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Toyota Celica (Hatchbacks / All Years)

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  • guitarzanguitarzan Posts: 632
    The six speed takes a little while to get used to. Once used to it, the feel is very smooth, very cool.

    In my GTS I get about 30 mpg, no matter how I drive.

    The six speed requires a little too much shifting. I do minimize my shifting greatly (which I've done with all manuals I've driven), by going from first to fifth when going down hills, skipping gears when coasting on level roads, etc. But the six itself would be much more useful with a high-torque engine (aka the Legend inline 6) then a "puny" 4. Lastly, it does feels kind of cool to have a model that I rarely see on the road.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I had an '83 for many years with a 5 speed - that shifter is like a truck shifter compared to the super-close ratios and gates of the current model's 6-speed.

    Someone around here recently posted that Toyota has just shipped its last Celicas to the land of the free and the brave. Bye bye Celica...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • zingerzinger Posts: 61
    I had my GTS 6SP out over the weekend. It has been awhile because I dont drive it in the winter. Man, that car is a blast to whip around in.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I remember when I test drove the GTS, and the salesman was in the passenger seat. When we would do street corner turns, he would be jumping up and down in his seat and yelling at me to step on the gas as I entered the turn. I did, going through 90 degree turns at HIGHLY excessive speeds, and the Celica was completely unflappable.

    I know you should never say never, but I honestly think the '00-05 Celica GTS may represent the zenith of handling for all Toyota vehicles ever, in the past and future. After all, Toyota USA has come right out this week and said its future is in trucks, especially large trucks. Sporty Toyotas will become icons of the distant past, and these Celicas will not be topped...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • guitarzanguitarzan Posts: 632
    Trucks are where the profit is now. One new environmental regulation, and *POOF*, back to tiny little sportsmobiles. They'll be back!

    Hairpin turns are unbelievable. Yes, yes, yes.
  • zingerzinger Posts: 61
    If you are a regular reader of this board you will note I have been considering trading my GTS for either the GTO or 350Z. While the Celica will not blow anybody away - do you really get the opportunity to really light em up that often anyway? You can always have fun taking turns at 35 mph without even touching the brake. The Z would probably be great too but they do seem to be having some qualty issues. So for now I am keeping it.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Yeah, I've been following some of your discussions in the GTO thread. As the fellow owner of a GTS 6-speed, I can certainly understand the allure of the available torque in that thing.

    But, from everything I understand about the GTO, it drives 'big'; exactly the opposite of the Celica. When it comes time to finally sell my '00 GTS (hey, it's only got 130k miles on it, it's just starting to break-in!), I'll probably upgrade to a RX-8. I think this would be the closest in feel to my Celica (high rpm fun, razor sharp steering/brake response, and room for 4 real human!).

    On a side note, I test drove a new Scion tC. This is supposed to be the replacement for the Celica? Ummmmmm, no. Not in my book.
  • zingerzinger Posts: 61
    Wow - I have 42K miles on mine. I am not quite sure what I am saving it for. I guess I just hate driving it in the winter in the salt and snow.

    Any thoughts on the 350Z?
  • guitarzanguitarzan Posts: 632
    Zinger, it all depends on my mood. If I feel like having fun, I'll nail it getting on the freeway every single time. Those complete turn-arounds at the entrances and exits are just perfect for pushing this car. I'll be in that mood as soon as I put the sports tires back on the car. With enough pressure, I fear I could compress and blow one of these snow tires in a tight turn :)

    There is a spectacular roadway out here in the park with three hairpin turns, all kinds of twisties and hills. I swear it is right out of a car commercial. Call me a nut, but when it is sunny and warm out on a Saturday, sometimes I just go there to drive it back and forth 2 or three times.

    Use your car to the extent that you want. If you're happy hanging out at McDonalds on Friday night eating fries, playing Deep Purple on the radio, then being happy while still is just as powerful as racing around.

    I feel people should buy what makes their heart happy. You don't need the best performer. You DO need a COOL car. Any of these will do that :)
  • gambit293gambit293 Posts: 406
    Hey, how good are you guys working the 6-spd?

    To be honest, after four years, I still don't shift completely smoothly unless I concentrate on it. Is it even possible to shift smoothly when attempting to go WOT? Maybe I'm just a sucky shifter (I learned on the GT-S).

    Seems like 1 and 2 are so far apart that you pretty much have to let the car coast for about .5-1 second to nail a smooth shift.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Honestly, the 6-spd does require a bit more attention/concentration. I'm not really sure if this is due to the nature of the powerband, the shifter, or the transmission itself. For me, the clutch takeup is nearly perfect but I've heard others say the clutch is too grabby.

    I do know that my 4th gear synchros are about shot; I don't think a hard day at Texas World Speedway did them any good. I can do the 3-4 upshift great, but the 5-4 downshift grounches EVERY time. But the 5-3 downshift is great!

    zinger/guitarzan - snow....snow....oh, yeah, that's that funny white stuff you guys up north have to deal with during.....what was it called again.....winter?
  • zingerzinger Posts: 61
    After 3 years of driving this car I think I have finally got the hang of it. From a stop it always seems to be a problem of how much gas to give. Too little it bogs - too much and you over rev it. So that part has always been a problem. Try to rev it up and then pop the clutch and get that nice chirp sound which doesnt happen often enough.
    Winters in Chicago kinda suck but where else is better to live when you have a family?
  • guitarzanguitarzan Posts: 632
    I'm with you guys-I am echoing your comments in my head. It is a combination of extra physical motion to shift this thing, and mental concentration. Yes, on full-throttle shifts, I can feel sometimes like I'm drop kicking this thing.

    Maybe it is the nature of the powerband. You have to throttle it after shifting to get it back up to speed.

    Thirty more lbs of torque and a change of ratios would eliminate this.

    Or a supercharger, and the skipping of 1st and 3rd gears. Ha!

    Rorr's post reminded me of something-if any upshifts grind or are awkward, have the shifter checked out for adjustment. If it does operate smoothly from 1 to 2, 3-4, it is just this particular tranny.

    Yep SNOW-the worst 4-letter word I know. Lived here for a long time, and still hate it. If anyone cares, adding Blizzeks 15", slightly off-size, to this car, felt like I added 4-wheel drive. Literally amazing grip right through snow and ice. The soft material is GONE up front though. But I'll have some ice-sticking power next year after putting the rear tires up front. These tires reduced my stress 5 bazillion percent (no exaggeration) this winter.
  • guitarzanguitarzan Posts: 632
    Zinger - One problem I've had along these lines with these newer cars in general-the mushy gas pedals. It's not that I don't know how much gas to give. But, if I wear a certain shoe, my driving is stellar, as I can feel the gas pedal. If I wear a dress shoe with a rock-hard sole, I have no idea what the pedal position is. If the radio is blaring, I can't hear the engine. Mental-note: Must use tach. A better pedal feel would make driving better all around though.

    One might practice in neutral, revving it to 2500, release, again, release, until a moderate gas pedal position becomes second nature.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    as drive-by-wire becomes more pervasive in the years to come, this problem will only get worse. :-(

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • guitarzanguitarzan Posts: 632
    Dumb engineers. How hard would it be to simulate a mechanical throttle feel? Some springs, padding material, blah, blah.

    BTW, my background is engineering, so it's a little self-deprecating. But it is also pointing out myopic thinking when I see it.
  • sandydebsandydeb Posts: 19
    I have a 2003 gts 6sp and it is a blast.. i LOVE this car.. revving the engine to the redline even while getting away from traffic stops and the go-kart like steering are simply awesome and highly addictive :) the best streches i like are the 25mph exits from the freeway.. i can rapidly approach and tailgate the guy in front (definitely sccaring him) and then downshift and zip ahead the moment we are out of the exit... another favorite routine of mine is on the 2 lane exit that we have on my way to work.. i typically have these suvs and trucks zipping by me on the straights at 85mph+ (i try not to overspeed too much).. but the moment they hit the exit they have to slow down and i LOVE to weave in and out past them at speeds at which they would go tumbling out of the road :D

    I have this minor issue tho.. i do not even know whether this is a problem or not.. if i shift up to the 5th or 6th gear and leave the engine at low rpm (~2.5 k) and then step on the gas, there is this slight rattling kind of sound from the engine.. the pickup is smooth and all but there is this additional rattle.. the same also happen if i use compression braking at low revs (that is accelerate and then leave the gas alone but not step on the clutch).. does this happen with other people too or do i need to get this checkd.. my car has only 16k miles on it...

    the only major gripe i have with this car is the touchy clutch.. i have had no probs with the shifter.. i have driven worse manual for 8 years now and this one feels perfect.. however, the clutch engagement is very sudden.. i typically have some trouble getting away smoothly from a stop lights.. too little gas and the car stalls.. too much and there is tirespin.. tho that is fun sometimes, i do not like to do tht everyday as it will grate my tires in no time.. any mods that i can make?? Thanks!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    in my '02 GT I used to break the front tires loose all the time starting away from stoplights. It must be worse in a GTS, with the shorter clutch.

    It sounds like maybe the "rattling sound" you are hearing from the engine when trying to accelerate at low speeds in high gears is pinging, which is a natural result of lugging the engine a bit. I bet you will find this never happens again if you just go a gear or two lower. And you will also find this doesn't happen in low gears like second, even if you step on the gas in the same hearty fashion at the same rpm.

    HOWEVER, that does not explain the "rattling" when you are coasting in gear. Maybe it is just a harmonic frequency buzz of something in the cabin at certain engine speeds?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • sandydebsandydeb Posts: 19
    Thanks 'nippononly'. I guess it must be the pinging thing (never heard of this before, so will do some research on the net!) coz the sound does go away when I downshift.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    Don't forget this is an engine designed to rev and rev, and does not have a lot of power at low speeds. So in high gears like 4, 5, 6, stomping the gas at 2000-2500 rpm could easily be expected to cause this problem.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

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