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Toyota Celica vs. Mitsubishi Eclipse

majid23majid23 Posts: 1
edited March 25 in Mitsubishi
I have a 2000 Toyota Celica GT. I outraced a 2000
Eclipse GT and I have an automatic trans! The guy
was shocked. I think it is stupid how people
compare cars by how they race. How often do you
race someone? Toyota is the better choice: more
reliable, better name, and faster! Challenge the
guy in the Eclipse to race you in ten years. His
car would probably be broken down already! Bottom
line: Toyota wins.
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  • SPYDER98SPYDER98 Posts: 239
    I think you just answered your own question.
    He was probably just shocked that you even tried to race him. He probably cared even less when he saw your none "S" GT badge from the rear too..
  • only1harryonly1harry Posts: 1,136
    Was the guy in the Eclipse GT really racing? An Eclipse GT should blow a Celica GT away easily and without much effort, especially an automatic one. Even a GTS auto would be humiliated by an Eclipse GT.
    It's true though that the Celica should outlast an Eclipse. If reliability is a major factor, chosing between the two is a no brainer..
  • Quote "Even a GTS auto would be humiliated by an Eclipse GT"

    I really doubt it. If you compare both cars they are near identical in specs. The Eclipse has a 200HP V6 but weighs 3120lbs. The celica has a 180HP I4 and weighs 2500lbs. I all comes down to an issue called power to weight ratio. The eclipse will take a celica off the line with the V6's Torque but won't kill it. It really will come down to who is the better driver. When the specs are that close one driver error will throw the race. I've beat and been beat by Eclipse GTs in my GT-S. Some races I was the better driver and others I was not.
  • If you're comparing GTS auto vs Eclipse GT auto, aren't you pretty much taking the 'better driver' out of the picture? Of the two, I would have to guess the Eclipse auto would win, from the simple standpoint that a 4-speed auto is a better matchup with the larger displacement, relatively low-revving V6 rather than the small displacement, peaky I4 in the GTS. Do you have an auto or 6-speed in your GTS?
  • Its all about what car is better. I was trying to decide between the New Toyota Celica and The Eclipse 2001 GS. After trying both cars, comparing quality, doing some research on the internet, comparing weight/HP, looks, and everything else. I decided for the Eclipse 2001 GS with Sportronic. The car not only looks sturdier but performs better (bigger engine, more liters, more HP)
    About racing, it has to do more with the driver than the car. After all what is the point of racing on the streets? But if I have to, I am sure I will outlast any celica on the street. :)
  • that you will outRUN any NEW Celica (stay away from Celica All-Tracs) in a heads-up race to 60 mph -- but outLAST?? Sorry, don't think so...just compare Mitsu's reliability record vs Toyota's in Consumer Reports.
  • make that "new Celica with an automatic"....
  • roadroachroadroach Posts: 131
    Read his post carefully: he has an Eclipse GS with the sportronic, not a GT. His GS (2.4liter I4) has 147hp to pull 2985lbs around (over 20 lbs/hp) while even the base Celica GT has 140 hp for 2425lbs (around 17 lbs/hp). While I agree that his torque superiority may help in a 0-60, I don't think he will be 'spanking' many Celica GT's. Woe unto him if he decides to tangle with a Celica GTS......
  • alex18talex18t Posts: 117
    my celica GT is the fastest car i've owned. it's great off the line and has great pull unless you get bogged down below 3500. my car runs as fast and usually faster than my friend's 93 z24 which has a better hp to weight ratio than the eclipse GT (if my friend knows his stuff). also the celica has superior handling. maybe im crazy but i dont think an eclipse could beat me in a drag race. certainly not an auto. but eclipses are definately a lot easier to drive fast because of their wider torque band.

    The important thing is we never criticize each other in these forums. lol
  • andonniandonni Posts: 7
    which is better anyways?
    one have more hp ..but..too much weight
    one is so so hp..but lighter...???
    can anyone tell me???
    and..wut about include prelude
    3 cars ..compare..which is better
    ( prelude SH, Celica GTS, Eclipse GT )
  • denniswadedenniswade Posts: 362
    an't nuthin to sneeze at -- especially in a 2400 lb car. But driving a hot coupe with a hyper personality like the GT-S is totally different than the new Eclipse or Prelude -- both of which are more subdued.

    All three cars are wonderful, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to anyone. Try all three and decide for yourself -- you can't go wrong. Just be sure to drive them enthusiastically, or you'll miss the whole point of the exercise. And if the salesman tells you to back off, find yourself another salesman and do it again!
  • andonniandonni Posts: 7
    is GSX good?
    how come ... it has kind of low overall ???

    and... in prelude sh and eclipse GT celica gt-s
    three of 3 are ok?
    dont have a really good one mah??? or the same???
  • denniswadedenniswade Posts: 362
    was a lot faster, but not nearly as well put together or reliable as the new Eclipse is expected to be. Nevertheless, it's still very popular with the street crowd -- you can crank that turbo way up there with a few bucks and really scare somebody. The back seat is useless, though, while the new Eclipse's can actually accomodate real live people.

    Between the three, I'd probably choose the Celica on the basis of style and handling -- I have one already, and I love it. But the reviews of all three cars have been glowing, and the Eclipse has more torque than the GT-S, so would probably be more relaxing (but less exhilerating) to drive. The Prelude styling is a little too laid-back for my taste, but it's an elegant car and it handles beautifully too. The Honda and TOyota are both likely to be more trouble-free than the Eclipse, but that's based on past history, not the current car, so who knows?

    Cars like these are emotional, and buying one is an emotional process. I always say, drive em all, sleep on it and buy the one you wake up thinking about. What else can I say?!!
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
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  • denniswadedenniswade Posts: 362
    Thanks -- first time I used that!

    Coupla questions -- why is the Celica listed as a coupe, not a hatchback, and why are 0-60 times not listed? Didn't you guys test all these cars?

    Curb weights would help too, for power-to-weight ratios.
  • SPYDER98SPYDER98 Posts: 239
    Pros:
    AWD (good all season car,especially with snow tires), 200+lbs torque, good handling, easy to add hp. With as little as $1000, you can add 30-40hp.

    Cons:
    Shaky reliablility record, poor resale
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  • alex18talex18t Posts: 117
    the comparison feature doesnt "confirm or deny" any preconceptions it just states the same kind of stuff you can find on the factory web sites.
  • Just taking horsepower and dividing it by weight gives you an interesting statistic but not necessarily a useful one. Consider the Eclipse GT vs. an old Eclipse GSX. The GT weighs less and has the same number of horsepower, yet its 0-60 times are WAY slower (often around a second). The bottom line is that you need to time a car to see how fast it is.

    Car & Driver says the Eclipse GT does 0-60 in 7.3 seconds and a prototype Celica GS-T did it in 7.5. (The real Celica may be a little faster, I'm guessing.) Anyway, it's not like the GT is going to waste a GS-T from a stoplight, or vice versa, as many people seem to be claiming.

    I've test-driven both cars and didn't care for either, but if I had to pick one, I'd take the Eclipse. I don't like the Celica's exterior, I think the interior is needlessly cramped, the visibility is poor, and the lack of low-end torque is extremely annoying. (Be prepared to downshift every single time you go up a hill.)

    I'll stick with my [much faster] '92 Eclipse GSX, thanks... :)

    -Tom
  • SPYDER98SPYDER98 Posts: 239
    Easy with the "much faster" comment there. You may (most likely will) open up the floodgates from the toyota guys.
    Their "very" knowledgable here at townhall.

    A 92 GSX in its time...was a great performance bargain. But compared to its competition these days...the peformance gap has been closed and all these cars perform close to one another.

    The celica lacks low end grunt..but handles very sharply.
  • alex18talex18t Posts: 117
    the celica GTS does more like 6.6 - 6.8 seconds. it's the GT that does 7.5 - 8. the celica is one of the best handling Fwd cars there are IMO and it will run .89 on the lateral accel. test stock. hmm that spanks the camaro i think. the thing that makes the celica a little more uh... endearing to the owner is that so much of that 0-60 stuff depends on knowing your car. any fool can run under 7 seconds in say a WRX but it's not nearly as easy in a celica. this is not meant to detract from the wrx. do you tell that downshift stuff to type R owners too? people who drive 4cyl. VVT engines love to rev the engine, that's why they buy it. we treat it like it's a baby F1. the celica and eclispe are different cars for different types of drivers. they are very hard to compare.
  • Well, Car & Driver says their prototype Celica _GT-S_ did 0-60 in 7.5 s. They did say it felt like there was an engine bug when switching cams, but I hardly believe that would account for an entire second off the 0-60 time. Where is your reference that these cars can go much faster?

    (BTW, sorry for confusing the GT-S moniker for the old Eclipse GS-T in my last post.)

    Unfortunately, I don't know the skidpad numbers for new Eclipses, but I'm definitely not trying to defend new Eclipses here.

    As for downshifting, yeah, I also complain about Honda engines. Now, I'm as big a fan of revving engines as anybody, but when I'm casually driving to the grocery store in a car that's supposedly capable of putting out 180hp, I don't want to drive up hills at 6000 RPM just to avoid losing speed. There are times when you don't want to play F1 driver (at least for me).

    -Tom
  • alex18talex18t Posts: 117
    i agree about not always playing F1 driver. it can be annoying. i dont drive the GTS i drive the GT which has it's peak torque at 4200 so up hill is not so bad. all in all i think the car is lots of fun. but dont think that im not itchin' to put a SC in it as soon as TRD develops one. um... i guess that 6.6 number is in M/T or is it R&T, i buy both..dont know but it's there. some mags quote different numbers but i read 6.6 in quite a few articles. hey the fact of the matter is the car is damn fast when you want it to be and that's what sports cars are supposed to deliver. the way they do it is what gives them all different personalities. just pick the flavor you like.
  • denniswadedenniswade Posts: 362
    are posted in the back of Road and Track and, I believe, one other major magazine (Automobile? Don't remember.)

    The C&D test you refer to was an anomoly, and they admitted so later. The GT-S is a high-6 second car, slightly quicker but almost identical to the new Eclipse. Performance-wise, I'd call it a wash; the big difference is in the handling. Some prefer the Eclipse, others the Celica. Choices, choices!
  • alex18talex18t Posts: 117
    do you think TRD springs would be too harsh on new york city street? read: practically offroad. you have them in your corolla yes? i want them pretty bad but i dont want to like crack my oil pan or something. let me know.

    as for handling. i just dont see how a car as big as the eclipse can be as nimble as the celica. on the highway perhaps it is more sturdy but that's about it.
  • andonniandonni Posts: 7
    WHICH ONE IS BETTER ???
    CAN ANYONE TELL ME AND...GIVE ME ADVICE
    AND...EXPLAIN...THANK YOU
    BECAUSE..I AM THINKING ABOUT THERE TWO CAR...
    GSX OR GST????
  • denniswadedenniswade Posts: 362
    Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner -- I've been hanging out in news and views.

    Yes, I've had the complete TRD set-up (Eibach springs, KYB shocks and struts) for a year and a half now. Had to trim my fenderwells a bit to fit the 16" Primaxes with 205/45 Sumis, but haven't had any other problems. Need to trim the bump stops, though -- shoulda done it when I first installed the kit. Toysport wants to put a set of Tokico coilovers on it, but I'm afraid that may be too harsh -- we'll see.

    I don't think you'd have a problem with rough roads, as long as you're not carrying more than one person with you. Remember, you're reducing suspension travel by about 20% (trimming the bump stops gives some of that back). Those nasty roads are he11 on your alignment, though.

    Be sure to get a strut tower brace too -- makes a big difference in steering response.
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