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2011 Toyota Sienna

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  • victor23victor23 Posts: 201
    I have an impression that all new Toyotas have override after this PR scare. Please someone correct me if I am wrong. I agree, however, with wwest (as I too posted somewhere long ago) that there is little point to add one more piece of electronic solution (be it soft- or hardware) to already malfunctioning electronics (you guys don't really believe this fairy tale about mats/pedals, or do you?)

    Having said that, the whole issue of SUA is probably mostly a play of imagination. The brake pedal is very close to the accelerator, and that's probably it. The recent reports of SUA have been proven either hoax or a driver error (as it probably almost always was), and you bet poor workman blames his tools. At the very least, this issue was blown out of proportion, and if I were in your shoes, I myself wouldn't dwell on it. I actually almost bought a Toyota last month (changed my mind for unrelated reasons).
  • I bought the Limited and ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!! There has been only one problem.... The front under carriage got caught on a speed bump or one of those stoppers in parking lots. I am very cautious with my Sienna, I was going slowly over speed bump and pulling into parking spot. I heard a small scrape, I stopped, and put it in reverse and slowly backed off. I was already mad, cause I knew that the undercarriage was going to be scraped, which happens. Once parked I got out to see how bad the scrape was, to my amazement at first it wasn't bad. Then I got to the passenger side......AND MY BUMPER WAS HANGING!!! It snapped right off the clips, the foglight was hanging with the parking sensor!! I could totally understand if I was being reckless, but no one else in the Van knew that I had even scraped it, BARELY TOUCHED IT!!! The bumper did snap back on, but left a small scrape where the two meet. The broke off one of the clips on Foglight, so I atleast need a new foglight. Has anyone else had this problem?? Is at $45.000 vehicle really made that cheap?? Why would you have thin plastic as the skid plate?? I'm calling Toyota, but before I did I wanted to know if anyone has had any problems like this. THANKS!!!
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    I can easily buy into the brake vs accelerator pedal "confusion" but NOT the mile after mile minute after minute SUA events, certainly not with the CHP driver and I even give Sikes a great deal of creditability until proven otherwise.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The previous model Limited had those arrows in the mirrors, pretty neat.

    My 07 has puddle lights at the bottom of the door. To be honest I think that's the best place, because the light is close to where you need it.

    They could move it to the mirror but then the door itself would block the light.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    certainly not with the CHP driver and I even give Sikes a great deal of creditability until proven otherwise.

    I'm not sure if you've been keeping up with this story, but here's a quick Cliff's Notes for those who haven't.

    The CHP driver, Saylor, was driving the same Lexus that another person had loaned out and had the mat stick on the accelerator. So that same exact car had mat interference, and remember, this was a rubber mat from a different Lexus model, so it didn't fit properly from the get-go. That other driver reportedly observed the mat getting stuck, yanked it out, and solved the problem himself.

    He reported this to the receptionist at that Toyota dealer, and that's where the dealer failed miserably - that wasn't communicated to anyone who would remove that already-jamming mismatched rubber mat.

    Same exact car (not just model, I mean same VIN). So it's not unlikely, not at all, that the same thing happened to Saylor, in the same exact car.

    Sikes was the porn salesman (I'm not kidding) with the Prius who was bankrupt and was on watch lists in more than one state for financial fraud.

    If you listen to the 911 call, which was recorded, the operator tells him to put the car in nuetral 3 times in a row, and he ignores the command saying he could not do that and drive at the same time.

    Later, in interviews he says he reached down with his hands and pulled up on the accelerator pedal, but a person of his stature would not have arms long enough to reach the pedals in the first place. Plus, how could he not push the shift lever to N, yet he could grab the accelerator pedal while doing 100mph?

    Way too many inconsistencies in that story, plus a financial motive for him to lie.

    I'm not saying every case can be explained, but those two, which got hyped by the media, do not appear to be legit UA complaints.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Bernard - that's his name. The guy that drove that same loaner Lexus just before Saylor did.

    So Bernard drove the Lexus, the mat jammed, he removed it which fixed the problem. Then he returned it and complained. Saylor drove the same car, and sadly died when the exact same thing happened to him.

    Sikes, meanwhile, wanted the attention to publicize a web site he owns, adultswinglife.com.

    No, seriously.
  • victor23victor23 Posts: 201
    This is going to be my last pondering on UA in this thread, because this is a bit out-of-topic, and we have some threads dedicated particularly to UA.

    I am not very well familiar with all the CHP circumstances, therefore I am ready to concede that this case is a legitimate one. Along with other only 5 or 6 cases which have been considered legitimate (even if not definitively proven) so far. Sikes case has been proven and dismissed as hoax by tech experts, which is, in my view, the most credible piece of opinion of all that we can have now. I don't even need "character assassination", though it by itself kills any vestiges of credibility he might still have.

    BTW, ateixeira, see how you publicise the Sikes' website yourself ;-)

    Having said this, I always had difficulty to fully believe in "mile after mile minute after minute SUA events"; there is something bizarre in it, something not adding up. I understand someone pressed the pedal and suddenly hit a wall, duh. But if it becomes prolonged, I don't know, it seems to me a subconscious reaction of anyone involved would be at least to turn this d-ed ignition off! Even though I know that this is a wrong course of action.

    Now, there is a funny thing. Anecdotal, though, as it is. I've heard or read somewhere pretty recently that there is a statistics of UA reports before and after installation of the brake override, and there was no change whatsoever! I don't remember where and when was it, sorry for that. Neither I remember what vehicle/brand it was, maybe Chrysler? I don't remember also what was the conclusion of the story, but this, again, casts doubt either on the usefulness of override, or, more compelling to me, on the true nature of UA reports.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..same Lexus that another person had loaned out (been loaned)..."

    Good, GREAT, "cover" story if Lexus/Toyota wanted to move blame to Saylor....

    So for Bernard has refused to comment...
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..before/after..brake override...there was no change.."

    If the engine/transaxle firmware is itself faulty that would be EXACTLY as expected.
  • lonnie4lonnie4 Posts: 11
    Went to a Toyota dealer to drive a Sienna. Couldn't afford XLE with leather... and dealer would not come down in price (31,499). Looked at LE with cloth seats..backup camera..xm radio They are asking 28,290 told me he would come down to 28,020 plus give me 5,000 for my 2003 Avalon XLS with 134,000 miles on it. Said I would finance $25,000 that includes tax, platium pkg, undercoating , etc. He also told me I could get 3 month defered payment on my loan. WOuldn't have to make my first payment until Sept. He said this was a one night deal. I walked away politely and told him I had to think first. He asked for my insurance, driver license and I said what for... he said so he could get the paper work going when I decided. I said no, I would call him.

    Should I have made the deal? payments would be 521 per/60 month or
    458 per 66 month.

    Could use your advice.

    Thanks Lonnie
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    Walk, no RUN from this "deal". If you review the last 5 or so pages, you will see buyers getting much better prices.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Anecdotal, though, as it is. I've heard or read somewhere pretty recently that there is a statistics of UA reports before and after installation of the brake override, and there was no change whatsoever!

    Media attention has increased the rate of reports dramatically. IIRC NHTSA experienced a 40% increase in complaints filed with the ODI.

    If there is "no change" now that means the brake override has offset those increases caused by all the attention drawn by the media.

    Anecdotally that would mean the brake override is working fantastically well.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Official San Diego Sheriff's Incident Report...

    http://autos.aol.com/gallery/saylor-crash-report/

    Go to p. 23: Bernard was able to shift to neutral and pull over, engine revving. He lifted the accelerator pedal, which took some force, and it stopped.

    The mat was not attached to the retaining hook - it could not have been, because it was not designed to fit that car.

    You always seem to think you're right, but remember, you were the one who insisted there was no 4 cylinder Sienna, and you turned out to be wrong on that as well. A little humility goes a long way.
  • lonnie4lonnie4 Posts: 11
    DO I really need Ext Warrenty? OR Rust Paint Fab? Makes my car payment go up. I just don't trust car dealers. :(
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    No and no. Extended warranty does give peace of mind, and can be purchased from some internet dealers at a reduced price.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    retriever1 got these from the complete price book from Midwest Toyota:
    T3-TOYOTA SIENNA VAN,

    6 YEAR 75,000 MILES $509.00,
    6 YEAR 100,000 MILES $749.00
    6 YEARS 125,000 MILES $1,019.00

    7 YEARS 75,000 MILES $594.00,
    7 YEAR 100,000 MILES $889.00
    7 YEARS 125,000 MILES $1,144.00

    8 YEAR 75,000 MILES $709.00
    8 YEARS 100,000 MILES $1,039.00
    8 YEAR 125,000 MILES $1,399.00

    Some pretty good values in there...
  • victor23victor23 Posts: 201
    Actuaries at insurance companies etc know their business pretty well. Therefore, my own approach: buy insurance/warranty/protection plan to cover losses which you absolutely will not be able to deal with by yourself (examples: health insurance, auto liability coverage, homeowner insurance). In other cases, you will be, in all probability, better off not buying it. "In all probability" are the key words here, if you understand what does it mean. I once had a car (Olds) when I got more from ext warranty than paid in premiums, though not much more.

    Concerning dealer offered options, all auto websites give the same advice that other posters gave already: they are either useless (like rust protection) or grossly overpriced.
  • dann80dann80 Posts: 18
    Where is this Midwest Toyota dealership located? Is there someone specific to contact to get those warranty prices?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Ask toyfan4, who just purchased from them. Link to the thread:

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f1541e2/106#MSG106
  • toyfan4toyfan4 Posts: 3
    edited June 2010
    not sure whether it is okay to post supervisor names here ? but here are store details...try calling 800 number and if you couldn't get same quote then let me know your email id , I can pm you contact details.

    Midwest Toyota
    Midwest Superstore
    1100 east 30th
    Hutchinson, Ks 67502
    800-530-5789
  • rjeokrjeok Posts: 7
    I have a 2004 Sienna XLE that has front & rear sonar and laser cruise control. I dodn'twant to get a Sienna limitted to get these options ( I think the garmin nuvi gps is far superior to the Toyota). My question is: can I get a stripped down xle and have the sonar and laser cruise control added by the dealer service dept or other after market installers. Thanks for the help.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited June 2010
    Sienna just got added to our list of possible future purchases.

    Drove a rented 2010 (maybe 2011 but 40k miles so probably wasn't) in the Tampa area last week. Initial impression was...Wow, quiet riding, virtually no wind or tire noise.

    So much so that I checked the tire type for future reference. Dunlaps, so the tire quietness was more likely due to no use for tire studs in FL, no "cobbled" up road surfaces as we have here in WA.

    The ability to open/close the rear quarter panel "winglets" from the driver's position in order to purge the HOT cabin atmosphere after the Sienna (Red/beige/cloth) was parked in the hot sun was a definite asset. Probably also an advantage to alleviate the helicopter booming if the middle windows need to be open.

    Drove from Orlando to Tampa, Dunedin, area, spent the week, and then back to Orlando. ~450 miles, 20+ MPG overall, V6, a pleasant surprise.

    Now if the F/awd Sienna could just be purchased with the new I4 with DFI (12:1 CR).

    A/C capability was not quite adequate for the FL heat and took forever to cool the cabin atmosphere and material surfaces down after setting in the how sun. So in a climatic area such as FL I would not recommend the purchase of any color other than white, a highly METALLIC white, with a light interior color.

    NipponDenso HVAC design idiocy continues.
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    AWD with the I-4? You are kidding, right?
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    No, the HL is available that way and only weighes a few pounds +/-

    Give the 187HP I4 the additional HP/Torque with DFI (215..??) and it would have more than enough....

    Besides which my '92 Jeep Cherokee Limited had only 190HP with its I6, weighed a LOT more and served us quite well. Still doing so on a MT cattle and wheat ranch since ~01.
  • typesixtypesix Posts: 314
    2nd generation 4 cyl Highlander is not available with AWD, only FWD.
  • gwrace1gwrace1 Posts: 24
    I'm currently shopping for our first Toyota. Were getting ready to replace our 15 year old Dodge Grand Caravan.

    Were negotiating for a 2011 Sienna SE in South Pacific Pearl with the following options:

    TO - Towing
    SP - Preferred Package
    WT - Window Tint
    MR - Moon Roof

    MSRP - 34,219.00
    Invoice - 30,824.00

    Any idea what a fair price would be in the Austin, TX area?
    I'm getting quotes back in the 32-33K range.

    Thanks in advance for any input.
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    I would shoot for ~$30,500 area.
  • hellosivahellosiva Posts: 3
    I have a similar problem with my 2009 Sienna XLE. I took it to the dealer twice and they still haven't solved the problem. If I leave my van in the garage for a week, the battery is totally dead. The first time I took, the dealer said everything is fine and didn't do anything. The second time, they said battery is bad and changed it. I am taking it this week. I am suspecting the rear dvd navigation unit to be drain.
  • Really liking the Sienna, but are wanting to purchase the AWD drive model. Here is the issue, we do not like the "run flat" tires as they have poor road life and are expensive to replace.

    We were told that we could fit with normal tires, but there is no place for the spare.

    So my question is..... AWD vs Front Wheel Drive perfomance? We live in Colorado and want the AWD for mountain/ snow driving.

    Any info on driving/ handing performance would be so helpful! Is it worth the tires to have the AWD or vice versa?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's a tough call...our other car is a Subaru, which has fantastic AWD for the snow, so we weren't worried.

    I got FWD to avoid the run-flats specifically.

    Our van has a bit of trouble climbing steep slopes, the traction control is too intrusive. Hit the Off switch and it's a better (I don't think it turns completely off, just a higher treshold).

    I would consider a dedicated set of snow tires if I got FWD in that area.
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