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Toyota Celica (Hatchbacks / All Years)

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  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Well, if the noise is coming from the rear, I don't see how it would be the CV joints (since those are associated with the front half-shafts; part of the FWD drivetrain).

    It could be wheel bearings; but I had similar noises (if I understand you correctly) on my car and it was due to uneven tire wear (the rear tires were cupped or scalloped around the inside edge).

    If you've got access to a general mechanic that you trust, it sounds like that would be a good source for a diagnosis. I doubt the sound is anything particularly specific to Celicas.

    It's amazing how much quieter a car can be after the tires are replaced. However, IF the tires are the problem (due perhaps to uneven wear), you might want to find out from the mechanic what caused the uneven wear. With a car that age, you may have a worn shock absorber which allows the tire to bounce up and down unnecessarily causing uneven wear.

    I hope this helps.
  • Well, our mechanic said the noise was from 4 badly worn out tires. We also need both the front axles replaced. Oh well, we got such a great deal on the car itself, we don't mind having to pay a bit to get it right! Now to replace the tires- what are the best /safest ( a mom talking here) tires to put on his car but keeping in his budget which is less than $100 per tire? Thanks so much for the help thus far!
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Not unusual to have to replace CV joints (particularly on a 10-yr old car). If the rest of the car is fine mechanically, your son should be happy.

    Tires - you might want to check tirerack.com. According to tirerack, the original size tire on the '96 Celica GT was a 205/55-15. Fortunately, you got LOTS of choices in that size. I don't know if you need something to handle snow or just a good all-season would do.

    If an all-season is fine, you might consider the Yokohama AVID V4S. These have good wet traction and a pretty good wear rating and are supposed to be pretty quiet. They are not the best for all out dry traction but most tires with excellent dry traction will sacrifice somewhat their wet weather abilities and/or tire life (due to a softer compound). Tirerack lists these tires at $72 each and they are pretty common so you should be able to find them at a local store (try Discount tire).
  • You may want to try Kumho ECSTA ASX all-season. About $80 per tire with 80,000-mile tread life. Kumhos generally have good consumer ratings.

    I dont know if Kumho makes this tire in your size. However, the larger sizes are just as responsive as the Yokohama Advan, but quieter and last about 4 times longer.

    All my children's cars have all season tires so they wont spin the car in the very rare rainy days in hot and dry California.

    I have seen a brand-new Infinity sport coupe spun around in medium rain, smashed into freeway concrete divider, while driving at abut 60 MPH, right in front of me on straight, level and wide open freeway. The driver was in complete shock, unable to back the car out of oncoming traffic.

    Just think how easy it would be to spin the car off twisty mountain roads in rain or snow.
  • The thumping noise, if happens when driving over bump, is likely to be a weak or leaky strut bottoming out on impact.

    My older Celica GTS had the same problem after 85K miles. I replaced the rear struts and the thumps are gone. The car feels firmer, quieter, much smoother, and more stable at high speed, like 90 MPH on rough freeways.

    The OEM struts at Toyota dealer are strangely cheaper than after- market brands. The dealer told me to hang on to the receipt, as he believes they come with life-time warranty. I just hope his belief is bigger than the General Manager's when I have to replace them again.

    The OEM struts cost about $200 for the pair plus $70 installation at my local tire store. The guy was moaning that he lost beaucoup money, since he had to remove a few interior panels to install them.
  • Peter, We did actually purchase the Kuomho ECSTA ASX all season tires for the car. I found them from the site mentioned, tirerack.com for 63.00 a piece, which I thought was a great deal. The car runs so nicely now. Turns out the other tires were so bad the cord was showing through! That itself probably made the sound on the pavement! Thanks again for everyone's help. I hope he gets lots of miles and enjoyment out of this car. It sure looks and feels like a keeper now.
  • I own girlfriend also owns a gts celica. I had to replace the clutch plate at the same time that pattio did. The output shaft assembly, 4 bearings, and 1st and 6th gear also were just replaced at 37,000 miles. I am trying to get in touch with other 2002-2005 gts celica owners to see if they have been experiencing the same problems. My e-mail is imablond87@sbcglobal.net
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Is this a widespread problem on the '02 to '05 models? What did Toyota change in the 6sp manual from the '00 models?

    I've got an '00 Celica GTS w/ the 6spd with 140k miles on the odo. Original clutch; the only problems with the tranny is that it is somewhat balky about the 5-4 downshift. Otherwise, it's still fine.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    What kind of fuel economy do they get? Do they live up to the Toyota standard of reliability? Is there anything about the car I should know before buying one?
  • In 2002 there were a few changes to the celica that I know of. The engine redline was set at 7,800, the manual six speed recieved a drive by wire throttle, and a 17" tire was added as an option. I saw something about a transmission change for the 17" tire, which is what my car has, but I can't find the article again. I imagine there would have to be some type of a drivetrain modification to allow for the change in torque loading resulting from the larger tire.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Engine redline was always at 7,800 rpm. The only thing that Toyota did was revise the point at which the fuel cutoff occurs. I've got one of the earlier cars with the higher fuel cutoff point... :)

    I wasn't aware of the drive-by-wire throttle. And honestly, I'm not sure why a 17" rim would require a drivetrain modification. I'm assuming (but don't know) that a lower profile tire would have been used keeping approximately the same outside tire diameter as the 16" setup. Perhaps with a (very) slightly taller tire, Toyota used a shorter final drive ratio to compensate? (But then what about those cars with the standard 16" rims?).

    I do know that at some point (perhaps with the '02 models), Toyota revised the shifter somewhat because a few owners, when attempting a 5-4 downshift where doing a 5-2 downshift instead (at highway speeds) resulting in overrevving the engine. Beyond the shifter modifications, I don't know of any other changes Toyota made to the 6-sp tranny.

    Have you checked to see if Toyota has issued any TSB's regarding the '02-'05 Celicas?
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    ...in response to post #1418.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Well, I don't have a GT so I can't comment on the fuel economy.

    With my GTS, it had no problem getting around 32 or so on the highway (maybe a bit more if kept below warp speed :blush: ).

    I've noticed that as my car got over 120k the mileage has dropped off. I now get around 27-28 in a 50/50 mix of city/hwy. I'm not sure what the GT might get in relation to my GTS.

    Reliability has been decent on my car. I had to replace an O2 sensor at around the 40k mark and had a water pump bearing failure at around 130k. The original radio head unit ate one of my favorite CDs a few years back. And I had to replace one of the ignition coils and another O2 sensor last year (can't remember the mileage). Beyond that, I can't recall anything beyond the normal maintenance items (still has the original rotors and clutch). I've noticed that the 6-spd trans is getting a bit 'notchy', particularly when trying to downshift into 4th gear(although upshifts into 4th are fine). But I blame that on a particularly brutal day in the car at Texas World Speedway in College Station a couple of years ago when I ran 6 separate 20 minute sessions on their road course (I noticed the problem downshifting into 4th right after that day).

    All in all, it's been fairly reliable although it's starting to definitely show it's age. If I can just get over my LATEST case of 'newcaritis' then I hope to keep it to the 200k mark.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Well, I can tell you about my '02 GT that I had for not very long - I got a major case of "new car-itis" when the Matrix came out, and only ended up keeping the Celica 9 months and 17K miles. I also found it a little bit uncomfortable - the seats are sport seats and the car is low to the ground, as you know.

    But OK: fuel economy? I averaged 31-32 mpg in commuting and around-town driving, maybe 35 out on the interstate driving to L.A., and even when I spent a good portion of the tank just driving for fun, it hardly ever dipped below 30. That was a 5-speed manual. I tend to drive in a way that maximizes fuel economy when I am just running errands and going back and forth to work, so YMMV!

    Reliability? Mine was assembled poorly in one respect: the driver's window was misaligned, allowing cascades of water inside the car at the car wash. I had that fixed double-quick. After shaking out the initial build blues, however, it gave me no problems at all in the short time I had it.

    Anything you should know? This car has PHENOMENALLY bad outward visibility - it is very low to the ground, the windows are slits, the C-pillars are HUGE, and that spoiler on the back end....well, all I can say is, try to get one without the spoiler.
    Apart from that, it's not especially fast off the line, but has better handling than anything I have ever driven under $25K, except the Mini Cooper. That includes my RSX I had more recently. The downside is the car tends to be a bit jittery over bad pavement, especially at high speeds.
    That fixed antenna is a PITA at car washes, has to be unscrewed and removed so it doesn't get broken. From what I remember when I had the car, a lot of people were trading the fixed mast for one of those short flexible antennas from the parts store. Alternatively, one person changed it out for the power antenna that Toyota put in the GTS beginning in 2003/4 (I forget which). I imagine that swap would be difficult.

    It's a very likeable car with an engine that will very likely turn out to be one of Toyota's better ones in the last 20 years. Meaning I am sure that if you find one that has been well taken care of, it will probably go years and years without giving you any trouble.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ann961ann961 Posts: 2
    I too have a 2000 Celica GT... I don't know if you have found your answer about your burning oil problem... or if you were able to get Toyota to help you. If you have gotten a resolution I'd love to hear it. My Toyota started burning oil around 60,000 miles. I never saw any leakage and couldn't tell if it was burning it. I've had to put a quart of oil in it every 600 to 1000 miles, which has gone down to every 600 to 700 or so miles. When I was able to afford Toyota to check it out... I was told it had bad valve seals. So, I could pay $2000 for new seals that would last 50,000 miles or $5800 for a new mini block. I then found out later that This was a manufacture defect that they never recalled. Toyota only fixed the problem for the newer Celicas. I love my car and I want to keep it.. I was planning on keeping it for at least 200,000 plus miles, since it's a Toyota I knew I had reliability on my side... I don't think I do now. My car has 135,000 miles on it now but I want to know what the long term affects are from the oil problem will cause to rest of car. So, please, I'd love to hear what you have to say and if you ended up with a resolution. I am trying to see how far I can go to see If I can get Toyota to fix it since it's their problem and I'm spending a lot of money on oil.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    You have me confused with someone else.

    I have a 2000 model GTS - with NO oil consumption problems (and with 140k on the odo).
  • I too have a 2000 Celica GT... I don't know if you have found your answer about your burning oil problem... or if you were able to get Toyota to help you. If you have gotten a resolution I'd love to hear it. My Toyota started burning oil around 60,000 miles. I never saw any leakage and couldn't tell if it was burning it. I've had to put a quart of oil in it every 600 to 1000 miles, which has gone down to every 600 to 700 or so miles. When I was able to afford Toyota to check it out... I was told it had bad valve seals. So, I could pay $2000 for new seals that would last 50,000 miles or $5800 for a new mini block. I then found out later that This was a manufacture defect that they never recalled. Toyota only fixed the problem for the newer Celicas. I love my car and I want to keep it.. I was planning on keeping it for at least 200,000 plus miles, since it's a Toyota I knew I had reliability on my side... I don't think I do now. My car has 135,000 miles on it now but I want to know what the long term affects are from the oil problem will cause to rest of car. So, please, I'd love to hear what you have to say and if you ended up with a resolution. I am trying to see how far I can go to see If I can get Toyota to fix it since it's their problem and I'm spending a lot of money on oil.
    I would really like to know how to get ahold of the Toyota home office... I would love your help.
  • http://www.toyota.com/about/contact/index.html?s_van=GM_TN_CONTACT

    This is easily found from Toyota.com/about toyota. Good luck.
  • Just to add additional testimony on the 2000 Celica GT oil consumption issue. I have an 00' celica that burns about 1.5 to 2 quarts between oil changes. Dealer recommends 5000 miles but I go about 4000-4500 miles. I brought this issue up to my dealer and they told me they couldn't find any leaks nor offer any explanations to what is happening to my oil.At 98,000 miles I had a CEL which they scoped and I was told that I had a bad mass air flow sensor.
    Now at 111,000 miles I had the water pump changed and had the car scoped again because of another "CEL" and they told me it was a warning that my Catalytic converter was failing.
    Coincedence or not I seem to share some of the same problems, but other than that my celica runs like new and these are the only problems I've ever had, surprisingly since I put on about 500 miles a week commuting to work.
  • Wondered if anyone knew where to find a baby car seat that actually fits properly in the back of a celica. Does anyone know of a list that tells you which ones are suitable.
    Be grateful for any help.
  • I too have this same Oil Consumption issue with my daughter's 2000 Toyota Celica GT. I purchased (Private Sale) the vehicle in May 2006 after the mechanic indicated he did not see any major problems. The oil was changed about three weeks after the purchase and six weeks later the check engine light was on due to oil level (required 4 qts of oil). The mechanic verified the oil was burning through the exhaust and the Toyota Dealer ruled out all minor issues that could be causing this. The Dealer indicated the engine would need to be rebuilt / replaced. I find it hard to believe that there is no law to protect you from this type of issue from a private sale since you are unable to know this problem exist until after the 30 day lemon law has expired if your mileage is low for the month; I am sure the prior owner was well aware of this problem but chose not to disclose it. It does not appear that I have any recourse at this point in time due to purchasing the vehicle "As Is".
  • guitarzanguitarzan Posts: 632
    If oil is seeping past the pistons, there should be black smoke coming out the exhaust. I do not understand: With this problem, why is there no indication of the problem except for the missing oil? Your story indicates that 2/3 of a quart every week is burning off. That is significant, especially for an engine with such tight tolerances as a Toyota engine. Yet there is no smell nor smoke coming from the car?

    Should we all be worried? I see Teejay & Ann joined the town Hall in Oct/Nov, both with the oil burning, and now Bill is a new member with the same problem. Will we see our Celica engines start dropping like flies soon?????
  • You can see a difference in the color of the exhaust but it is not black as you indicated - The mechanic noticed it immediately. The oil level remains full for the 1st 4 weeks and then suddenly drops off the next 2 weeks at which point it requires 4 qts.
    2000 Toyota Celica GT for sale - Excellent Condition!!

    :lemon:
  • guitarzanguitarzan Posts: 632
    Oop - thank you. Oil = bluish exhaust. Black may result from a rich mixture or poor combustion. My bad.

    Is there any indication of sludge building up in the oil?
  • My daughter wants a Honda Civic EX which she had (friend totaled it) prior to the purchase of this Celica.
    I wish I had noticed that bluish exhaust prior to the sale - Surprised the mechanic who checked the vehicle out did not notice it. Not sure about Sludge build up in the oil. How would you know - What would cause it - What is done to correct it?
  • guitarzanguitarzan Posts: 632
    Some of the Toyota engines had sludge buildup. Those engines were NOT in the Celica. I just asked because you said the oil seems to be normal for a while, then goes down. I was trying to figure out what happens as time goes on after an oil change in the car.
  • 2way2way Posts: 2
    Oil consumption issues are known among certain '00-'01 Model Year Celica GTs (not the GT-S). The pistons rings and bore finish were updated on the late '02 MY and newer. This is also an issue for Corollas of those MY's.

    I suggest you try using Castrol 5W30 High Mileage Oil (or high mileage oil of your choice) & see if it cuts your consumption (worked like a charm on my daughter's '01 GT).

    Also, check out the fine folks at http://www.newcelica.org for other assistance and hints for your Celica.
  • That does seem strange how the Oil Level seems to remain stable for the first 4 weeks and then drop out of sight the next 2 weeks.
  • Thanks for the suggestion - I will try the High Mileage Oil and see what happens - I have been using Valvoline 5W30.
    I checked out the newcelica.org forum and read all of the Celica Oil Consumption messages including yours. I will register at some point in the near future to further discuss this Oil Consumption issue and request feedback on what folks think of the Toyota Highlander.
  • diuneidiunei Posts: 23
    hi I am new here. I haven't have a chance to read through all these posts. So, i am not sure if someone has asked the same thing before.
    but anyway, I have a 2001 GT, auto. every morning when I start the car, the rpm goes up to about 2000 and drops down to about 1000/800 in 8-10 minutes (it has been like this in the last 6 yrs). :sick: Does this happen to anyone by any chance? Does this mean that there is a problem with my car.
    also, if i park the car in cold weather (below 30F) for more than 2 hrs, the starting rpm is normally high, too.
    thanks much for any help. :)
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