Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





Saab 9-5 Wagon

goldbergergoldberger Posts: 58
Saab has just released official photos (sorry,
lost the web site...I'll post it in a future
comment) of the 9-5 wagon (whatever they call it).
In a bit of irony, the last Saab wagon,
essentially a "squareback" model 96, carried the
model designation "95". The first models will be
on sale this fall in Europe, with USA introduction
in the spring or fall of 1999, probably with a year
2000 designation.

The wagon keeps the "C" pillar from the sedan,
although it is visually it is slimmed down by
overlapping the rear quarter glass a bit.
Tagged:
«13456754

Comments

  • goldbergergoldberger Posts: 58
    http://www.saabsverige.com/texter/980525.html
    is the Swedish language site which has a couple of photos of the 9-5 wagon at the bottom of the article. There might be a lot more about it in the text, but all the Swedish I know is on this page.
  • Karen@EdmundsKaren@Edmunds Posts: 5,026
    Cool! Thanks for the info!

    Here's that photo of the new Saab wagon.
    image

    KarenS/SW Host

    Karen-Edmunds Community Manager

  • BKSuttonBKSutton Posts: 23
    There was also a side view picture and news clip in the latest Autoweek. Handsome looking car. Supposed available engines will be the turbo four or the 6 cylinder. 6 cylinder available with only the automatic tranny, the four possibly available with a manual, but not confirmed. Can provide additional info. if anyone is interested.

    --BKSutton
  • GruvenGruven Posts: 1
    Yes! More info! The only choices out there for halfway decent wagons are the Passat (quality anxiety), Subaru (durability) or Volvo (price).

    Where can one find out more about this car?

    Gruven
  • AFIK, the only source of information is the Saab Website http://www.saabusa.com but the information is rather scant. The car will be shown to the public for the first time at some European auto show (Frankfurt? Paris? Geneva?) in September. It will not be on sale in the USA until the spring, probably as a '00 model. (too bad they changed the numbering scheme: it *could have been* a 2000 9000 ;-)

    As for price, I'd guess at it being $1000 above the sedan, but that's pure guess. Not any cheaper than the Vovlo, but it does make the Volvo look like the box it came in.
  • I'd be happy to see a 9-3 wagon further down the pipe. The 9-5 is too formal and too rich for my blood.
    Has anyone heard if a 9-3 wagon in the works?
  • FREDERICKFREDERICK Posts: 228
    My wife and I are going to lease the new 9-3 this month for the incredible 3.5% interest rate their offering on them before the end of Aug. I loved the 9-5 sedans were really beautiful and I hope that by the time our new 9-3 sedan comes off lease the new 9-5 will have proven themselves in the market place.
  • We haven't heard the first peep about the 9-3 being anything except a hatchback or convertible. But there *was* a spy shot claiming to be a "9-2" with the ugliest little "squareback" you ever did see! Saab's USA execs are quite negative on such a creation, however, being completely unconvinced that the Trolls can build something less expensive than a 9-3 while retaining Saab's motor, drivetrain, and level of equipment.
  • That's something that the USA execs say. But in Europe, the cars tend to be much smaller and the 9-3 is pretty much at the top of the range where individuals actually purchase their cars. Due to the peculiarities of European tax laws, the vast majority of larger and more expensive cars are company purchased and part of the employee's compensation. (You can't do that here any more.) So, a smaller "Saab" would be quite beneficial in the European market. They say.
  • I totally understand the impetus fora smaller Saab in Europe, or Asian markets, but here it always seems like the true econobox is fighting for its life both economically and "Newtonianally" is that a word? Well it is now!

    In Japan they have cars smaller than your Flexy Flyer and wonderful gas misers at that but they'd be blown off the interstate here. Around town these cars are great for urban traffic and parking but out here in the Western United States you'd be blown off the feeway by the average down town communter.

    I've been impressed by the looks and rigidity of the new mini Benz/Smart Car, but unless those little cars are built like a brick I'd never consider them seriously as "American" road worthy transportation. The failure of these cars to pass the sudden maneuver lane change in Sweden doesn't bother me half as much as how they'd come out in a variety of collisions with a 1982 Lincoln Town Car.

    A smaller Saab in the States just doesn't make sense to me and I think that in a global approach to the turn of the century car market that they'd do better to just leave most of that market to others. A really great 9-3 and 9-5 series over the next five years would go a long way to building a solid reputation that Saab needs to stay in the game in the coming century.
  • Frederick,

    Having been to the UK and driven over there, I can tell you that small does not mean slow. On the M1 the speed limit is 75 MPH but most people do about 90MPH. The "hot hatches" as they call them over there are about the size of a geo metro and pack well over 150 HP. They are very fast. The cars are geared differently there too, with the gears further apart. At 90MPH my Escort was only turning about 3800RPM.

    Although small cars my fare less well in a collision with your town car, it is also much less likely to be involved in a collision due to better agility.

    By only offering large cars the US is perpetuating the problem of nasty collisions, not aiding it. The more good small cars available, the more on the road and the less chance that someone falling asleep behind the wheel of a 6000 Suburban takes you out.
  • Unfortunately, the issue in the USA isn't the availability of small, fast, agile cars: there have been lots of them available over the years, and they don't sell well any more. It is, rather, the absurd practice of selling fuel at the marginal cost of production, ignoring the indirect costs (such as habitat loss as roads and suburbs sprawl, social costs to the less afluent as public transportation whithers and employers move away from cities, environmental damage ultimately culminating in massive flood damage as the warming environment wreaks havoc on our weather patterns) together with the near religious zeal of some to legislate safe driving by lowering speeds. (that must be a modern record for length in sentences;-)). The vehicle selection, and the public's purchase patterns, are a result, not a cause. In the mean time, the best we can do is purchase vehicles which combine excellent driving dynamics with the robustness necessary to withstand the onslaught of the truck=based SUV and "Minivan" fleets. Like, for example, Saabs!
  • The Edmunds review of the Paris auto show includes a brief article covering the 9-5 wagon, along with a couple of mostly undecipherable pictures.
    More useful news: in European crash tests, a 9-5 sedan bettered the E-class, the A-6, it's cousin the Opel Omega (Catera), their version of the Toyota Camry, and the Drive-Safely (R) Volvo S-70.
  • Here's a link to that Paris Auto Show article.

    KarenS/SW and roving host

    Karen-Edmunds Community Manager

  • FREDERICKFREDERICK Posts: 228
    Coyry-

    Thank your for that very insightful and well laid run-on setince. You gave a rather brief, albeit concise, synopsis of the hidden Ecocnomic Costs associated with the low price of fuel in the American Automobile Market. (i.e. "cheap gas leads to larger gas guzzling vehicles") Very Keynesian view point by the way.

    I agree that vehicles like the new Saab 93 are very safe, by American standards, for their size. I still think that given a choice, with purchase price $'s not being the primamry determining factor, my wife and I would choose a Saab 95 Wagon or Volvo 800 Series over any econobox from either of these brands.

    The reality, at this date, is that fuel in this country doesn't cost diddley and it's not likely to in the near future because this country has shown a deep proclivity to go to war over such things as cheap oil supplies.

    Americans will continue to buy big, heavy cars until the end of this current economic boom. Europe and Japan make some really wonderfully powerful and economical little cars but the "American" law of mass in autmobiles will continueto rule this market until either economic or governmental factors dictate that it need to change.

    Even government mandated auto technology advancement does not mean the American market will buy our accept the product delivered to them. Witness the miserable failure of the EV1 in this current cheap gas market.
  • The 9-5 wagon will be shown at the New England Auto Show, in Boston, according to the editor of the New England Saab Club newsletter.
  • Saw the 9-5 wagon at the Boston show. While I remain intrigued by the sedan, there seemed to be lousy visibility out the back of the wagon.
  • Can anyone verfity if the 9-5 wagon offers a third row seat?
  • Although it was part of the original plan, the 9-5 wagon does not offer a third row seat. Saab was unable to engineer a third-row seat which satisfied their safety criteria. Makes one wonder about third-seat safety in the other wagons on the market (which have them).

    AFIK, the Volvo V70 does not offer a third seat either.
  • gclugclu Posts: 23
    goldberger -
    Didn't know that was the reason for not having third row seats. Where did you get the info from. I agree that there is no info out there about the safety of these "children's seat" as there are no standardized tests for them out there (not too many vehicles have them anyways).
    BTW, does AFIK mean???
    Also, Volvo does still offer third row rear facing seats on the V70 and V70 AWD. They are installed at the port and the MSRP is $800 for the V70 and $1300 in the V70 AWD(plus you lose your full size spare). Check out:
    http://www.volvocars.com
    look in the owners circle under interior options. This will show different children seating options available.
    The third row seat in the volvo is easy to use but not as fancy as in the A6 Avant which can actually be moved off to the side as well. You would thing that with Volvo's reputation, they would have conducted some kind of crash test to determine the safety of theses seats????
«13456754
Sign In or Register to comment.