 60,000. So, the 2nd unit only went as far as 30,000 miles, but was replaced for free under the extended warranty. There's no way that I feel confident that anything is going to change with this new tranny. I am paying for half the cost, $2K + Tax. I wanted to keep the car until 200K miles, but I don't want to take the chance. The full cost of the replacement tranny is almost as much as the value of car.

    I'm looking forward to hearing how everyone is doing with their new Siennas and I'm on the fence about whether I should wait for the new Odyssey before making a decision. If Honda gave me a loyalty voucher, I would definitely wait it out. I thought that the Sienna looked better in the photos.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I heard they made revisions (model year 2004+?) to help the Ody trans. The new one may not fit on a 2000 model, so it hasn't helped you.

    A lot of us want to see what Honda does with its new interior.
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    edited March 2010
    I heard they made revisions (model year 2004+?) to help the Ody trans. The new one may not fit on a 2000 model, so it hasn't helped you
    The revised transmission (a 4 shaft one developed for the Ridgeline, rather than a 3 shaft one) was put in Odysseys starting the 2007 model year. There are still complaints (shudders) on 2007 and later, but nowhere near the same as the failures of the 2000 etc vintage Honda 6cyl ATs.

    Btw, the 4 shaft AT in my 2007 Pilot has been flawless.
  • foggy6foggy6 Posts: 6
    Without tearing apart the interior that is set up for a German Shepherd, I measured 48". I believe that has been true of all the Siennas I have had (3), one of the selling points that you are able to haul sheets of 4x8's. After an 04 and 06, I have no complaints other than the normal getting use to different locations of switches etc. All in all a wonderful van. My original question about a trailer hitch has been answered. A couple of days ago, I installed the same U Haul hitch that I used on the 04 and 06 models. There is a plastic pan attached under the back trunk well that you have to modify but it works great. The pan is a little "scrunched" but it works as I couldn't wait for any new modifications.
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    Foggy6, so you have purchased a 2011 Sienna?

    We also have dogs. It is mandatory that we have a flat floor with the middle seats removed. Is this possible? We need the space to put down the dog crates.
  • dbtdbt Posts: 298
    It is mandatory that we have a flat floor with the middle seats removed.
    As far as I can tell, no, it is not a flat floor, because the bases that slide along the tracks remain.
  • foggy6foggy6 Posts: 6
    Yes, took possession on Feb. 20. We don't use crates...her "Highness" has a tool box with padding in front of the right rear Captain's seat and two very large pillows wedged between the sliding door and the seat and box. She loves to curl up and snooze there. The seats do slide back quite a ways, and the tracks are raised a little but would surmise that it depends on the type and size of the crates as to whether they will fit.

    Why not test drive one and go home and see if they will fit.

    We love this van as much as the previous two. It is the Limited with AWD, same as previous ones. Hope this helps.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    With dogs I'd toss a blanket or some sort of liner on the interior anyway. Should be OK with that.
  • bg18947bg18947 Posts: 184
    Sienna Hitch:
    With the hitch installed, how much clearance is there from the ground? I have a Hidden Hitch on my 00 Odyseey and it does scrape the ground just a bit with very steep driveways coming off the street. Also, when the flatbed pulled the minivan up, It just scraped the roadway. Otherwise, it's got reasonably good clearance.

    Just for confirmation, the second row seats on the rails can come out, correct? I wasn't sure if they only folded up as appears in the brochure.

    Thanks!
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    Not quite that easy. Our pass time is attending and showing at dog shows. Each dog has their own crate. Each crate has a 4" thick foam mattress. They travel in style. We have three dogs. We fold the 3rd seat down flat and take the two middle seats out. Two crates are loaded from the rear hatch area, and the third from the side. Our luggage and equipment goes in the remaining available space. So to put the crates in, we need a flat floor. Now we can build up a floor or smooth it out some with plywood or carpet pieces. But the floor needs to be flat at some point.

    We looked at some 2011s Saturday. Store very busy, so no sales people hanging on us. On the 8 pass XLE, does that back floor console come completely out?
  • foggy6foggy6 Posts: 6
    The height of the bottom of the receiver where the draw bar is inserted is 8.5" from the garage floor.
    I believe that the removal of the seats may depend on what configuration you get in the seat plan for the particular vehicle. I have not attempted to remove my seats. I do see an apparent release lever on the lower back of the seat.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Gotcha. You have special needs, so what I'd suggest is taking the actual crates you use to a dealership, to do a "test fit".
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    edited March 2010
    "...How do you get updates on your Dodge?...."

    Same way. You get a DVD on mail (or available for download on a CD I believe), and pop into the CD/DVD player slot, and it does the rest by itself. Like you install or update something on your computer.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    OK, that's a relief. I thought the dealer might have to hook up a port to their computer or something.
  • chronochrono Posts: 149
    Anyone know when the 4 cylinder model is coming out? Sounds like it would be adequate for most situations plus the slightly higher mileage helps.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Funny thing is I previewed these at the auto show but have not been to a dealership since they got the 2011s, so I have no idea.

    Anyone?
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,395
    All that's been said is 'spring availability' for the 4-cyl and the SE...

    15 Leaf / 08 RDX

  • tsu670tsu670 Posts: 293
    edited March 2010
    Hi All.

    I started this thread back on June 8, 2009. Was in the market for a new minivan, but decided to wait until the new 3rd generation Sienna came out.

    With all of the excitement that preceded the release, one would think the Pope was coming to town. We all figured that every copy of the 2011 Sienna would be sold before it got off the truck at the dealer.

    This morning I checked the inventory of a popular high-volume local store. Over 30 Siennas in stock.

    There are things to like about the new model, but then again there are things not to like. The list is different for everyone. In our case, we didn't like the hard plastics in the interior, the looks of the Limited trim level, or the option packages. The worst thing of all for us was the second row seats. On the Limited you had no choice but to take the barcolounger seats, and on all of the trim levels there is this crazy seat chassis or cradel thing left behind after you remove the second row seats. Those barcoloungers weigh 75 pounds apiece.

    The numerous reports on the NHTSA database about Sienna sudden unintended acceleration didn't scare us. They were for pre-2011 models. The new 3rd generation models have a brake override of the accelerator that Toyota will be incorporating in all of its 2011 cars and trucks.

    But the recent articles about Toyota's EDR (Event Data Recorder) issues is problematic. There is growing evidence that the company deliberately doesn't store information about certain events, and that there are only a few EDR readers in the entire country. Toyota says they are increasing the number of readers to 150 by the end of this month, but contast that with GM and Chrysler with EDRs that can be read by any one of thousands of PCs throughout the country.

    Nope, we just couldn't do it.

    We shopped around and decided instead on what will be our 4th Chrysler minivan. I know, I know; what about the horrible quality concerns of their newer 5th generation model? It's true. The quality of the 2008 model was horrible. Brakes that would wear out after 13k miles and faulty power sliding doors were the major concerns. By the 2009 model year the quality had improved, but still wasn't up to snuff until about mid-way into the model run. Yes, we're crossing our fingers with the 2010; and we're buying a third party extended warranty.

    My point is the new Chrysler minivans really deserve another look-see. We got a 2010 Town & Country Limited. Geez, the thing comes with all sorts of goodies as standard equipment that Toyota charges an arm and a leg for. High intensity discharge headlights? Standard on the Limited model. So, too, power adjustable pedals, rain sensing windshield wipers, rear backup camera on a 6.5" touchscreen without requiring navigation, remote starting system, turn signal indicators on the outside review mirrors, and a bunch more goodies.

    And it has an impressive smooth ride and quiet interior. Oh, and the 2nd row seats are the sto-n-go variety, so no need to remove them and find a place to put them in the garage. You end up with a perfectly flat floor. We found one with the only option we wanted: the towing package. No nav or backseat entertainment shtuff. We'll get a nice portable unit with free lifetime map updates to use for nav.

    There are only a kazillion of them out there, and it was easy to find and stop owners of 2009-2010 models in the parking lot who were willing to answer questions about them. They love them. 2008 owners... not so much.

    Finally, while the deals aren't as good as they were say a year ago, they are still certainly better than Toyota (although I imagine Toyota will be making deals soon to clear their growing inventory of Siennas). We managed $3k under invoice after all discounts and rebates. For $500 more we took the 0% financing over 48 months. I went in thinking I'd pay cash for the vehicle, but jumped at the chance to use GMAC's free money instead of my own. The current deal is you get $1500 cash back, or $1000 cash back AND 0% financing for 24, 36 or 48 months. Not bad.

    So, that's it. I'll probably stop by and check this forum once in a while. Lots of good people here. If the 2010 T&C Limited turns out to be a bust, I'll be honest and let you know. Based on our experience as previous owners of 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation Chrysler minivans, we're fairly confident things will be okay (the trick is to use only Chrysler certified transmission fluid), but you just never know these days, eh?

    All the best,
    Ken
  • sricansrican Posts: 12
    I saw some threads on the new 8th seat being a bad design. Apologize if this is a duplicate post, but can some 2011 sienna owner talk about their experience with the 8th seat.

    Thanks

    SR
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...models have brake override of the accellerator...?

    Pure BS on the part of Toyota/NipponDenso...!!!

    A BTO, Brake/Throttle Override that is simply a firmware subroutine running in the very same engine/transaxle ECU controller has as much chance of being failsafe as was the "supposed' BTO in the Sikes incident involving a runaway Prius last week.

    Only a completely separate, indendent "add-on" BTO would be a true foolproof failsafe.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Have you been following the Sikes "incident"?

    The guy's a scam artist. He's been caught with insurance fraud, he runs AdultSwingLife.com, makes porn, and it three quarters of a million dollars in debt. Data logs show the brakes and throttle were cycled 250 times and NHTSA concluded he could not have been pressing the brakes.

    No fail safe in the world would have made a difference because this was a hoax, pure and simple.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...hoax, pure and simple..."

    Not so simple if you bother to look behind the curtain..!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Have you read up on the case? NHTSA wrote to congress that him being on the brake pedal hard was "not feasible". Sikes is quoted as saying he was standing on the pedal (he even repeated himself).

    Either he's lying, or NHTSA is. NHTSA put this in writing in a memo to congress, so they felt confident about it.

    The only curtain is the one Sikes is using to try to hide his sketchy past.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    According to Toyota's OWN documentation you could stand on the brakes as mightily as a 300lb person might and unless the brake light switch works there will be NO braking available, NONE...!!

    Yes, we know that the brake lights were working in Sikes case, but do we know for sure that the HSD control ECU/computer was properly communicating with the skid control ECU/computer..??

    Read the recall for the 2010 Prius with regards to delayed frictional braking resulting from an initial ABS activation. ABS will initially result in disabling regenerative braking in favor of the use of ONLY frictional braking. That is probably, mostly, to more evenly distribute the braking forces over all four wheels rather than just on the front wheels, braking of regeneration.

    But users of the 2010 Prius are reporting, rarely, a period of 1-2 seconds of absolutely NO BRAKING upon this transition. The "reflash" is to revise the firmware such that the frictional braking, SOLELY controlled by the Skid control ECU, comes on line much quicker once ABS disables regenerative braking.

    Other than a firmware flaw what do you suppose would result in a braking gap of 1-2 seconds that could be fixed by a simple "reflash".

    In Sikes case the HSD control computer was so busy managing an infinite "set/accel" acceleration rate it did not repond to the skid control computer's query " I need 160HP of braking effort, tell me how much you can provide using regeneration?. Absent a response of...NONE..what level of frictional braking might the skid control ECU provide by default...?
  • yatesjoyatesjo Posts: 186
    The heat of braking hard against the engine at high speed leaves a wear signature on the brake pads and rotors. As I understand it, Mr Sikes car did not have that wear pattern therefore was not braking hard during his high speed run.

    The guy's story doesn't hold up, so we have every reason to believe the guy is an opportunist looking to profit on all the bad publicity Toyota is getting.
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