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Saab 9-5 Wagon

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  • lshi1lshi1 Posts: 1
    If you're thinking used - stay away from the SE V6.

    Oh my gosh! Could someone explain to me why I should stay away from the SE V6? I'm currently looking at a 2001 SE V6 wagon and is about to pull the trigger. Thanks in advance!
  • bcoolbcool Posts: 59
    43/42 psi is the correct pressure for the 45 series tires on an Aero. Lower profile tires need more pressure. I received the initial same "low pressure reco" from the dealer (34 psi). Later I spoke to a Ronal Wheel sales rep. and he told me to use the higher pressures for low profile tires. I get 1.5 mpg better (20.9 vs 22.4). They wear better. And the car drives much better. They are also less likely to pinch against the rim over a manhole cover or something similar. :)
  • bcoolbcool Posts: 59
    The 9-5 was designed around the 2.3 I4. The V6 is heavier, causing the front brake pads to wear more quickly, not to mention what it does to handling. With regards to reliability , instead of one DI cassette, you have 2 to deal with. The I4 has better performance and gets better gas mileage. The I4 is a SAAB design built in Germany. The V6 is a POS GM design, built in England. GM has been forcing SAAB to stick V6's in their cars ever since they bought them. This has never been a successful initiative, but an executive mandate by mindless executive and marketing managers. In '04 SAAB finally put the I4 in the Arc. This is a beautiful car. You'll see many SE-V6 SAABS in the used car lots.
  • bcoolbcool Posts: 59
    I've always considered SAAB the superior Euro brand. Best all around designs, great performance, not to mention longevity and environmental consciousness.
  • tebeloneytebeloney Posts: 4
    Can I hear feedback from owners of the 2006? How do you like the car, the drive, the new interior look, etc?
    Are there many aftermarket products available for the 2006 yet?
    I actually like the 9-3 SportCombi, but having two kids think it may turn out to be too small.

    Thanks,
    Tim
  • georgekgeorgek Posts: 50
    I love mine. Compared to previous 9-5s the ride is better controlled and smoother, while the handling still is very good unless you are used to a 5 series or E class, which run $15K more than the 9-5. Before buying it I cross shopped the new Passat, V70, Subaru Legacy GT, Outback XT and the Tribeca, Mazda 6 and used 5 series and E class wagons. None had the combination of features, comfort, performance and value of the SAAB.

    It has more than enough power, a quiet and roomy interior and exceptionally comfortable seats. I have a wagon without the sport package. The cargo capacity is quite a bit larger than my last wagon, a 2000 Passat, and it carries much more than my wife's XC70 where the rear drive mechanicals raise the cargo floor by 6-8".

    Styling is a matter of taste. I like the new front on lighter color cars (mine is steel gray) but think it looks a bit odd on the dark ones. The interior is well fitted and mostly high quality materials except for a few pieces of cheap plastic around the shift lever and behind the door handles. The sound system is excellent, although I wish it had a cassette player.

    There are a few things that I do not like, but consider them fair trade-offs in what all-in-all is a very high value package: There is very little storage space in and around the dash, especially if you want two cupholders and therefor keep the insert in the console. The front seats have front pockets that are not convenient to reach while driving, and the storage pockets in the doors are small. I would like to see some in dash cubbies or overhead storage for glasses and other small items. The sole in-dash cupholder is elegant but flimsy. Strange for a car in this class the windows are one touch down but not up. I also would like to see a fold-flat front passenger seat as in Volvo wagons.

    The only major flaw, IMO is in the paddle system for the shiftable automatic transmission. You must first move the shift lever to the rear and then use the paddles to shift up and down. You then must move the shift lever forward to resume full automatic. This is awkward and inefficient, and becomes very annoying in use. Much better to control it all either with the paddles or the console lever as with the 9-3 and every other "manumatic" I have driven.

    The paddles were the only thing that almost turned me away from the car, but were not annoying enough to overcome its many virtues and great value. I will never like them, but no longer grumble each time I use them.
  • tebeloneytebeloney Posts: 4
    Thanks for the detailed feedback. One of the factors leading me to this car is the manual gearbox, but everything else you mention jibes with my needs.

    Thanks again!

    Tim
  • georgekgeorgek Posts: 50
    I considered the manual gearbox, but spend too much time driving in large cities (NY, DC and Baltimore mostly) where I prefer an automatic.
  • bcoolbcool Posts: 59
    OK, sorry for bashing the SE-V6. No real good reason to stay away from it. :)
  • ganibarganibar Posts: 2
    My 9-5 is causing me pain. It has lived to 104,000, yet it should only be at mid life yet the crisis is that the alarm system battery needs now to be replaced, the airbag system decided to whig out and the coolant system was just re charged, add to this that both fog lamps have taken the abuse of stones from the road and been knocked into uselessness and there is a hefty, none standard, maintenance facing this car. I do enjoy to drive it, but is it worth keeping or am I better off with a 2006 wagon or moving on to BMW?
  • bcoolbcool Posts: 59
    I just went through the same deal with my '92 9000. After 100M, it had alot of expensive repairs - most justifiable, some not. I was able to justify the $$ because I didn't have any car payments. The car was practical, and a lot of fun to drive. Some things were very reliable, like the AC, M-transmission, brakes and wheel allignment. Other things were not. The previous owner only changed the oil every 10,000 miles, if that. This may have caused the timing chain the break at 140M. In retrospect, I learned that it was to expensive to maintain at the dealer. The mechanics at the dealer also seemed to do rush jobs, and if they fixed one problem, they seemed to cause another. Sometimes their diagnosis was wrong and they unnecessarily replaced expensive parts. If you have a good affordable, independent SAAB mechanic, you might want to keep it. Get some grills for the fog lights. SAABnet.com (http://saabnet.com/tsn/faq/miles/) has a list of people with high and ultra-high mileage SAABs. I suppose all cars are expensive to maintain after +100M these days, even BMW's. I finally got rid of the '92 at 181M, and bought a new one.
  • nelsoncmnelsoncm Posts: 103
    I had a 2002 Arc with the v-6. Engine and performance wise, I loved this car. And having driven a 4-cyl Saab a couple of times, I preferred the v-6's ride myself. Plus, the fit and finish of my Saab was spot on -- everything was solid as a rock. Best build quality and materials of any car I've ever owned. And yet, I just traded mine in, at only 45k miles, for of all things a 06 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Why? While I loved the performance and overall reliability of my Saab, the rumbly and somewhat noisy ride got on my nerves, and the lack of decent-sized cubbies and cupholders was annoying. I hated having to lay my cell phone and all the accompanying gadgets either on the passenger seat or on the floor. Stupid stuff like that. Plus, my service experiences in the last year weren't very good. (Only 2 dealerships in Orange County, CA.) However, I will say, the back half of the Saab, the rear seats and armrest plus the cargo area were far superior to my new jeep. However, in the front of the cabin, the jeep has all the cubbies and space I need for all my crap. Plus it's quiet and smooth. Now, will it be reliable? Well, let's just say I bought the extended warranty. While I had sort of a love-hate relationship with my Saab, I appreciated it for the quality build and performance. I've heard mixed things about the v-6, I just never had any issues with it.
  • bcoolbcool Posts: 59
    You're right. Why doesn't SAAB get with it and put 2 cup holders up front. At the same time, a little more storage for the cell phone, sun block, a large bottle of water, sun glasses, etc. How about an ipod/mp3 port too. The older SAAB's had bigger glove boxes, with multiple compartments, too. I had a '03 Grand Cherokee before this, now my wife has it. It's a different ride.
  • 2006 Saab 9-5; dealership asking 34,851 net of all incentives - what do you think - should I purchase?
  • bcoolbcool Posts: 59
    I'm not sure which model you're asking about, but it seems like they may be a little more juice to squeeze from that orange. Look to get between 20 and 30 percent off MSRP for an '06 this late in the year.
  • saablcpsaablcp Posts: 195
    Get real Dude!Where do you come up with 30% off M.S.R.P.???????? LOL! Saab 9-3 Aero Conv.,M.S.R.P.@$45,000 (app.)buy in Sept '06 for what....$31,500???? RIGHT..put me down for two!!!!!
  • smu1976smu1976 Posts: 110
    The car is a year old already, if not more? Euro delivery gets you 20% off MSRP and 2K for traveling? With a MSRP of 45,500 for a 9-3, I think I would want close to 20 plus percent off or go get a 3 series BMW, which will hold its value way more than this Saab and outperform it. Depends where you live and the market. Converts hurt your negotiation, Aero's ain't what they used to be. If your in a big city with a high volume Saab dealer, your not going to get much off. Shop across the U.S., try dealers in Kansas City, Oklahoma City and they will deal and ship you the car.
  • saablcpsaablcp Posts: 195
    You,of course,are entitled to your opinion.However this is not a matter of opinion.First point:Saab European delivery saves you approximately 9% off M.S.R.P.,for example '07 9-5 Sport-Combi base M.S.R.P.(U.S.A.)@$35,370.00,base M.S.R.P.(I.D.S.)@32,170.00.Second point,regardless of your opinion of the products performance or resale value,you are not going to find ANY MODEL FROM ANY MANUFACTURER that is going to have a LEGITIMATE 20% discount off of sticker....and we are not including current year corporate demos,which would have miles on them and might even have already been titled.You are expressing an opinion based on what you think you should expect,I am speaking facts.
  • bcoolbcool Posts: 59
    Put me down for two!! I guess that they can see you coming from a mile away. WC Fields has a great saying... TASBED. These numbers are just from experience. I got 31% of my last SAAB (not a convertible). Negotiated 21% off an '06 VOLVO, for my wife, last July. Dude, car prices drop so quickly these days, it doesn't make sense to buy used. Don't walk in waving $$ and your good old credit around. Squeeze 'em. BTW, I think that SAABS are the best cars around.
  • bcoolbcool Posts: 59
    Yes, of course!!! SAABS are very beautiful cars. You will enjoy it for many years.
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