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2011 Toyota Sienna

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited May 2010
    The 2GR V6 has been in the Sienna since 2007, so it's not even new to this model.

    The U660E - 6 speed has been used in the Camry V6 and other models so Toyota has made approximately 11 billion of those.

    It replaces the U151E 5 speed in the outgoing Sienna model.

    Ody's trans was improved for MY2007, I think, but per Consumer Reports Sienna was still more reliable.

    Good luck with whatever you purchase. :shades:
  • DLuDLu Posts: 41
    I agree -- the little things are not necessarily great for the first year, but major components are going to be solid. Waiting 2 more years will definitely be smart, but you can't find 2010 Siennas around New England anymore; if you want an AWD minivan, this is it. :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited May 2010
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    NEW YORK -- Two significant new video campaigns battled it out for the top slot on Advertising Age's weekly viral video chart: Google's "Chrome Speed Tests" and Toyota's "Swagger Wagon."

    Both got some blog coverage last week; Google because its Chrome browser is taking share in the web browser market from Firefox and Microsoft's Internet Explorer; and Toyota because, well, since when do you use YouTube to sell a minivan? Each video gathered a bit more than 1.8 million views last week.


    Full Story:

    Read more: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100513/RETAIL03/100519924/1- - 018#ixzz0nuGa7pp3

    And in case anyone's been living in a turtle shell all month:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql-N3F1FhW4

    Straight ownin' bake sales
    With my cupcake skillz


    :D
  • How is the replacement van? Just wondering if the new van is also leaking. We got one this past weekend and I tempted to pour some water on it. :D
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    Do you want your new van to leak, so Toyota will take it back?
  • holleholle Posts: 10
    Can anyone tell me how you operate the 2011 sienna limited DVD while in motion? i currently own the 08 model and the lack of controls for the adults is beyond frustrating.
    I see that the DVD unit has been moved to the front (where it should be)..and i read that you can control (play, stop, pause..etc) the DVD from the touch screen navigation. but is this true when the van is in MOTION and driving? my 08 model can only use these touch screen controls if the parking brake is on. Thanks!!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Had an hour to kill while my wife was getting a pedicure, so I checked out another 2011. Hadn't seen it since the Auto Show circuit back in January, and those were probably pre-production anyway.

    Dislikes:
    * even the brochure was cost-cut
    * some soft touch materials are gone
    * 8th seat is more Ody than 04-10 Sienna

    Likes:
    * backup cam on LE
    * express up/down windows on all 4 (!)
    * 17"s on LE model
    * 3 zone climate control
    * low profile wiper blades

    The paper used for the new brochure is thin, looks disposable. Funny since makes like Subaru have been using higher quality brochures recently, so that stood out. Who cares, I suppose.

    The dash looks good but feels hard. The upper glove box is just cheap. You see the hollow plastic hinges and can feel and even hear the cheapness.

    I sat in the 8th seat, and it's really a bridge, like the one in the Ody. A little wider, perhaps, but not a place I'd want to spend more than a short ride in. I saw the cup holders in the base that stays behind even when you remove it, but that would not bother me at all because the seats slide forward and leave a huge opening for 3rd row access. If you have little kids in safety seats that may be a hassle, but by the time you're in booster seats it won't matter any more.

    So that's the bad. Now the good.

    Base wheels on the LE are nice 17"s. I didn't drive it but I'm sure that'll do better than the mushy 65 series tires on 16"s on my 2007 LE.

    All 4 power windows have one-touch up and down, all 4! I expect that on an Audi, perhaps, but certainly not on a Sienna LE. Pleasant surprise.

    Same for a backup cam while we're at it. And 3 zone climate control.

    Finally, they went to low-profile wipers. Minor touch, but they look nicely streamlined and probably help reduce noise and drag.

    All in all, I'd really miss the 8th seat, but other than that, I'd have to say they made more improvements than they had cost-cutting measures.
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    Your assessment of the 2011 Sienna interior is same as those that started complaining when the Venza was introduced. It seems like Toyota is going backward on interior quality appointments.

    It is not the cup holders that remain after the 8th seat is removed that bother me. It is the seat bases that remain after you remove the second row of seats. (At this time the cup holders come out with one of the two seats) These bases are just plain in the way if you need all the cargo room in the van behind the front seats.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I briefly looked at a Venza, too. The Venza still has some padded surfaces, the dash material is better for instance.

    They also had a Camry Hybrid in the showroom, and it had a nicely padded dash, best among the three of them, actually.

    I wonder if Honda will follow suit, i.e. cost cutting on the materials.

    At least Toyota added content to offset that.

    I did not remove the seats completely, so I didn't notice the seat bases.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Saw that yesterday.

    That's a strong roof! It held more than 4 times the Sienna's weight! And the van is no lightweight.
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    It's good to know that Toyota can build a strong roof. Now they need to get to work making the interior up to previous Sienna quality.
  • victor23victor23 Posts: 201
    "So if you do the "internet pricing" and they give you a price, is that their final bottom line price or do you haggle over that price too?"

    Sorry if you don't need the answer any more, but yes, you can haggle, and I saved a couple of grands this month by doing exactly that. Moreover, somewhere I came across a new "dealer's" definition what the "internet price" is: below MSRP but above invoice !?!
  • victor23victor23 Posts: 201
    "Time for a re-re-design!! 2012 by any chance??"

    Uh-oh... This forum is NOT about politics...
  • tyyeh0tyyeh0 Posts: 43
    Hi DLu,

    We are thinking about getting a limited also. Which dealer did you use for your deal? Also, what was the invoice $? How do you like it so far.

    Tom
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    edited May 2010
    Here is my list of improvements I would like to see in the next update:

    - Improve interior quality
    - Bring back the comfortable 8th passenger seat
    - Move back the interior lamp controls to dash ('04-10), why the heck place it on roof?
    - Hidden rear wiper maybe cute, but almost worthless. Bring back the old one.
    - Auto dimming exterior mirrors even in lower end models, not just on Limited
    - Make power rear liftgate also available on LE/SE
    - Illuminate the glove boxes (Camry is very good).
    - Bring back storage bins in front doors (below armrest)
    - Interior door pull handles similar to highlander, etc.
    - Navigation should be Hard-Drive based.
    - Built-in MP3 player, with a minimum of 20 gb hard drive.
    - Standard Bluetooth is nice, but why limit imports to worthless 20 contacts??
    - Add stowage below the middle row seats, like Chrysler's stow'n'go models features.

    Otherwise, I think it is perfect.

    Anyone to add to this list?
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    edited May 2010
    Nice list, samnoe.

    Here are some of my thoughts to add to your list.

    When removing the second row seats, make the seat bases also easily removed. Leaving the current seat bases behind takes up too much room when cargo room is needed.

    Push button start should be a low cost option, instead of a 4K+ premium pack item. Much lower cost vehicles now have this feature. (IIRC Ford Focus, etc.)

    Lighted arrows in the outside rear view mirrors should be another low cost option, instead of only on the Limited. It is a real safety feature.

    Another plea for better interior construction.

    An option for a darker color interior, in addition to the current light grey and bisque selection.

    Bring back the Blizzard Pearl color for the XLEs.

    Better steering feel. Current van feels disconected from road, almost like driving on ice.

    Quieter engine and cabin.
  • 18.3 for me, almost all in the city.
  • victor23victor23 Posts: 201
    Samnoe:
    - Hidden rear wiper maybe cute, but almost worthless. Bring back the old one.
    Would you please elaborate, why do you think this is a bad design?

    Nobo:
    Agree about seats. I would say, more than that. Easily retractable (folded down or forward like on 04-10 Siennas) seats make for a very versatile and practical vehicle. If the only way to make room for cargo is to remove the seats altogether, and especially if these seats are heavy and ungainly, and after that one still has to worry about seat bases, well, this is not what minivans are valued for. This may still be a good vehicle, but a different one, not multipurpose and practical. Anything but. Not "everything hauler", just "people hauler". Like my previous Olds Silhouette 1999. Actually, after learning about new seat design, I all but crossed new Sienna out of my future shopping list and will possibly try to stick to my 05 Sienna as long as possible. Or maybe even consider a Chrysler if the company won't go belly-up in a year or two.

    Turn indicators on the sides (mirror or elsewhere) must be standard on all vehicles, like in Europe. Maybe someday they will.

    Now, about "disconnected steering feel", this is debatable. Some people feel better this way, others - another way.
  • tfaw_bigtfaw_big Posts: 9
    Just bought a Sienna LTD AWD. I have a few questions.

    Question (1) My Sienna came with run flat tires which I have my doubts about. My specific question is how the run flats will fare in the snow of Chicago 'burbs. On my 2004 Sienna, I simply had an extra tire in the back, because it was just too darn hard to get the little spare from underneath the seat. I'm guessing the tire type matters as much or more than the drive train. So, if anyone has any comments about run flats (these are Firestones but don't know the specific type) working in winter conditions, it would be great to hear from you...

    Question (2) Has anyone purchased the cross bars available from Toyota for the roof rack - wondering if I should go to aftermarket for the cross bars - all I want to do is to put a Thule luggage carrier on top.(side note - pretty hard to believe the LTD does have the cross bars as a standard feature!)

    Question (3) I do want to haul bicycles, but want to use the hitch system. Can anyone offer up ideas on where to go to get this on an after-market, as the Toyota people tell me they don't quite offer this up yet on the 2011.

    Thanks
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Nice list, sam.

    I'd add one and change one slightly:

    1. Bring back the tailgate position for the 3rd row, it disappeared.

    2. Instead of HDD-based, let's see a flash memory based Navi/music server. This is where the tech is headed, moving parts only break later in life so hard drives will go the way of the dinosaur.

    Cost? 32 Gigs of flash memory at Micro Center cost just $60 at retail.

    Better yet - make it portable, so you can load music in the comfort of your own home.

    Heck, let me add #3 to my list: let owners add quarterly map updates using the same portable flash memory for a subscription fee instead of selling outdated sets of DVDs!

    Dealers could perform the same updates at dealerships as well.
  • victor23victor23 Posts: 201
    Oh, I agree about HDD. I also thought about it, but forgot to mention in my previous post. I don't, actually, believe moving HDD would become unreliable before becoming obsolete: it works pretty well in laptops and camcorders, However, Flash memory is indeed so much nicer in many respects. And portable too.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Having no moving parts makes flash memory ideal for mobile devices, such as in-car entertainment.

    We have fleets of laptops and we see hard discs crash all the time. At 3 years I'd say a good 20-40% of them fail depending on the model. What are the odds that one in a car will work 10 years from now?
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    edited June 2010
    Flash memory is much more appropriate in a moving vehicle, running into potholes and over bumps. Non moving parts is the way to go. Besides, it is much quieter. In my previous Chrysler T&C, the hard drive was SOOO noisy when thinking, and was thinking a lot - meaning to say it was very slow as well... Flash memory is much better at both - Faster and quieter.

    Someone asked me above:

    "... Hidden rear wiper maybe cute, but almost worthless. Bring back the old one. Would you please elaborate, why do you think this is a bad design?..."

    Here is my answer. Look at the real estate that the older design wiped away, compared to the newer one. It wipes much less space. I admit that the newer design have some advantages, like being easier to clean rear glass, less weight on wiper when heavy snow, etc. But bottom line we need MORE of everything... Not less... (And I am still unsure if it is more complicated to change the hidden rear wiper. Anyone knows?).
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..Turn indicators on the sides.."

    But why not on the bottom of the outside mirrors so they could be seen front and back...??

    And "puddle" lights included..?
  • victor23victor23 Posts: 201
    Yes, what I meant is, anywhere on the side, including, like you say, on the outside mirrors, or even right on the fender, I don't care. Many Nissan and VW vehicles have these lights on the mirrors, even the relatively low-end ones.

    "Lighted arrows in the outside rear view mirrors" would be better than nothing, though.
  • minimommyminimommy Posts: 13
    Dealer says 2011 Sienna has brake override... I know Siennas not part of recall (not even prior model years)... but does anyone know if SUA is fixed in these new Siennas? (Some reports of older Siennas with SUA) It's the only concern keeping me from getting a 2011 Sienna right now... but my other option of 2010 Odyssey I think has too many transmission issues and I don't trust 2011 Ody until it's transmission proven. But unless SUA is fixed, I may have to risk Ody. Thank you.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    You can bet good money that any brake over-ride implemented this quickly will simply be a firmware subroutine incorporated within the engine/transaxle's ECU main control code. So if the SUA is the result of this ECU's instruction execution sequence going into a "deadly embrace" loop or the like nothing will have been accomplished.

    Just like the "virtual", non-functional, brake over-ride in the Sike's Prius.
  • I don't know anyone who does not regret getting the run flat tires. They are expensive to replace and not easy to find. Budget anywhere from $1,000-$1,200 to replace the set. Traction has been okay...but don't get as much snow as you do.

    Good Luck! That's a great looking van.
  • foggy6foggy6 Posts: 6
    Just a few words from an owner of three Sienna vans...2004, 2006 and now 2011. For the naysayers about the Nav system, had it on all three, it is always spot on and when you have it on "ETA", rarely if ever is off more than a minute if that. As far as the dash, it works for us and in fact seems to be better than the soft effect what with a German Shepherd that "owns" the vehicle. It is her only choice for travel. The run flats are wonderful, and we live in snow country and travel to upper MI several times a winter to ski, never had a traction problem. Also have run flats on our Corvette, after hitting a deep, wide pothole in norther MI several summers ago on a golf trip at about 75 mph, had we had regular tires on it, I probably won't be here to type this. I'll take run flats any day. As far as safety concerns, I really don't have any with our Toyotas. Wife still drives '97 4Runner Limited, purchased new, she still loves it and we have never had the first problem with it.

    Had a transmission leak on the 2006 van, Toyota put a remanufacured replacement in under warranty and worked flawlessly.

    I believe the media helped undercut Toyota's reputation to better Government Motors. If you checked the papers closely, other companies had problems and continue to have recalls but that didn't get front page coverage.

    Before someone jumps on me about being pro Toyota, I am; however, the American car companies, I believe have finally awaken from their stupor, and are building some much improved vehicles. Remember, we do have an American vehicle, the Corvette, and have had few problems with it... second one in fact.

    We buy the Siennas because no one else offers what we need currently. Are we satisfied with them quality-wise, you bet. Are we satisfied with every little change on the new one, no, but don't ever remember when that wasn't true with a change in any of our vehicles. A lot of time, it is called living with change. Overall, I would highly recommend our Sienna Limited with AWD and run flat tires.

    Sorry for going on but have read all this negativity and had to vent a little on the other side of the equation.
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