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Acura Integra - (All years/styles)

mznmzn Posts: 727
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As this wonderful car has become an integral part
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  • Just to satisfy my wife's curiousness...but does anybody have any idea how much one could get for selling a '92 LS Integra w/ 201k miles on it? Would I be crazy asking $4500? Or would somebody even desire a car like this, besides me?
    I'm not going to sell it, but I want to let my wife know that we'd be better off keeping the car and driving it onto +300,000 miles because it's not worth selling. I'd think I could at least get $3500... any comments.
    Edmunds.com's cool new TMV used car appraiser says I could get $5,800 for it!!!! Really?!! Automatic, clean condition, no mechanical problems, spoiler.
  • kjkjkjkj Posts: 3
    I am in the market for a used car and I am looking at a 96 LS Special Edition tomorrow. I would like to get some info/advice.

    1) What are the differences between the standard LS and the Special Edition. I found a feature comparison on Intellichoice, but the only differences were leather seats, custom wheels and different tires (which I'm sure have been replaced) I read somewhere that the Special Edition has suspension tuned like the type R. Any other differences?

    2) Do the coupes handle better than the sedans?

    3) The technology for ABS and airbags has improved since 1996. How has it change in the Integra?

    Thanks for the help!
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    1.)The LS Special Edition does NOT have a Type R suspension. Special Editions are LS models with the GS-R appearance upgrades, but not the mechanical bits. (In other words, the 140 hp engine, etc.) Honda does this a lot, like the with the Special Edition Accords (basically an LX model with a sunroof and alloys)

    2.) In theory, the coupe would handle better than a sedan, simply due to the extra body rigidity inherent in having two fewer doors, but they're mechanically identical and you'd be hard pressed to find a difference in real-world driving.

    3.) I'm not sure, although if I were to guess, I would imagine 2001 model Integras might have dual force airbags, but that's speculation on my part. I'd go to www.acura.com to find out.
  • Has anyone experienced a water leak, pass. side, under dash? Dealer has checked A/C, cowel, and windshield w/no luck. Also eliminated the drains from the sun roof. I'm desperate and running short on options. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    Did the dealer check the A/C drain tube? Blow it out with some compressed air. I bet thet'll solve your problem.
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    Of course, the previous post should read, "that'll ..."
    Anyway, the drain tube is located under the hood, probably on the right side of the car. They tend to get mold and sediment built up in them over time, and will cause leaking into the passenger compartment exactly where you describe it. This same thing happened to me with my Accord. The dealer didn't even charge me for the fix.
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    The Integra '96 SE is basically a '96 LS as Lancerfixer said but with alloy wheels & leather.
    Now, the suspension is not exactly the same as the LS but it's definitely not Type-R or anything close. The '96 Integra SE is supposed to have the GSR's 24mm front sway bar instead of the LS's 22mm one. Not sure if it has the GSR's front upper strut bar. You can look under the hood for that. Look for a black bar between the two shock towers (also called upper shock tower bar or front upper tie bar). If it's not black (with no writing), it means the owner has installed an aftermarket one and it most likely didn't come with one.
    Now I can't confirm the 24mm front sway bar. I was told that by someone who owned a '96 SE. It kind of makes sense because I remember seen a couple of road tests back in '96 of an Integra SE by R&T and C&D, and the roadholding (lateral g's) index and slalom speed were higher than those of an LS. It was almost identical to the GSR's. So I 'd have to make the conclusion that it has the GSR's beefier suspension or close to it or it's "tuned" to the GSR's suspension as you put it, not Type-R's.
    The coupes do handle slightly better than the Sedans because they're 100-150lbs lighter (thus faster too)! 100+lbs less means faster steering response & cornering and slightly less body roll.
    If you want Type-R handling with the SE let me know. I did it with my GSR. There are many aftermarket companies that make performance springs, shocks, sway bars & tie bars to improve your car's handling.
  • sueplsuepl Posts: 1
    I have just found this site & this is my first time asking a question. Here goes...my favorite car in the world was a 1988 intergra 5 speed. Unfortunately, i had to sell it. I am now looking to buy a new car but the new integras are a bit out of my price range & also seem expensive for what they are (seem a bit bland on the inside). So, I'm debating between a Civic HX or a Golf GL. My priorties in a car are reliability, fun to drive, low cost maintenance. When I buy my new car I want to buy piece of mind. I always thought Hondas were "bulletproof" but have been reading some of the postings & been getting scared. People looking fondly back on their 1988's...yikes! Also read examples of things falling off VW's. I know no car is perfect but can't decide between these 2. I'm 35 & plan to own this car for at least 5-7 years. All suggestions welcome!
  • A ceritifed used 1997-1998 Integra can be had for $14K-16K, even less if you lose the certification...hmm...lessee here...

    I looked at the ridiculously high-priced CarMax inventory here in Dallas-Fort Worth and found a 1996 LS hatchback, automatic, in green, with 44K for $12,598. Also a 1997 LS hatchback, automatic, in red, with 57K, for $13,998. And also a 1998 LS hatchback, 5-speed, in black, with 20K, for $15,998. New Integras (2000 model) are being advertised for $16,995 in the newspaper.

    I also know that BMW 318 hatchbacks are coming down in price. I saw a 1996 5-speed in red for sale not too long ago for $14,500. Ten years from now that will make a great courier car for me because it will be $4,500, more reasonable.
  • abbaabba Posts: 17
    FYI-

    The previously posted info. on the SE model suspension is correct. IE-Bigger roll bar.

    Also, in 1999, Acura upgraded all LS and GS model suspensions to GSR specs. The wheel and tires are even the same.

    -abba
  • You can get the 2000 LS around here for under 18 bottom line, out the door. (Maryland)
  • Hey y'all, has anyone seen, or know of any sites that have pics of the new Integra? Not just the spy shots that have been in almost every car magazine I've looked at... just wondering thanks if you can help...
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    Check out www.vtec.net in their news&rumors section. They've got a picture from a JDM magazine there. Honestly, I'm not too impressed with the front end...it looks like a cross between a Tiburon and a 300M to me.
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    The wheels are not the same in LS/GS as GSR. The LS/GS has multispoke wheels that weigh 16lbs. The GSR 5 spoke wheels weigh 15.5lbs. Only the GSR 4-dr has the same wheels as the LS/GS.
    The front sway bar (anti-roll bar) is still 22mm in the LS/GS, not 24mm as in GSR. Also, the LS/GS still doesn't come with an front upper strut bar as the GSR. Don't know where you 're getting this info, but go to an Acura dealership and look under the hood of an LS & GSR for the upper tie bar.. Everything else is the same, ie: springs, shocks, control arms, 14mm rear sway bar, etc.
    There are many other differences between LS/GS & GSR besides the motor and the head, such as different transmission, shifter, larger radiator, intake manifold, ECU... too many to mention.
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    I have a '97 Civic DX with 115k mi. on it. Only thing that went wrong was a speed sensor at 83k mi. Had an extended warranty so it covered it but I pretty much wasted the $600 I paid for the 100k mi. ext. warranty. If you keep up with the maintenance like tune-ups, change the fluids and filters regularly, the Civic will easily go over 200k mi. without major repairs.
    The only expensive maintenance item that I 've had is the timing belt (paid $389+tax at the dealer because they insist on replacing the water pump too, jerks) and you only have to do that every 80-90k mi. I 'm still on the original battery although I have a feeling it will die this winter since the car will be 4 yrs. old in 2 months. Had front brake pads & rotors replaced around 87k mi. Could 've had the rotors resurfaced but decided to go with new ones because they were only $48 ea. (www.hparts.com, dealer wanted $70) Still on the factory rear brakes. Can't complain. Honda parts are not expensive contrary to popular belief. I had a Geo Storm that I paid $90 for ea. disc rotor!
    I think the Civics are very reliable. There are guys with 200k+ on their Civics still racing them (autocross racing)! It's not the most comfortable car but it will get you from point A to point B. I drive mine hard and surprised how the shocks are still holding up pretty good, even after I 've had wider aftermarket wheels & tires on. It still corners very well and the ride is almost as it was when I bought it new.
    The Golf is a little better constructed which you can tell by each enormous weight for a small car. The average Golf weighs over 2800lbs where your average Civic is around 2350-2400. I 've been reading some scary stuff/troubles on new Golfs which I 've never seen on the Civic forum though. Most Civic owner complain about a rattle that comes from the rear. Mine comes and goes and I doesn't bother me. I have a Hatchback so some rattles are expected. I didn't get any for the first 60k miles though. After that I have one that comes and goes depending on how cold it's out.
    Next year I 'll probably be trading in it for another new Civic, maybe a '02. My commute is 160 mi/day and so far knock on wood I haven't got stuck once. You really can't go wrong with a Civic. I think the Golfs are reliable too but sometimes it's hit or miss or once you get all the little problems out of the way in the beginning, they 're ok, BUT the reports and surveys speak for themselves. The Civic always rates higher in reliability than any VWs. Don't get me wrong, the VW is a good car with a solid chassis, more options, slightly better handling, and gives better road feel, but since you emphasized reliability the Civic would be my choice.
  • The only pic I have seen of what is supposedly the new Integra is probably the same one everyone has seen, the camofalaged car driving up the ramp. Is it just me, or does this car look more like a Ford Focus coupe than an Integra? If this is the new Integra, it is very disappointing. It would be interesting to see an Integra with the 200hp Prelude engine though.
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    I think that one with the black cover on the rear half of the car driving up the ramp (of a truck?) looks a lot like the current integra. The roof and the hood is almost identical. I bet they just changed the headlights and the rear. I just hope the weight doesn't go up dramatically. It would be nice to see the Integra with 150-160ft/lbs of torque and a couple of hundred ponnies. It still looks like about the same size so I 'm hoping it's not more than 2750lbs. That's an 80lb increase which I 'm told is the weight difference between the GSR & Prelude motor. If it's 3,000lbs like the Prelude, then it won't gain anything in performance.
  • It would be nice to see 150+ stock torque numbers on an Integra.

    Anyway, I just joined this forum because I am considering the Integra GS-R. I am also considering the Celica GT-S and Impreza 2.5RS (only because it is AWD and I'm in New England). Just wondering what you guys thought.

    Also, does anyone know of a good exhaust that can be put on an Integra without making it sound like a dirt bike and preferably without a huge outlet? If i get the Celica or Integra the first thing I will do (after the stereo) is add an intake and exhaust to improve the torque numbers and I dont want a car that is incredibly loud at low revs.
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    I 've heard good things about the Greddy Power Extreme exhaust and the Comptech cat-back exhaust (a little expensive). Not too loud but you 're still going to have a fairly large tail pipe of 3-4" and pretty noticeable.
    The AEM Cold Air Intake provides the most gains for the GSR. Anywhere from 11 to 15hp and 7-9ff/lbs of torque at the wheels and only costs about $210. I got 12.4hp and 7.5ft/lbs (dyno'd the same day before and after) at the wheels. That's 15hp advertised at the flywheel. The additional power and acceleration are very noticeable.
  • Considering 98 GS-R. Long time Honda/Acura owner. Wanted to know of any common problems experienced by owners of GS-R's, 98 in particular. My intent is to gain valuable information, not to bash Acura. I' simply looking for kink in armor to put into perspective all the great things I have read and heard when making the overall purchase decision. Well aware of the benefits/pros now looking for cons/imperfections. Hopefully you will be receptive to my needs.
  • zacurazacura Posts: 13
    I got a 00' GS in June, and I am leasing it for 3 years. My question is, when the new model comes out, will my car hold it's value, or will the value go down as a result of the new model? Advice appreciated.
  • How much was the lease on your GS per month?...anyone know about how much a lease on a GS-R would be? I am thinking about leasing and then buying at the end of the lease as the monthly payments now will probably be easier for me right now than financing the purchase price.
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    I don't the the g3 Integras will depreciate more as a result of the new generation Integras. Has never happened in the past. I see in the paper '90-93 Integras for sale and their owners asking considerable amounts of $$.
    Excess depreciation would be to your advantage though if you plan to buy that leased car at the end of the lease.
    Anonymise: Well in the past 20 mos that I 've been on Edmunds, people have paid between $299-369/mo for leased GSRs - 3yrs/36k mi. Of course $369 is a little steep but $300-330. There was one guy I remember that was paying $370 for a 2yr lease. I saw a paper advertising GSRs in '98 for $289/mo (not sedans). The leases now should be pretty low because I believe there still is a $1500 or $2K factory to dealer incentive on all Integras (check Edmunds Rebates & Incentives section).
  • sunilbsunilb Posts: 407
    Lease payments are a function of the following:

    -term
    -down payment
    -lease charge factor
    -residual (determined by lessor: a bank or manufacturer)

    Generally speaking, lessors ALWAYS ding the residual on a car when a new model is about to come out: more so if it's a completely new model and less so if it's just a cosmetic update.

    If you are going to lease a car, educate yourself... dealers love to lease cars cause few people understand what's going on in these calculations. A good site is www.leasesource.com
  • abbaabba Posts: 17
    TO only1harry:

    I agree there are many OTHER differences besides supension between the LS and GSR.

    However, according to Acura's website, the sway bars are exactly the same. And, as you mentioned, the shocks, spring, bushings, etc. are also the same.

    I don't consider an upper tie bar part of the suspension. It's mainly for a stiffer body.

    And you may be right, about the wheels, but good luck noticing a .5 lb. difference. More importantly, the tires are still the same.

    ABBA (A fellow Honda/Acura fan)
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    You 're right. I talked to a few people and it seems the rear sway bar was a 13mm on '94 & 95 RS/LS. I guess it's been 14mm for a while. The Si has a 13mm sway bar so I think I confused it with that.
    The front upper strut bar plays a role in handling and steering. What about rear upper strut bar (in the trunk)? About 4 mos ago I added a Neuspeed one and it made a noticeable difference. The car turns faster now. Stiffening the chassis, means less body flexing and less forces on the springs & shocks thus better handling and sharper quicker steering. Tie bars absorb additional stress forces that would otherwise go to the suspension. A friend added a cross bar inside the car that goes between each side of the car low over the floor or the rear passenger area and he noticed an improvement in hadling immdediately. The Type-R has a smaller cross bar as well accross the trunk right behind the rear lights..
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    the upper tie bars attach to a major suspension component - the shock towers. This also limits movement of the shocks and helps retain camber, toe & caster settings longer. Proper alignment settings means better handling too.
  • crikeycrikey Posts: 1,038
    www.vtec.net just posted some 'official' looking info from Acura. It seems the new Integra will be the Acura RS-X.

    Check out the article and the picture.

    Hopefully, the production version will be everything everyone expected.
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    I guess it loses the name for sure..
    Looks pretty agressive and if this is a prototype we may not see it here until '03. Definitely looks like it means business.. Not bad. I doubt it will come with the pretty low front fascia and stuff. That may be an optional kit. Looks small and light. Let hope it has all the right stuff.
    I hate to say it but it kind of looks like a Celica a little doesn't it?
  • crikeycrikey Posts: 1,038
    Not sure if the '03 release date is accurate. The Acura MDX concept was introduced in the NAIAS last January 2000 and was released in the same year. I would not be surprised if they release the Teg replacement sometime late 2001. It could be the start of the way Acura does things.
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