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Saab 9-5 Wagon

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  • Don't know what area you're in, but I've been looking at Saabs (and Pricing) in the mid-atlantic area for a few weeks now. If you are willing to order online and wait a while to get the car, carorder.com has the wagon for about $400 UNDER invoice. buysaabonline.com sells them for around invoice price, and fitzgerald automall in Maryland(fitzgeraldauto.com) lists a wagon for $200 over invoice (a no-haggle dealer). A fair price for you depends on where you are and how badly you want to buy the car from your local dealer, instead of a distant dealer.
  • Any one have thoughts on the benefit of the metallic versus clearcoat (black, red, white) colors? Other then personal preferences, is there a reason(s) to choose metallic versus clearcoat? I intend to lease for three years, so longer term considerations won't apply. I like the black(clearcoat) and the midnight blue (metallic) so I could go either way. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

    Pagreene and lieberson1, thanks for the responses. I am about to go to the mat with the dealer today on pricing. Working with International Motors in Northern Virginia.
  • good luck! Please share what you end up paying!
  • Best of luck with the new car! I have about 600 miles on my new 9.5wagon and I'm falling more and more in love with it! It's nice to drive something different than what you see most everyone else driving. Whenever I cross paths w/another 9.5 or 9.3 there is always a wave or thumbs up from the other driver. As far as metallic vs. non metalic....just go for the color you like. Mine is a light metallic green called "sun green". It hides the dust and road gunk great. Remember...black paint shows dirt the most. Let us know what ya get!
  • lanse1lanse1 Posts: 1
    Have been talking to International Motors too about a sun green with heated seats as the only other option, so I'm curious about how you made out with your 3 year lease. 12k or 15k miles? thanks.
  • Leased my sun green 2000 9.5se V6 for 24 months $1400 down, 20,000 miles per year, heated seats and "on-star".....pmts are 620.00 month. Had to do 24 month because our business only leases cars for that duration. keep us posted!
  • OK, I am about to sign on the dotted line. A 2000 9-5 SE V6 with heated seats, sliding floor loader, and CD changer in black clearcoat. A 36 month lease with 15,000 miles per year. Monthly payment is $470.00. Total up front payment is $3,669 which includes a 1,000 down payment, first month's payment of 470, 475 security deposit, 495 acquisition fee, 1,190 taxes, and 39 for tags and title. I also wanted wind deflector and auxillary power outlet in the cargo area, but neither of these items can be residualized on a lease so I believe I will have the dealer install them outside of the lease. I know that black shows dirt, but I have owned a black car before and the way they look when clean is worth the extra maintenance to me.

    Lieberson1, sounds like you have the kind of commute I use to have when I leased a Seville for three years and had a 22,000 mile per year lease.
  • Just leased a 2000 9-5 SE wagon with heated seats and metallic paint for $460/month including taxes (3yr lease), with $2,050 down ($999 cap cost reduction, first payment, $475 security). This is based on total cost of $36,230, with residual value of $24,300. At the dealership I was told they would lose money on the deal, that I had gotten a great price. Is this true? I'm happy with what I payed, but would love some feedback.
  • Without all the details, this appears to be a great deal. I assume it is a 12,000 mile/year lease. Without knowing where you live, I don't know the amount of taxes you rolled into the lease. If you give me that number, and any other amounts you rolled into the lease, I can tell you basically what the dealer priced the car at. By the way, you said you put 2,050 down, but your first month's payment, security deposit and capitalized cost reduction only adds up to 1,934. Was the difference tags and title or some other charges? If I had a nickel for every time a dealer told me he was losing money on a car he was selling me, I would probably have at least a dollar and a quarter.
  • I signed on the dotted line this weekend too. Frost Gray Wagon, 4 cyl., automatic, premium package, heated seats, etc... $200 over invoice with no document fee -- not sure if I could have talked them lower, but I'm happy with this. The car buyer at my credit union said he couldn't get it for this, but I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else has paid less. So far, I absolutely adore the car (especially in sport mode!).
  • Thanks for your response.

    I leased the car at Mike Shaw Buick Saab in Denver, Colorado, and paid tax of 7.46% (state and county). The missing $116 on the down payment is city tax (I think), which for some reason I was required to pay up front for the entire lease term, and probably also luxury tax on the amount over $35,000.
  • jonw2jonw2 Posts: 49
    We are seriously considering a 9-5 station wagon. Perhaps I missed it, but I haven't seen a discussion of the relative merits of automatic vs. manual tranmissions for the 9-5 wagon in this thread. I was wondering if anyone on this board has bought the base station wagon with manual transmission and how you like it compared to the automatic that you may have test driven.

    It's my perception that manual transmissions are much cheaper over the life of the car. I would imagine that an overhaul of a Saab automatic would be very expensive. We own an '87 Saab with manual, which has given us superb service, but notchy shifting in older Saabs is legendary.

    We do little city driving, so that would be a small factor. I would appreciate any thoughts on: ease of operation, smoothness of shifting,
    power tradeoffs, etc. Thanks for your input.
  • ejgskmejgskm Posts: 9
    We think we would like a manual wagon, but can't find one to test drive! The local dealer doesn't even order any. Very disappointing. I also tried carorder.com, just to see what they could find. Manuals by special order (ie 3 months) only. Are they available outside of southern California?
  • rfellmanrfellman Posts: 109
    Wardlaw's biased review of the 9-5 Wagon was a worthless exercise and out of line with Edmund's usual quality and integrity. Compare Wardlaw's ignorant statement about value to this link..
    http://www.thecarplace.com/saab95.htm Who pays MSRP for a SAAB? For an Audi, yes, MSRP or close to it is the norm. Wardlaw just confirms he is a clown masquerading as a journalist.
    Ask yourself why if Wardlaw hates SAABS (as evidenced by his complaint over key placement) he is allowed to review one for Edmunds?
  • rfellmanrfellman Posts: 109
    http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/whitmore/99Saab.9-3.rt.html

    How can Edmunds allow an avowed anti-SAABite to review a SAAB. Where is the journalistic intergity. Reviews should not be just an opinion piece by a someone with an axe to grind.
  • rfellmanrfellman Posts: 109
    Wardlaw all wet (rfellman) Sat 29 Jan '00 (01:10 PM)

    http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/Jedlicka/Saab/9-5%20Wagon/1999.asp
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    I have to admit I agree with Wardlaw, I ended up with a Audi A6 Quattro Avant over the Saab. Paid $600 over invoice thanks to Edmunds. I agree that he did make too much of it breaking down though, I doubt that is common. The Saab is lacking in storage, no all wheel drive, the seats do smell funny, and my Audi is a more handsome car inside and out. If I wanted just a front wheel drive wagon I'd have gotten a Passat Wagon over the Saab. I also have a Passat sedan that's fantastic. Is that a Saab remote in your pocket or are you just glad to see me? LOL It's nice to see people buying wagons of any brand over SUV's, glad that trend seems to be changing. Enjoy your Saabs and lighten up a little.
  • jonw2jonw2 Posts: 49
    It was a disappointment to read a report such as Wardlaw's. However, I put it in context with Consumer Report's long fixation (to the exclusion of other virtues) on Saab's unforgiveable impudence in placing the ignition key on the floor/console. How dare Saab flout accepted engineering design? After all, didn't Thomas Edison tell the eccentric Nikola Tesla that, "Fooling around with alternating current is just a waste of time?"

    Seriously, had Car or Driver, or one of my favorite car critics, Warren Brown, of the Washington Post panned the car, I would have much more concerned. Saabs are far from perfect, but for those of us who like something different than the generic people movers proffered by the big three and the Japanese, Saab will do nicely.

    It was the luck of the draw that Wardlaw had to endure a breakdown with the 9-5. In 15 years of driving Saabs, I've never been let down on the road. However, I've had the tow truck out three times in the last five months to tote away our Ford Taurus. But that's another story.
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    I do agree the review was a bit of a hatchet job,
    and that some points are silly or wrong. I
    wouldn't be quite so insulting, though. I assume
    his first car failing colored his perceptions and
    made him seek fault, although he has trashed saabs
    in previous reviews. His hatchet of the 9-3 is
    even more flatly wrong:
    http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/whitmore/99Saab.9-3.rt.html
    (look down at the end)
    Getting dusted by a metro? Yeah, whatever. Rip
    the turbo out and the 9-3 is still way faster, so
    proper turbo spooling has nothing to do with it.
    His comments on how hard the 9-3 is to drive makes
    him look like a pretty pitiful driver, because I
    know several amateurs who pull off the 9-3 pretty
    well. My wife managed to do better than him in
    five minutes after not driving a manual trans car
    in 5 years. He says he prefers the a4, though it's not even close to the same category car in speed, safety, interior & storage space, etc. Makes you wonder about this "automotive journalist."

    (back to the 9-5)


    For example, complaining about the lack of four-wheel drive when this is nowhere near standard in the class is a bit silly, as is complaining about key on-the-console. I mean, come on. People get used to it. I'd like to see him back his claim that other cars for the less offer the same. I'd say this is pure hooey, particulary, but not just if, you consider real purchase price. Key fob interfering with window controls, Yeah, if you stretch it out over them like in the picture. I also take issue with his complaint of "undersuspended" and am surprised he'd say this, particulary when other reviewers commented 100% in the opposite direction. Considering the 9-5 has sportscar-like slalom times, this is even more odd. His comment about not being able to adjust the front seat to support buttocks and thighs are contrary to my experience, but these parts may be differently shaped ( e.g larger ) on him than on I.


    He does compliment the car in several areas, roominess, power, safety, and I agree with his issues with interior storage. His few legitimate gripes don't justify his negative conclusion, though.

    Take it as a not 100% bad review from someone who has a problem with saabs, and had a bad experience with this one. It would be nice if there could be a rebuttal section, though, or if they'd given the review to someone else.

    dave
  • Whatever this guy is smoking....I want some! I have had my new Saab 9.5se wag for about three weeks. Everyday I find more to appreciate about this car. Ok, it does not handle as well as a "all wheel" drive Audi A6 wagon or a Cadi. STS. Hey, those riggs cost a bit more. The STS Cadillac is about $55k! I don't mind giving up a little handling in exchange for the $. Little features like a rear wiper that knows when you are in reverse, side marker lights that illuminate your turn, very well placed switches and gauges, rear fog lamp, heated mirrors, and a very nice sound system make this car a joy to drive. Regarding the ignition between the seats...it's a very safe idea. Hey Wardlaw...guess what dozens of ER docs pull out of the knees and thighs of car accident victims.....keys!! Locating the ignition between the seats prevents this type of injury. Now the key fob thing ( is fob a real word?) ...look, it is not traditional. So what! That is what makes it a Saab. And another thing Wardlaw...my leather seats do not smell funky! Maybe you just need to watch what you eat for lunch!
    Hey, a bit more handling and little more storage would be nice. In the mean time I am going to enjoy the heck out of what Saab has built!
  • iansians Posts: 1
    A couple of observations on this topic. Half way through the 2000 model year, what are Edmunds and their reviewer doing publishing a report about a "preproduction 1999 car"? If you want to be taken seriously as a fair, unbiased review organisation (which you appear to be from all other accounts), test the latest production model from the manufacturer.

    Secondly, if the car came from Saab USA, what are they doing offering up the said "preproduction" example, heavily hammered by the ink stained wretches. Not exactly the way to get your prime product properly reviewed.

    My interest in this? I just ordered a loaded 2000 3.0L SE wagon, my first Saab ever, here in Canada for low $ 50,000 Canadian Monopoly money. Mr. Wardlaw sure made me spill my tea, until I figured that this review does not reflect well on either Edmunds or Saab, or do justice to a very fine automobile that I can't wait to get my hands on.
  • jpnwdcjpnwdc Posts: 42
    I just read Wardlaw's review of the Saab 9-5 wagon. I don't think I've ever read such a nit picky auto review before. Getting your fingernails dirty because of having to clean brake dust off the front wheels??

    Also, some of his complaints were probably due to driving a pre-production model. One of the Saab dealers in the Wash. DC area had several pre-production 9-5 sedans they were trying to sell. The front suspensions had a different feel than the production models, and the interiors had a musty smell. As a result, they have not been able to get rid of all of them.
  • bmwjoebmwjoe Posts: 136
    I am fixing to buy a new 9-5 wagon and I have a few questions:

    The car I want is a 5 speed and I will want a specific color and options. How long does it take to order a car from Saab?

    Has anyone dealt with car order.com? How does this service work.

    Are there discount Saab parts dealers on the internet?

    Drive Safe,

    Joe
    http://home.jtan.com/~joe/joe.htm
  • I purchased the base engine with a manual transmission - test drove both auto and standard. The shift pattern is good, but not up to BMW standards. BUT, I bought the standard and love having it, as does, unfortunately, my 18 year old daughter. There was a decent selection of manuals available last summer - East Coast - in particular in New England, but I did end up with leather, which I do like, and the dealer ate the cost of the heated seats, which I really like!
    Wardlaw's review - WRONG!! - The VW Passat wagon is not in the same ballpark - underpowered(only the 150 hp four is available in the wagon) and much more body roll and noise. Also, the rear seats tilt outboard! The Subie isn't there either! Also, I paid $32,000, which was $10,000 less than the Audi, and $12,000 less than the BMW. So, I think someone ought to have him examined!
  • One more thing - Saab has a very annoying light that comes on telling you when to shift - The dealer can disconnect this!
  • Joe-I placed an order with carorder.com for a 9-5 manual wagon three weeks ago. The price I was quoted was great-$600. below invoice- but so far it is just a quote. To fully understand the carorder.com drama you should read (some of the) hundreds of postings devoted to caroder.com experiences. Suffice it to say that they are way way way too busy right now and seem unable or unwilling to find many of the cars that people have ordered. My experience is similar to others-- they said they couldn't find the car and would have to special order it. I said fine. Seems simple, yet nothing has happened. It's been three weeks. The car hasn't been ordered. It takes days if not weeks to even get a response to an email. All that said, I am in no big hurry and if I end up with the car I want in a few months, below invoice, I'll be another happy customer. My local Saab dealer can't get me a manual transmission and won't special order. How's that for customer service? There do not seem to be any manual wagons in Southern California. I've called four dealerships. So, in my case carorder may be my best bet. Patience is a virtue!
  • I forgot to mention that a special Saab order through carorder.com takes 12-16 weeks.
  • VladKVladK Posts: 1
    I bet this guy drives a Ford Explorer. Or something else, so conformist that he just can't see beyond his own rigid mindset.

    Most of his negative comments don't make any sense. Actually, the whole review does not make sense, including the choice of V-6 automatic. It's a *SAAB*, not a Honda, for crying out loud! The proper powertrain is a turbocharged four-cylinder with manual gearbox, just like God intended. None of that Opel crap!

    Placing window switches on center console makes them much more convenient for anyone driving a manual gearbox car. Your right hand does all the shifting, handbraking, window opening and key turning, without having to EVER take the left hand off the steering wheel.

    And maybe this guy will someday shatter his right knee cap when he crashes his Explorer. Maybe then the inherent danger of placing a sharp metal object in direct path of the driver's knee will get through his thick scull. And he will finally realize that placing the ignition between the seats is the only logical place. That is, if he doesn't shatter his scull as well, as his Explorer certanly does not provide nearly as much safety as the least safe SAAB does.

    I can't believe someone like this is an automotive journalist. He should be a censorship official in his local Gestapo.
  • bmwjoebmwjoe Posts: 136
    EJ- The price I was quoted from carorder.com was about $800 over invoice. Not really great. I am in S.E. Pennsylvania. I wonder if it matters where you live?

    Where can I find these hundreds of postings on carorder.com?

    Joe
  • Joe- I found it by doing a topic search on Edmund's for carorder.com. The most current is carorder.com experiences Part 2. I just looked and there are currently over 1,700 postings. Happy reading! I certainly haven't read them all, but from what I have read-- yes, it does matter where you live. For whatever reason, there are different prices in different states. People have reported better prices in California. Also, the price fluxuates, so check again tomorrow! Once you like the price, you can put it in your garage with no committment on your part. Then you have a certain number of day (7 or 10?) to order it at that price. The price expires once the clock hits 12:01 am of the "expires on" day. You do not have until midnight!!! You give them a credit card number and the authorization to charge $500 dollars as a deposit when they find your specific car AND you agree to this specific car. Carorder doesn't put anything on your card- just the dealership that finds and holds your car. So, I haven't been charged anything. Seems like you can back out of the whole deal if you want, with no penalty, except that if they find your exact car and you back out you are prohibited from ordering that same car with carorder for 6 months.
    Good luck.
    EJ
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