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2011 Toyota Sienna

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  • I am trying to decide whether to buy a 2010 Sienna Limited model or wait for a 2011. My garage doors are a little narrow and the 2010 limited has power folding mirrors which make it more convenient to get in and out of the garage. On our old Sienna we have to stop the car, get out and manually fold the mirrors. This gets to be inconvenient in the rain or winter snow.

    I can't find any indication that the 2011 limitedmodel has the power folding mirrors. My dealer is trying to find out, but I was hoping someone here might have seen the car close up and could report on this feature.

    Barry
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Our nighttime vision, specifically color recognition, declines pretty seriously, precipitously, after age 60. Upgrading to HID headlights, brighter, narrower light spectrum (~4300K, close to our sun's light spectrum) can be of tremendous help.

    Simplest way to upgrade, legally upgrade, is called buying a "new" car. Absent that be sure the upgrade is done along "legal" lines and is of the projector type.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    I think you might have more luck going to Ebay and buying power folding mirrors to retrofit to a Sienna.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Thanks for clarifying which models get DI and which ones don't. Strange indeed.

    I wrote: "..The engine has the same 266hp in today's van..."

    You replied: Your point being....??

    My point being it did not get DI, which is what the OP was asking.

    Why is it that the F/awd Venza is available with the new I4 but not the HL or Sienna...?? The weight is about the same for all three.

    Actually the 2011 Sienna does get the 2.7l 4 cylinder option.

    EPA mpg improves by 1-2mpg.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Check the lens covers to make sure they're clean and totally clear. They can get hazy after 10 years. You may even want to polish them.
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    Plastic lenses on headlights fog over time. Like a cataract. There are plastic polishing kits sold at auto supply houses that can repair some of the problem.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    The new Sienna is NOT available with F/awd AND the 4 cylinder.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Sure it is, with FWD at least.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/02/la-2009-2011-toyota-sienna-could-wear-a-lexus- - -badge/

    That V6 is the same 3.5-liter Dual Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i) unit available today, with 266 horsepower. The engine is stout enough to give the Sienna a 3,500-pound tow capacity while returning mileage of 18 mpg city and 24 mpg highway. Also available in Sienna and LE will be the VVT-i 2.7-liter four-cylinder engine with 187 horses and a slight bump in mileage to 19/26.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,201
    I wonder if its going to have dumb tires like the Highlander? Hopefully, they'll stay mainstream with the new Sienna.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    What tires are those? You mean run-flats?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    I assume that you mean 2011.

    It depends entirely on supply and demand. There's no getting around that. At the initial launch when dealers have one vehicle to show I wouldn't expect to get a killer deal. Maybe in the Spring when supply can start flowing dealers will be willing to be flexible.

    However if it's a huge hit and demand exceeds supply you might have to wait until summer or fall. That's what happened when the Gen 2 Sienna was launched. It was launched in March of 03 and supply didn't catch up with demand until the following December.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,201
    Personally, there aren't any run-flats out there I'd want on any vehicle, but no, I'm talking about odd sized tires that have poor traction and durability, plus cost a fortune to replace. Let's hope Toyota doesn't repeat that stupidity on the new Sienna.
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    The biggest problem with run-flats that I see is that you're likely to have a big problem finding a replacement when you need one.
  • I'm somewhat new to Edmunds, and would appreciate how the discussion of run-flats, whatever they may be, has to do with headlight replacement. Can someone explain this please?
  • tsu670tsu670 Posts: 293
    "I'm somewhat new to Edmunds, and would appreciate how the discussion of run-flats, whatever they may be, has to do with headlight replacement. Can someone explain this please?"

    They're not related. I think your original post probably belonged in a different thread. This thread is about the new redesigned 3rd generation 2011 Sienna that was just unveiled this month. Someone asked if this new model will have "dumb tires" on it, and that led to a discussion about run-flats.

    You might get better results for your headlight question if you were to click "Add a discussion" under the "Search Toyota Sienna" field in the upper right of the screen.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Discussions here aren't threaded like other forums, perhaps that's created the confusion.

    Your question probably was under the wrong category of topics, hence the lack of responses.

    Maybe a Problems & Solutions category would be a better place to ask.
  • I think you have correctly identified the cause of my headlight problem. Getting older has so many surprised and it appears I have discovered yet another.

    Thanks wwest. If you aren't a physician, perhaps you should be.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    http://www.insideline.com/toyota/sienna/2011/2011-toyota-sienna-first-drive.html- #add-comment

    Not sure about that 0-60 estimate, seems way too conservative.

    They really liked the handling, but noted the loss of legroom.
  • Time to build a bigger garage!
    Just finished my 2 car- 10 foot ceilings- 16x8 door with all cedar siding and trim plus its got attic storage space.

    No wonder I could only afford a used CE.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Sounds like a garage-mahal. :shades:
  • tsu670tsu670 Posts: 293
    "I am trying to decide whether to buy a 2010 Sienna Limited model or wait for a 2011. My garage doors are a little narrow and the 2010 limited has power folding mirrors which make it more convenient to get in and out of the garage. On our old Sienna we have to stop the car, get out and manually fold the mirrors. This gets to be inconvenient in the rain or winter snow."

    Looks like you can get power folding mirrors in the '11 Sienna Limited model, BUT it also looks like if you get the Limited you must also take the lounge seating in the 2nd row. Those seats each weigh 75 pounds and, as seen from pictures posted, leave something behind on the track when they are removed (so no flat floor where 2nd row is). The other thing to consider between the '10 and '11 model years, and this one is baffling to be sure, is that the '11 Siennas have much less leg and cargo room. You lose over 2" legroom in front, another 2" in the middle, and 3" in the rear.

    If you want a Limited but don't want lounge chairs in the 2nd row, and you do want more overall space (across all trim levels), then maybe the 2010 would be the better choice.

    At first I was glad for waiting for the '11 Sienna unveiling. Now, after seeing the '11 specs, I'm not so sure. The selection of '10 Limiteds in our area is getting sparse.
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    Where did you find the info on lost interior space? I thought there was space gain on the 2011 Sienna.
  • tsu670tsu670 Posts: 293
    Toyota released the info last week:

    www.autoblog.com/2009/12/18/toyota-releases-full-product-information-guide-for-2- - - 011-sienna/

    (There're no spaces or hyphens in the "2 011-sienna" part of the link, but that's the way it always wants to post on this forum; should be just "2011-sienna"; sorry)
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    In case you have an interest in the F/awd model the 2011 Sienna has adopted the new system used in the Venza and 2010 RX350. Big improvement over the 2010 "one-wheel" drive system but not yet the equal of the SH-AWD system.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Can you elaborate a bit?

    What type of system is it? What's the power split?
  • tsu670tsu670 Posts: 293
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/toyota-announces-pricing-for-all-new-201- - 1-sienna-minivan-79832922.html

    This article says lounge seating is standard on both the XLE (AWD version) and the Limited:
    "The XLE offers substantially more standard content at its value-driven MSRP of $32,175, even when compared to the LE. The XLE builds on the LE, adding standard features such as second-row Lounge Seating (AWD only), 18-inch alloy wheels, power moonroof, heated driver and passenger seats with adjustable temperature control, textured leather-trimmed eight-way power driver's captains chair and four-way front passenger captain's chair, towing package, power swing-out rear quarter glass, power rear door, fog lights, wood-grain-style trim, tri-zone automatic climate control system with air filter and rear control panel, optitron meters, and an anti-theft system with engine immobilizer."
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Why AWD only? Once again Toyota's packagin makes NO SENSE!

    towing package

    Used to be standard, on my 07 LE Pkg 3. Dropped for MY2008.

    power swing-out rear quarter glass

    Oh noes! More cost cutting. My LE has that. I think mine has the immobilizer, too.

    So they definitely cut a few things out, but I'll trade those off for a backup cam and power rear hatch any day.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Most of the time FWD only, 50/50 with HARD/WOT acceleration and 80/20 even with acceleration while turning. It's unclear just what happens with inadvertent/unexpected wheelspin when in FWD only mode. The way it reads is that although it will instantly couple in the rear drive it also INSTANTLY dethrottles the engine and starts braking the front wheels.

    Definite advantage for start-out, initial acceleration on a slippery surface but just as bad as the old system, TC "enforced" F/awd, for unexpected loss of traction. But I suppose that should be an expected reaction to FWD wheelspin/slip in order to provide the absolute maximum FWD safety factor.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The VSC is a bit hyper-active. I turn it off to drive my FWD Sienna up a snowy driveway, which it struggles with, even with little snow.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Hire a chauffer:

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