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Saab 9-5 Wagon

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  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,036
    I think it's in the how much to pack ability. If we are going to visit family, it's easier to pack light on clothes because we can wash them there. We go to Grandma's in FLA via air for a week with 2-21" rollers (with all the clothes), each kid with a tiny roller (with their toys), a backpack, and a briefcase and have everything we need. Our first driving vacation with a then 4 YO and 18 month old found the back of the Ody filled with a wagon, high chair, pack & play, toys, floats, life jackets, pillows, etc. We took more than we needed because we could.

    As the kids get older, their stuff gets smaller. We really don't need the Ody for family vacations any more because we aren't carrying all that stuff. But it's good to know I can stuff muliple 42" plasmas in there if I had too!!
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    I was hoping for the "dimensional portal" thing, myself.
  • nelsoncmnelsoncm Posts: 103
    I have a 02 Arc Wagon, and I downsized from a Merc Sable wagon, which had about 8 more cu. feet than the Saab and far better storage space/cubbies within the car. The Sable had the equivalent space of many SUV's including the Ford Explorer. (But it was in the shop all the time, so there you go.)
     Anyway, I only have one kid and when it's just him and me, we do fine with space in the Saab. But when we take family trips, it includes my husband, the dog (who gets the back of the wagon) and all our stuff. We have a roof rack, but not the Thule thingee. It gets really cramped in the Saab on family trips, even with the roof rack utilized. (I got through my son's stroller/Pack n' Play phase in the Sable and never could have done it in the Saab.)
    But even w/out all the baby accessories on board, the appalling lack of cubbie space makes the Saabe frustrating for me. There's nary a place to put trash, wrappers, etc. after you've buzzed through the fast food for a bite on the road. The armrest/storage bin is lost when it becomes the drinkholder for you or your spouse. The cell phone is stuffed into the small door pocket with my tiny packet of kleenex and my headset.
    Anyway, if I had 2 kids, I'd either be back in a Sable wagon or move up to a Highlander or Pilot. I drove a couple of minivans and just don't like the way they drive -- too ponderous.
    I love many features of my v6 Saab, especially the seats and the solidness of the construction, and in my opinion the awesome stereo system -- but even with one kid we feel cramped on family trips and it's a shame there are so few large wagons on the market. The Ford/Mercurys are the largest domestic wagons and then you're looking at the Mercedes, and who wants to spend $50K on a wagon? I feel a bit superior not having caved in to the lure of the SUV or minivan, but someimes, it is hard.
    P.S. The Saab has lived up to its reputation as a very reliable car. It is nice not having to visit my dealership every other month!
  • My 1996 V6 owner's manual shows the intervals for belt change-out at "no-charge" up to 100K regardless of years on the road. Don't be tardy on the 30K intervals or they may charge for labor and material (belt). Call the dealer for information.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    '01 book says saab will replace at no charge to customer at 60k.
    speaking of maintenance, any ideas on how much the 40k and 60k services are? think i remember seeing 650-700 for 60k in one of the ed'ies saab discussions.
    major diffs '01 se to '04 arc, as far as i can tell;
    01 v6- regular gas, 04 i4- premium.
    01 heated front and rear seats, 04 front only.
    01 onstar included(1 year), 04 optional(hardware and subscription?). 01 4spd auto, 04 5spd auto.
    01 chrome exhaust tips, 04 hidden.
    anything else i can agonize about? :)
  • kebbatkebbat Posts: 41
    Hi, we are taking delivery of a 2003 9-5 Linear either on Wednesday.

    Silver w/ graphite interior, all the bells and whistles.

    Just wondering what the experience has been with the sentronic manual shifting option .....

    Also, we got the car "loaded" and paid 30k. Sound like we got a good deal? We live in Mass.
  • No one has remarked on the asymetric turbo hung on the V6 that is powered by only one bank of the Vee.

    The set up sounds wierd. Kind of like a guy running a marathon is a New Balance on one foot and an Allen Edmonds tassel loafer on the other. Do the cylinders use the same pistons? Usually, turbo engines have different pistons (oil cooled jets; lower compression ratios, etc.) than natural engines. Does Saab use the same Part Numbers across the banks? Are the valves the same? I would expect that the exhaust valves on the turbo head would run a lot hotter and have to have better material and be in better seats.

    In any case, wouldn't the diffent load patterns between the turbo and nonturbo cylinders lead to abnormal wear because one bank of the engine is doing more work? Wouldn'/t the fact that one side of the engine is loafing while the other isn't, require that one side of the engine need rings or head work first?
  • We purchased the exact car you describe, 2003 linear + touring and premium for 31.5k including loyalty discount last April so 30k is a good deal. So far, we've been happy with the performance and handling and are not bothered much by the mild turbo lag at the low end. I don't use the sentronic automanual mode much - I find the Sport mode more satisfying with smoother acceleration. It comes in handy on long hills, but not in routine driving IMO.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    my unexpert opinion. all the air on the intake side passes through the turbo, so all the cylinders get more or less equal pressure. on the exhaust side, there would be some imbalance, but since a turbo can spin at like 100k rpm, it doesn't take much pressure to get it moving. i imagine the exhaust manifolds can designed differently to somewhat equalize the flow, if that is required. interesting questions, though. maybe someone knows the real answers.
  • explorex4, your're right. Because all cylinders are being turbocharged there wouldn't be a difference in temp, load, duty cycle, etc. And on the exhaust side, maybe it isn;t too big a parsitic load.
  • My 3 month old aero wagon with a stick has plenty of power for me. Plus I get 28-29 mpg on my commute (mostly highway).
  • I have a 2001 Saab 9-5 SE V6 wagon with 50,000 miles that comes off lease this month. The buy out price is $21,300 but Edmund's dealer retail price is $19,960. I would like to pay $20,000 but Saab Financial told me they won't take less than the lease agreement price. Does anyone have any experience negotiating with Saab Financial? I would be willing to pay the $21,300 if Saab would extend my warranty to 7 years/100,000 miles.
  • dskidski Posts: 414
    Here are a couple of thoughts: Our first 9-5 was through a Chase lease. I had no interest in the price they qouted and they eventually came down. A three year old 9-5 ended up at about $18,500 but that was the original SE version with a 4.

    One thing to consider if you want to buy this one out: Talk to you dealer about buying it back from them as a "Certified Saab". What happens is that the dealer takes the car back and after certification you get a good extension on your warranty. I think it takes it to 100K. The certification does cost though. You might be surprised and find the buy back from the dealer to be a similar price though. Never know until you research it.

    Good Luck
    Drew
    PS.. I'd strongly recommend extended warranty wether thru Saabs certification or buying one on your own.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    i'll be in the same boat fairly soon. have the same wagon too. steel grey?
    the only advice i've read (which is here at edmunds) is to move up the ladder until you get to a decisionmaker. the first level you get to can only spout the party line. if you can get to the right person, they might consider an offer greater than what the car would wholesale for.
    my guess is that 50k is a lot higher mileage than most leased cars out there.
    ours needed new brakes at 30k. how has your car held up?
  • dskidski Posts: 414
    Ours is an '02 with 22K not sure how close we are for Brakes. Our first 9-5 did need them around 30K if i remember but really that's pretty much the average for most cars.

    My only dissapointent with the first 9-5 was an oddly worn rear brake rotor that had to be replaced. I should have argued that one for a warranty repair but didn't. If it happens again, I most definately will fight it.

    Drew
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    have never needed brakes that early on any vehicle.
    based on the amount of brake dust on the wheels, i wasn't surprised though. the traction control uses the brakes too.
    the new ones don't seem to make as much 'dust'.
  • I went to the local Saab dealer who has a certified 2001 SE V6 Wagon, 45K miles for sale. The certification adds 2 years and 50K miles to the warranty. By the time I do the math, the certified car will cost the same amount as what I would pay to buy out my leased car. I drove the certified car. Three things I did not like: road noise (the pavement was wet), clunking sound when I pulled away from a stop, and alignment pulls slightly to the left. Either car is going to need new brakes and tires soon, so that is a toss-up. The dealer put in a new computer information display (CID), battery, and electronic fuel injection system. The car has been serviced every 10K miles (I serviced mine every 5K). It also has a new catalytic converter at 40K and front wheel bearing at 35K. Other than the CID, these are a lot more things than I have had to do to my vehicle.

    I am not sure which way I may go. One one hand, the certified vehicle extends the warranty thru 11/2006 or 95K miles. On the other hand, I know what my vehicle is like.
  • Slehrman, a new fuel injection system??? This car sounds like someone's lemon. It may have even been a buy-back. Have you considered running your OWN full detail (the ones the dealers give you are just summaries) carfax?
  • dskidski Posts: 414
    I don't know if the Certified car your looking at was someone's lemon or not but I do have a comment or two about this particular car:

    The "Clunking" sound you referred to is coming from the Fuel Tank. It's a problem that many owners experience in the 9-5. For some reason the design had this issue with a half to 3/4 full tank. Not all 9-5 owners had this. Saab had a fix that meant putting in baffles which reduced fuel capacity by a couple of gallons. We did NOT have this problem with any of our two previous 9-5's. If I had noticed it in a car I was interested in, I probably would have passed on it. Some Owners reporting this have been very annoyed.

    If the dealer could not correct the pulling problem, I'd be concerned about the quality of their "Certification work" and future service work. I would expect a certified car to be Free of these issues.

    Good Luck
    Drew
  • The buyout for my '99 9-5 base model was $21,000. Chase was willing to come down $1000, which was probably the expense of taking the car back and getiting it to auction. I leased another one, this time from Saab Financial - much lower purchase at lease end. At 50,000 miles you may get tagged for the excessive wear in addition to the .20 per mile. Do the math and see how much the penalty would be - then figure out the purchase price. remember to subtract the mileage penalty from the agreed upon price. Also remember that you are buying a 50,000 mile vehicle, and not a trouble free new one! Donn
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    the tire pressures could have had an effect on what you felt during your test drive.
    uneven tire pressure can result in pullng to the side. too high can make a lot of noise.
    check the tread on the tires as compared to new ones. you want as much as possible.
    at least the converter was replaced after to 'fuel injection'. their problems are probably related. in our wagon, you can actually hear the gas slosh around, 'feel it' too. i don't drive it on a regular basis, and don't experience it all the time, but if it happens between 3/4 and 1/2 a tank, that may be why. the clunk might also be related to the wheel bearing replacement.
    i would think even certified cars are negotiable.
    you should still get the cert car checked out before you buy.
  • Thanks for all the great advice regarding the 2001 SE V6 Wagon. I am leaning toward buying my current vehicle since I know the repair history and it is in good shape. I would probably keep it another 4-5 years. What do people think about buying the Saab/GM extended warranty? The cost is $1700 for 3yrs/36,000 miles or $1950 for 3yrs/45,000 miles. How have Saab's held up once they get past 50K miles?
  • Curious to know if anyone has made any mods on there 9-5 Saabs. I am interested in stiffer shocks and steel braided brake lines. Has anyone used Abbott Racing, Hirsch or Nordic parts?
  • My car has excessive vibration at 70 MPH. Dealer has rebalanced tires twice. No improvement. anyone with similar problem or advice appreciated.
  • What wheels, front I am assuming. How many miles on the tires. Suffering from excessive wear maybe? Have you had a 4 wheel alignment and/or tire rotation.
  • Looking for feedback on buying a 2001 Saab 9-5 SE wagon from my local Volvo dealer (who apparently doesn't want a competing Swede on his lot). The car has 39,000 miles on it and appears gently used - only concern is a CarFax report showing it titled as a rental for its first 2000 miles prior to being titled to a private party (possibly a service loaner?). The dealer is currently down to $15,600 for the car. Is this as good a deal as it seems or am I missing something about this particular car or Saabs in general? I'd like to buy and drive this wagon to 100K+. Any thoughts or troublespots with Saabs (V6?) that I should be aware of before I write a check? Thanks in advance to all who respond to my plea for help!
  • Will they let you take it to a local SAAB dealership for a checkup?. .
  • catk9catk9 Posts: 1
    Won't try to help regarding CarFax or mechanical questions but I can tell you that I'm also a first time Saab owner. I bought a 2001 Saab 9-5 Aero wagon with 39,000 miles on it from a private party for $23,500 in December 03. I'm not sure if that was a great deal but it is the top of the line model, appeared to be in excellent condition and the exact color I was looking for so couldn't pass it up. $15,600 sounds like a great deal to me as long as that title thing doesn't turn out to be an issue. I could not be more happy with my new, used car. I'm an ex-SUV person and not missing it at all. Good luck!
  • Coming off lease – buy-out or new car? If anyone has the patience to read this we’d really appreciate your advice. Here is our situation: Coming off a 3 year lease of 2001 9.5 SE V-6 wagon; a little over one month away from lease end. Buy out figure is: $20,075. Car is in good condition. The Edmunds on-line used car appraiser listed the private party sale of the car at $18,453; dealer retail at $20,436 and dealer certified used vehicle at $21,516.

    We have heard that Saab does not negotiate on buy-outs, although we have read isolated accounts of knocking off $1,300 in last 48 hours before the lease ended, and one person said Saab was willing to extend the 4-year warranty to 7 years. (Saab Financial has told us they will do nothing for us at all.)

    It seems to us that the SE/Arc model has not changed much in three years, altho some things we like have been eliminated: V-6 engine and standard Onstar installation (optional installation is $700). In favor of buying: Little change in model. Already eaten 3 years depreciation. Car is a known quantity. Some things we like no longer offered. Avoid turn in penalties of $1,383 (At 36,000 mileage -- 6,000 over mileage @ .20 = $1,200; and Saab Financial inspection assessed excess wear and tear at $183.) We don’t know whether our repair history is a pro or con in terms of buying the car at lease-end: minor roof leak at the outset; rear brakes at 25,000 miles; catalytic converter at 32,000; oil leak at 32,000; split axle boot at 32,000; the biggie is that the transmission was replaced at 30,000.

    While we were considering all this, the dealer called and offered us: no last month payment of $443, and a sale price for the 2004 Arc wagon (including auto. transmission & premium package) of $32,650. Specific questions: Does Saab negotiate lease buy-outs at all (reduce price, extend warranty)? Why did Saab eliminate SE V-6? Will we feel the lack of V-6 with the 2004 Arc (power, acceleration)? Are we correct in thinking there have been no major improvements to the 9-5 SE/Arc wagon in 3 years (since 2001 model)? Is transmission replacement a pro or con for buying out lease? Once Saab has done the end of lease inspection – assuming nothing else has happened to the car, can they assess higher excess wear and tear figure? Thanks for answers to any questions.
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