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2011 Toyota Sienna

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  • So, we needed a new van quickly. Wife wanted the new Sienna, so we picked up a Salsa Red XLE model (8 passenger, FWD) that was loaded. Dealer had to get it from upstate. We paid $2500 under the sticker which was the best that I could get. I did get an extended warranty thrown in with some creative number crunching. I'm happy with the deal and the warranty helps with all the electronics involved. Really liking it so far.Slightly louder at highway speeds than I would prefer, but not bad. Most of the complaints I've seen about the new Sienna are not things that bother me. If anyone has any questions, let me know.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Congrats! I've seen one other order, but you're the first I've seen who took delivery already.

    XLE + 8 seats was not something you could get with the outgoing model, so that's a nice little bonus.

    The warranty is probably worth $800 or so, so that sounds like a good deal to me, for such a brand new model.

    Let us know your gas mileage and any other early impressions.

    What did you own previously?
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,391
    Congrats. I think gas mileage is what we're all curious about, so when you've got a few tanks in it, let us know what you're seeing!

    15 Leaf / 08 RDX

  • OK. I'll need to reset the Mileage calculator tomorrow and give you guys a good read.
  • I'm an owner of a 2004 Sienna XLE - this was the first year of the 2nd gen. BTW, I am glad that I bought the platinum warranty, because the warranty was very used. I am a Toyota fan, and I have rationalized the problems stemming from the fact I bought in year one. One thing that really bother me on this van is that the front tires never last more than about 17,000 miles due to a systemic issue with the front end. Probably a lemon, but by the time I figured it out (when the third set of tires gave out) I had owned the car for three years. But we have also had a weld fail on the sliding door and the tranny gave out too. Having said that, this van has been very comfortable to ride, and we have made many trips to LA and SFO.

    In any event, it is time for what we think will be our final van. Yesterday, we checked out a 2011 XLE (did not test drive). Our first impression was the style of the van is pretty decent and well done. However, the rest was downhill for us, and in summary we think our old 2004 is a bit more roomy and has better interior materials. The big negative issues for us: the second row does not have nearly as much leg room as our 2004, and the leg room of the front seats seems slighty less than our 2004. The visibility is less in the 2011, as the rear window has a bizarre black out border, combined with a slightly sloping down roofline, which also results in less headroom. In summary, the 2011 is noticeably smaller inside where it counts. And since I'm 6'4", this counts for a lot. In addition, while there are some nice technology adds (like the add of a 100W plug-in), the materials seems inferior, although the comfort of the seats remains intact and are comfortable.

    We did not test drive, because we were not pleased with the new model, and did get a "wow" factor. In fact, it seemed like a step-down from our 2004, and we were left wondering what was the point of the new model. So at this point we will go explore other options, such as the Honda van and maybe go check out the Ford Flex. Maybe we will go back to the 2011 Sienna. Will keep you guys posted.
  • Congrats - that's best deal posted so far - at least 3K below sticker taking into account extended warranty.

    One dealer in Oakland is offering 2K under on the XLE. It seems to me that 2K under MSRP is "par" on an XLE, and anything better is a birdie or better.
  • Thanks! I like the soccer analogy. Anyway, we're snowed in here pretty good now and I probably won't be driving much this week. I'm glad things worked out for us because we couldn't wait until the summer (the '04 Quest was accelerating towards death) and we have a driving vacation at the end of month. I wasn't going to buy an Odyssey or Quest with the new ones coming this summer, so we took a chance. Wife really liked it. There is only a couple things that I don't really like so far. If you push the brake pedal down and let go fast, which is my habit, it makes a pretty decent noise when it pops up. The other is just that some of the buttons are a stretch from the driver side, but they're infrequently used. I'm nitpicking. The seats alone make it worth it to me. I love them.
  • Edit: I have no idea why I said soccer. I meant golf. :blush:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    What about a bargain on a left over 2010 model?
  • What's a realistic asking price for a leftover 2010 model? I've noticed the prices of the '10 are comparable to the new model at some dealers; they can't be serious. I admit to liking the outgoing model as much as gen three, but I appreciate that the newer version has the USB port standard, eliminating the time and hassle of having an aftermarket kit installed for the 2010.

    Unless I've missed it, I haven't heard anyone speak of the ride quality for the 2011 model. How does it handle? Is the ride smooth and supple? How would you rate it against the previous model?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Prices are up across the board compared to when I bought in 2007.

    2010s are nearly a grand more now.

    2011s are higher still. In the prices paid thread some got an LE V6 with only floor mats for $27 something. That was $24.8k back in 2007.
  • Thanks! I'll have to check out that thread shortly.
  • I have driven a number of Sienna's from 2004 through 2008 and have never found a comfortable seating position - is the driver seat in the 2011 any improvement over the previous incarnations, I know they added two inches to the fore/aft travel which should help some . It would be nice if they would just put the Lexus LX seats in it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    We're all shaped differently, so I think that's something you're going to have to test-fit at a dealership.

    Make sure you deploy the arm rests, they help.
  • I can't speak for previous models, but I mentioned earlier that the seats were my favorite part of the 2011 model. For those asking about mileage, it appears to be exceeding the quoted Highway estimate with cruise control in use. Around 25 mpg when driving mostly at 69 mph. City mileage appears to be around 19.
  • I feel a bit silly for asking this but....

    I am halfway through my first tank of gas on my new 2011 XLE. When I go to fill it up what grade of fuel should I use?
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    Have you read your owners manual? Sooo much great info in there.

    IIRC, the Sienna uses Rugular fuel.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Regular.

    There are higher output versions of the 2GR V6 (in a lot of Lexus models for instance) and those require premium, but not the Sienna.
  • caliskywatchercaliskywatcher Posts: 5
    edited February 2010
    Thanks a lot for the responses on fuel type. Haven't had time yet to read the manual and still can't figure out the interior lights so I guess it is time to open it up :blush:
  • tarukytaruky Posts: 18
    So we have a 2005 Sienna and I saw the 2011 Sienna at the DC auto show and recently at a dealer. At the auto show I got to see a Limited version. Personally, I find the new interior to look cheaper than the 2nd generation model. As some have noted, the plastic is harder and less rich in appearance. I do not like the faux wood, it reminds me of that fake wood on the station wagons from the 1980's. How often do you see wood that dark and dull in a luxury car? The navigation system frame and the way it sits on the dashboard almost has an aftermarket appearance.

    There are some positives. It's a lot more utilitarian than the 2nd generation model.

    Our car really felt a lot like driving a Lexus, albeit an entry level one. I wish Toyota took this generation one step further in that regard instead of one step back.
  • nobonobo Posts: 305
    So did you drive the 2011? How does it compare to your 2005 on the road?
  • tarukytaruky Posts: 18
    Unfortunately I haven't driven it yet, just sat in the car and soaked in the cabin. I was really writing about the interior feel. I'm sure it drives really nicely, I'll post something on it after test driving it. Maybe it will grow on me.
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Posts: 508
    What is Toyota thinking with the packaging of this thing??? In the Mid-Atlantic region, the ONLY way to get the DVD system is to get the premium package--so you have to buy the $32900 XLE, then add the $6250 premium package. Therefore, you've got to pay $39k just to get a rear entertainment system?

    That's nuts. The previous-gen Sienna was not packaged this way--at one point, it was possible to even get it on the LE. The Odyssey made RES available on the EX-L--and made NAV a separate add-on.

    There are a lot of families who want the DVD system. I have an 07 Odyssey EX-L with 30k miles. I've been generally happy with it but with two kids now, I wish it had integrated DVD (we have strap ons but its hard to operate). Given that my Ody is still worth a ton, I'd be interesting in trading...but not at those prices.
  • zawaprzzawaprz Posts: 2
    edited February 2010
    No.. this is not true!! To get DVD system you can get EY and C4 package.. that's total 35700 for MSRP.. that is base xle 32K + ~2.5K!

    BTW; the mentioned package has 6 speakers Toyota's sound system that simply sounds better from JBL's 10 speakers! Good news it's coming without their GPS!!

    (that's what we've got): with that you still get IPOD support and blue-tooth as standard! *just reminder: no HID (*that's for Limited), and not second moon-roof (another Limited)...

    We like ours: has fantastic projector light (very bright, with white angle), and superb high beam! Also the very comfy leather seats!

    Very intuitive blue-tooth programming for phone connectivity.

    As mentioned earlier over 19mph in city like environment when you drive watching your little Eco green light, that is while very tender on accel. pedal.

    Just remember; you'll not have a smart key, or 3rd row electrically folded as opposed to model you mentioned for 39K. I did not care about those toys especially that Toyota's 6 speakers sounds more 'with juice' than that legendary jbl 10 speakers, so for us that was a clear winner. Heaving Video-DVD with this system + all rest with no smart key, and electrically folded 3rd row (and rest all the same) did work.
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Posts: 508
    Not in the Central Atlantic Region--you can't even order one that way, according to buyatoyota. Or go look at www.fitzmall.com -- my preferred dealer--they've got about 100 Siennas on order--not a single one configured the way yours is.

    That's the rub with Toyota--regions determine configurations. Its insanity.
  • I have been looking forward to getting a new Sienna, now I'm not sure. The 2011 has the color options of almost white with a hint of tan, or almost white with a hint of grey. What was Toyota thinking? After all,don't most van owners have kids?, Its hard to buy a car that you know( without a doubt) will see some type of liquid accidently dropped or ground into the seats. At least with the older models sienna, the darker seats helped hide the kiddy prints.
    With four kids, how could I possibly buy a car/van that I know will be stained with in two days?
    If anyone at Toyota cares, let the Sienna have a darker interior, as it stands now, only the sport model SE can opt for this necessity.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    More likely the (st,d)ealer's are at fault, they want the profits from aftermarket DVD sale and install.
  • fessfess Posts: 1
    On the '10, you can get an LE with a DVD without having to upgrade trim level or buying a lot of other stuff in the package. In the 11 you have to go all the way up to an XLE and even then you have to get a package.

    I am replacing an 05 Sienna. Toyota had an easy sale in me. I'm waiting to see what Honda does now.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yup, dealers see the popular feature and push people upmarket to increase sales. At $2400 it is great, one of the best on the market, but still a cash cow for Toyota.

    My 12" screen was $900 installed. I could spend the other $1500 on a laptop for my wife, iTouches for each of my kids, and still have a few hundred left. Maybe a Nintendo DSi for my boy.

    That's a lot of dough.
  • I have been anxiously following the release of the 2011 Sienna since my 2000 Honda Odyssey is finally reaching the end of its useful life as a kid and co-worker transporter (only 70,000 miles). I've been carefully reading the comments in this and other forums, and decided it's time to visit my local dealership for an up close inspection. The dealer had a Mystic Teal Limited version in the showroom that I was given free access to.

    Everything was great until I went to sit in the 2nd row. I am only 6ft tall, but as soon as I sat in that comfortable 2nd row seat my head hit the roof. I had my coworkers sit in both seats and they too had the same exact issue. When the Toyota sales rep finally came over and asked if I had any questions I asked mentioned that I hit my head when sitting in the 2nd row. He commented that he's 6ft 2in and he didn't have any problem. So I asked him to sit in the seat so I could see. Sure enough, his head was firmly planted on the roof. His suggestion was to recline the seat which is far from an acceptable solution.

    When we returned back to my 2000 Honda Odyssey we carefully checked out the headroom and found that we had at least 5 inches between the tops of our heads and the roof. My Odyssey doesn't have a sunroof over the 2nd row, but this just made it more obvious to me that this could be a real issue for me.

    Has anybody else tried the 2011 Sienna Limited and observed the headroom issues in the 2nd row? Unfortunately I was unable to sit in an XLE to compare. I would need to regain at least 3 inches of headroom before I would even consider the Sienna. I really wanted the Sienna, but it looks like my hopes are now going to be on the new Honda Odyssey. If they've cut the headroom on that model I am not sure where my next vehicle will come from. Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated.
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