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Toyota Celica (Hatchbacks / All Years)

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  • sf24sf24 Posts: 18
    Hi, do you guys know how much more i'd pay in insurance for a GT-S over a GT? I'm 25, clean record.

    Thanks!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    age 33 single, it was about $400/yr...

    as far as previous post, I hardly see any celicas for sale used, so you should price it up and see what interest you get...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • sf24sf24 Posts: 18
    Hi, do you guys know how much more i'd pay in insurance for a GT-S over a GT? I'm 25, clean record.

    Thanks!
  • sf24sf24 Posts: 18
    about the repeats...i unknowlingly clicked refresh too many times.

    thanks for your reply nippononly. that seems very cheap, is that comprehensive coverage?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    that was the price DIFFERENCE! Once I got my GT, my insurance for full coverage with $500 deductible collision, $100 comp was $1820 per year. It would have been well over $2000 for the GTS.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • sf24sf24 Posts: 18
    thanks for clearing that up, hehe
    i was thinking of shopping a GT with the 'upgrade package' and maybe some alloy wheels. that would push the price to within 2k-3k of the GT-S. can u give me your opinion about which to choose, ie. are the benefits of GT-S worth the extra 2-3k initial cost plus the cost of higher insurance, premium gas, lower mpg?
  • I've been thinking about my next car. If I leased another Celica, it would be a GT-S without spoiler, moonroof, carbon fiber. These are things that lose their value immediately when you drive off the lot. A GT-S with anti-lock, maybe CD-changer would be cool for me. I really enjoy the speed of the upgraded model!

    Insurance: I have a comprehensive package at $1900/year, but I had an accident which raised my premiums, I forget, 10% was it?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    it depends: are you a racer? AND...will you ever have to commute in this thing in stop and go traffic?

    If you are a racer, and someone who will never get tired of winding that engine out to its max even when you are going to the store for a loaf of bread, then YES YES YES the GTS is totally worth it over the GT. You can get the 16" rims and lower-profile tires stock too, so if you are not the type to do a lot of aftermarket stuff, this is another advantage for handling, which is razorlike on the GTS, really.

    BUT, if you are someone who will have to do a lot of low speed driving in it, then know this: the GTS is even more of a dog at low engine speeds than the GT, because the GT develops its torque at way lower RPMs.

    So if you are a stop and go commuter, I would stick to the GT. If you are someone who loves to wring out the engine to its max a lot of the time, you would never be satisified with the GT - then get the GTS. They are both a lot of fun!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • sf24sf24 Posts: 18
    very much for all the insight. i'm not a racer at all, just need something to commute and drive around the city with, with a bit of a fun factor..thus a celica. in terms of power set up, it sounds like the GT is more suitable then. the main thing that draws me to the GTS is the availability of 16" rims/lower profile tires, which i think enhances the look of the celica a lot. and your emphasis on GTS handling made it even more tempting.

    I'm also trying to decide between manual and auto...want a manual but I am concerned about doing parallel parking on the hilly streets of san francisco, is it something i could get used to or will that always be a pain with a manual?

    guitar - i share your sentiment on the spoiler, moon roof, carbon fiber. these things can add substantially to the cost of the car while only adding marginal additional benefits. however i feel the celica looks a bit odd w/o the spoiler, like it's kind of naked, for lack of better word.
  • Funny, I'm torn between 2 things: The spoiler looks really great, it was a perfect beautification addition to the car. Ethically, I am completely against any car maker adding a non-functional spoiler to production cars!

    Concerning tires, consider this: GTS 16" tires, 205/50/16, are only offered in summer tires, aka sticky wear-down-quicks! And they're expensive.

    Unfortunately, they put 16" tires on most GTS's, just like they try to add all the goodies to these "limited" top model cars. But if I had the choice at this point, I'd consider the 15" tires. For replacements, there would be more options. Check out tire rack to see what is available for each, and you'll see.

    Now, if you want a high performance tire, would a 15" be cheaper than the same model in a 16"? Maybe not. That's one of those comparisons to make. Don't know the 15" sizing, but Edmund's or Toyota.com probably has it.

    Another idea: Get yourself a GT, and with all the extra money, go buy the best set of tires available. I don't know what other differences there are in the suspensions off hand, but a great set of tires can do a great deal for curvy handling.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    there is no difference at all between the GT and GTS suspension set-ups - the only GTS handling advantage comes from bigger rims/lower-profile tires. So, you could get the GT and put the 16" rims on, and have GTS handling! Both are superb.

    GTS SUPPOSEDLY has as base stock the 15" alloys from the GT with 205/55 tires on them - I have NEVER SEEN THIS in all my celica shopping. But it means you could go with the 15" rims and get 195/60's or 205/55's, whichever you prefer.

    BTW, as far as manuals, the GTS clutch is shorter and sharper than the GT clutch, if this is a factor for you in SF driving.

    And lots of people have posted here saying they got very few miles out of the OEM Yokohamas on their GTS's...they are summer tires, and they wear fast. Most get less than 30K on them.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • sf24sf24 Posts: 18
    lots of great info, thanks again! is it possible that both 195 and 205 size tires can fit snuggly into the same rim? (i've never shopped rims/tires, so i'm new to this).

    according to you guys, the stock GTS tires aren't gonna last long. so i was wondering , how much should i expect to pay to replace a set of 16" tires (not high performance/racing tires, just normal driving under regular condition tires) ? how about for 15"?

    also nippon u said i could get GT and put 16" rims on them, but it seems 16" is not a listed option for the GT. can it be done anyway?
  • sf24sf24 Posts: 18
    i saw on some message boards people describing the celica manual transmission as 'vague' , or just bad in general, and not as good as honda/acura sticks. how do u guys find it?
  • I paid $620 out the door for 4 Kumho tires and a 4-wheel alignment. This was much pricier (unfortunately) than tirerack.com, but it is at a trustworthy place, where they are experts on suspensions/alignments. Next time, I may order from tirerack, and take the tires in to them. The Kumho tires are slightly harder, slightly less grip than the Yokohamas. I got 11,000 on the Yokohamas. They weren't bald, but in the rain they were already deadly. Hope to get 20k+ out of the new ones.

    Don't know on the rim question, but also wondering if you're saying the other tire specs are the same (205, 16" for example.)

    If you substitute sizes, be aware of the repercussions on what your speedometer reports as your speed!

    If like someone said there is no suspension difference, yes you can buy the 16" tires/rims elsewhere and put them on the GT. You can buy cooler rims (if made) this way!

    Acura does make a great transmission. But looking at the RSX-S, which I could have had instead of the GTS, the car doesn't compare in style. Although, the Honda seems to feel tighter build quality-wise to me. (I had a CL & Integra.)

    Anyone have problems synching in 2nd gear when downshifting?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    transmission is the tightest, slickest stick I have ever used. It is really excellent, but more "notchy" than the RSX stick. I like both, but I love the smooth solid feel of the celica shifter. The gear gates are very close together, not something everyone likes.

    If you go with 205/55 profile tires as opposed to 195/60 on 15" rim, you should have no problem with your speedometer. BUT if you decide to buy some 16" rims for it, prepare to have it recalibrated or it will read wrong.

    No, the 16" rim is not a stock option from Toyota for the GT, but I am sure you could get them to sell you a set, or there is a huge selection of great-looking aftermarket rims out there in 16".

    Oh, and yes, the 195's and the 205's will both fit the same 15" rim from Toyota - it is a 6.5.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Nippononly: You can put 16" wheels on a car that originally had 15" and not worry about recalibrating the speedometer if you choose the right tire size. Example: If the car came with 195/60R15 tires, you can switch to 195/55R16 or 205/50R16 with no effect to the speedometer.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    but I thought he was stuck on the idea of getting 205/55 tires, in which case the speedo would read a little wrong with the 16" rims...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • hiya what are folks getting for milage overall, i've had toyota's in the past and have run them to 210,000+ easy, and the 90'GT i'm looking at has been babied and stored in winter. just lookin' for some feedback. Many Thanks
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    was an '83, so not exactly a direct comparison. It was at 250K when I sold it to a guy who is still using it as his daily driver - just saw it the other day.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • alex18talex18t Posts: 117
    Want to really stick to the road? I bought 225/50 15" tires for my GT. They really stick in the dry but they can be a liability if you think they're going to perform as good in the rain. Still, sticky wide rubber like that is a ton of fun when you get a curve in the road, not to mention the great "all business" look they give to the car.
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