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Saab 9-5 Wagon

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  • I would like to ask the opinion of current Saab 9-5 wagon owners the good, bad & ugly of their vehicles. The lease on my 99 Grand Cherokee LTD will be ending in February and I'm looking to try something different. The local Saab dealer is offering, I believe, a very attractive lease.

    2001 Saab 9-5 SE Wagon 3yrs 10k miles/yr
    $3k down (2k cap reduction, 1k sec, acq & 1st)
    payment = $329 month

    This is for a new wagon (zero miles) not a dealer demo, CPO or loaner car. Is this a good deal or typical for this car.

    How reliable have the 9-5's been (with the V6). Is it a good winter/snow car. I would appreciate any feedback about the car.

    Thanks,
    Chris
  • bmwjoebmwjoe Posts: 136
    Chris,

    I have a 2000 wagon with the 2.3lpt engine. I love it and it has been reliable. I believe there were some teething problems with the 1999 year.

    Ours was not so good in the snow with the original tires. We have the Saab snow tire package and the car is very good now. I was very impressed with the difference the snow tires made.

    I suggest you review all the messages in this section to learn about the issues and joys of 9-5 wagon ownership.

    I get 20-30 mpg. That is something you never get in a Jeep.

    Drive Safe,

    Joe
  • Okay, I am now going to join the ranks and become a Saab owner. Just purchased a 2001 9-5 SE Wagon. The car has Black exterior and Gray interior. I will pick up the car next Saturday.

    bmwjoe, just curious, do you have a BMW. The Saab is going to be my wife's car. I have on order a 2002 BMW 530ia.

    Chris
  • bmwjoebmwjoe Posts: 136
    Chris,


    Welcome to the ranks of 9-5 wagon owners. Black/Gray sounds very sweet. My wife loves her wagon. When I am good she lets me drive it.


    I have 2 BMWs, one with two wheels and one with three. You can check them out at My Toys


    Drive Safe,


    Joe

  • bdesaibdesai Posts: 24
    Hi everyone! I just bought a used '93 9000 CSE and now I am in love with SAABs. I thought japanese was the way to go and I would have never considered anything else. Well, I have been pleasantly surprised how well thought out and built this car is. My other car is a '98 Toyota Camry which my wife drives and is rather boring and dull. My Saab has 120K miles on it but runs beautifully. Hope it stays that way atleast for a while.
    I have a question for you Saab diehards. What is that animal on the SAAB symbol/sign? Is that a lion or a seahorse?? Sounds like a dumb question but I thought one of you would enlighten me. Thanx
  • bmwjoebmwjoe Posts: 136
    The animal on the front of the Saab is a Griffen. It is some sort of mythical creature. I don't know the background or history.

    I do know, that if the front one does fall off Saab will replace it. Evidently, this happens on a rare basis.

    Drive Safe,

    Joe
  • We bought a 2001 9-5 SE wagon on 11-30-2001. On December 21, someone pulled in front of my wife as
    she was driving on a four lane road at 50 to 55 mph. The good news is that my wife was unhurt. The car's windshield was not even broken; the engine still runs, the front doors still open. However, the repairs and depreciation are going to run about $26,000 and the car is going to be totaled. Bad news, the highly touted On-Star system did not work as advertised since both airbags exploded. As impressed as we were by the Saab, we are going to replace it with a 2002 Volvo Cross Country which drives even better than the Saab. Both are great vehicles and very safe.
  • Glad your wife is fine.

    Are you saying that the insurance company totalled the car and offered you $26K for it? If not, what do you mean by "repairs and depreciation are going to run about $26,000"?

    Adam
  • In this state if a repair is 70 to 75 % of the value, it is "totaled". I have not received settlement from insurance company; should be 35-36m.
  • Hi,

    My 3-year lease is about to end and I am planning to simply go with the 9-5 Aero Wagon.

    Although I have yet to test drive it, I drove a 94 Aero years ago and was very impressed (I had at the time a '92 9000 SPG).

    Did any of you get the chance yet to upgrade from a 99-00 model to a '02?
  • clemmclemm Posts: 4
    I am about to purchase a '99 9-5 wagon, auto, 2.3 with 24.5 k miles for $22,900. Questions:

    1. Does this seem like a good price? It does to me--I've been looking for a used 9-5 wagon for a while, not only are they hard to find, but rarely are they available with low mileage at this price.

    2. Reliability? My wife drives a 2000 9-3 and it's been trouble free other.

    My wife had a bad wreck in the 9-3, both bags deployed and she was unscathed--now we are Saab loyalists for life. Thanks for the input.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Have you checked with Edmunds' Used Vehicle Appraiser to see what the average cost is in your region? Good luck.

    Revka
    Host
    Hatchbacks / Station Wagons / Women's Auto Center Boards
  • clemmclemm Posts: 4
    Your appraiser's price seems very low for what I've been able to actually find in my region or anywhere else for that matter.
  • rworrellrworrell Posts: 151
    I have a 2000 9-5 Aero wagon, 5-speed, and it's one of the greatest cars I've ever owned. Fun to drive, completely smooth (for lack of a better word--you'll see what I mean when you drive one), luxurious, comfortable, practical, sporty. It's also been 100% reliable for me--no problems, not even those weird squeaks and rattles that my previous Saabs eventually acquired (give it time, though, I'd guess...). I would recommend a 9-5 wagon almost unequivocally. The only thing I don't like is that it is clearly a FWD car and the torque steer gets to me sometimes. Not bad for an only complaint!
  • mstsscmstssc Posts: 89
    I think the price is a little high. Should be able to get a 99 base for under $20k US I would think. However, I am in Canada and prices might be a bit different. I certainly understand that finding a good used one may be difficult inyour area. They are quite rare here.

    The 99's did have some problems with the ECU. Take a quick look at saabnet.com for other reliability issues to be concerned with.
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    That price DOES seem high. Have you tried asking in the Smart Shopper's conference, in the "Real World Trade-In Values" section? There are two really honest and professional dealers there who can give you a really good idea on what to expect for a fair retail price.
  • clemmclemm Posts: 4
    Okay, thanks for the input.
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,704
    You know, Saab has definitely come a long way since they had their troubles. The 9-5s I looked at recently looked way better-built than the Saabs of the 80s and early 90s. And they're of much higher quality than GM's other premium brands (Buick and Cadillac).
  • Hi my name is Dan George and I own as well as sell Saabs. I will be glad to try to answer any Saab questions if you want to. Email me or call me. I'm located in Louisville Ky. saabmandan45@aol.com or 1-800-759-7144
  • Just tried to send you an e-mail and it's not working.

    L
  • Just purchased a 2002 9-5 Linear Wagon and I'm interested in buying a few accessories for it. Can anyone direct me to any sites that offer discount pricing and quality materials? Thanks
  • go to www.saabcenter.com - 20% off all saab parts and accessories - these are factory authorized parts and accessories. saabcenter is actually BRI Imports in Oklahoma City - they are a Saab New Car Dealer. I've ordered from them before - they are fast and efficient.

    for performance parts go to www.abbottracing.com, or www.sasab.com, or www.nordictuning (i think).com these sites offer upgraded ECU chips, suspension, and other components.

    FYI - if you're really into saabs - go to www.saabnet.com - this is the most active site on the net for saab enthusiasts. they have a great forum - mind you the forums are geared for people to solve problems with their cars so don't be surprised if you see lots of posts re. problems - not indicative of the build quality/relaibilty/durability of saabs...

    good luck
  • I presently own a 99 540iat and have always wanted a Saab wagon. I am afraid I will be disappointed if I trade. If I do make the change, which model should I consider? How about reliability?
  • rickpctrickpct Posts: 71
    I would consider the 9-5 Aero - that version would approach the performance of the 540i. Aero has 250 HP, 258 FTLB of torque @ 1900 rpm so the power band makes it fast in everyday driving, 17" rims, high performance suspension and brakes, etc... - all this and 30+ mpg on the highway.

    The 540 will give you better performance - acceleration and handling feel, but realistically for everyday driving and such, the Aero is just as good. If you push the both cars to the limit, the BMW will outperform. My neighbor has a 540 sedan - he drives it 10 miles round trip to work in city driving never exceeding 40mph - seems like a waste of power and performance. I've had my base 95 wagon at 100mph+ - felt solid and under control. I'm sure the aero will feel just as good or better at 120mph. But at the end of the day, just how hard and fast will you drive and how often?

    Versatility and utility is another factor, the 540 wagon is SMALL compared to the Saab - especially cargo area. Finally, the FWD/RWD thing. Up here in CT, my neighbors 540 is snow is horrendous. Despite the fact that it has TCS - in 6-8" of snow - or if you need to go up an incline or hill - forget it - FWD is better.

    Cost is the final factor - new 540 wagon - $50K+, new Aero - $39K. You can take some of that difference to alter the engine chip and software to boost HP to close to 300 if you want.

    Saabs are as reliable as all of the other european cars. Since you own a BMW you won't be surprised by service costs,etc - but Saab pays for first 3 years of service.

    Basically I don't think there are other performance wagons out there - not sure if they still make the Audi S6, the Volvos handle and perform like dogs (but they are versatile wagons though).

    At the end of the day you need to decide what factors are most important to you. Saabs are great cars, fun to drive, practical, and different.

    Good luck.
  • jiber1jiber1 Posts: 1
    Just stopped by the dealer to look at a 9-5 sport wagon, they have one 2001 9-5, 4cyl, leather loaded, with 4K, never titled, used by owner, sticker is $40K+ left on the lot. It has TSC but not ESP, Air conditioned seats & remainder of full warranty. I went for a test drive, and was pleasantly surprised by the handling, cabin noise was more than expected, especially with the fans running. I was waiting on the new A4's and even considered an MDX, I drove the V70 and left unimpressed. The Saab, seems very worthy of consideration, especially the demo which is left. I am not familiar with Saab pricing or discoutns, so any suggestions on pricing and discounts for Saabs would be appreciated. Thanks....
  • mstsscmstssc Posts: 89
    I think $40k is way over priced. I was just looking at a 2001 Aero wagon, new, zero miles for $51k cdn (about $32k US). You should be able to do much better. A new 2002 Aero should be less than $40k.

    BTW,I have a 2001 sedan, great car to drive.
  • kibkirbkibkirb Posts: 1
    I'm in the market for a new wagon and just took the new 9-5 Linear Wagon for a test drive. Much preferred it to the Volvo V70 2.4t, plus we've had a 9-3 for 3+ years and love it -- fun to drive, no maintenance problems. My question is about the TMVs for the 9-5 wagons -- they're about $2k below the invoice for all models. Does this make sense to others? From what I've seen at the dealers in my area, they seem to be selling pretty well.
  • mvcjonesmvcjones Posts: 14
    I live in Los Angeles and have the following offer on the table.

    2002 9-5 Arc with silver metallic paint, List at $41,000
    36 month lease
    12k/year
    Turn in my leased 1999 9-3 SE which is a $3,000 loss based on buy out vs. market value
    Dealer will take care of my remaining 9-3 SE payments, amounting to about $3,250
    $1,495 down
    $498/month taxes included.

    Any advice on whether this is a good deal?

    Thanks in advance

    MVC Jones
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    To mvcjones- In addition to the feedback here, you should also post (copy/paste) your question in this FWI Leasing discussion. Our host (Car man) should be able to offer you some feedback on your deal. Also, weekends are a little slow around here, so you may need to give it a day, or so, more feedback. Good luck, and please keep us posted on your lease.

    To kibkirb- To respond to your Post #630 "TMVs for the 9-5 wagons -- they're about $2k below the invoice for all models. Does this make sense to others?

    Edmunds' TMV is most likely taking into consideration the current $2500 Incentive that Saab is currently offering to their dealers. Good luck.

    Revka
    Host
    Hatchbacks & Station Wagons Boards
  • I have going back and forth between the 9-5 turbo wagon (linear) and the aero version. I'd appreciate some help in this decision from experienced Saab individuals. Also, what about pricing: linear $430/month (including tax) w/$2800 down (15k a year, w/premium package and metallic paint) sales price is $31,800. Aero w/touring (black), $540 month (including tax) pricing is $37,200.
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