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2010 Toyota Corolla vs 2010 Kia Forte

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,769
    Toyota definitely leads Kia in one area lately: recalls.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    Not so ! ! ! Consumer reports has rated that Toyota vehicles have been on the safest car list seven times out of all classes of vehicles for the year of 2009. Kia on the other hand has made the list only two times. Who's leading in that field ? ? ? Backy you usually don't miss things like that, how did that slip by you ? ? ?
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    maybe so, but there is some serious flaws happening, that did not happen in the past - 4.2 million vehicles recalled last fall and 2.3 more just a couple of days ago. The largest ever in North America!

    Also check out this journalist comments from his visit to the Detroit Auto Show
    http://www.autoextremist.com/

    part of the comments "Now in the midst of a relentless series of recalls, that ol’ Toyota quality magic has been blown to smithereens, and their reputation is in tatters. And amazingly enough consumers have quickly gotten the message that there are other automakers out there delivering the kind of quality numbers that used to be exclusively associated with Toyota."

    Consumer reports reliability is spread over time, so it will be interested to see the results in the next year or two. All I know is that my KIA is very reliable.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,769
    You are equating recalls with overall safety. I was talking about recalls. How did that slip by YOU?

    Face it, Toyota quality has slipped big time from its heyday in the '80s and '90s. When you have professional reviewers like C/D saying that the interior fit/finish of a Kia Optima is better than that of the Camry, or when Consumer Reports ranks a Kia ahead of the Camry, that should be a wake-up call for Toyota and those who think Toyota is far ahead of the likes of Kia.

    Although not perfect, at least Kia seems capable of designing cars that accelerate only when you want them to.
  • ivtec1ivtec1 Posts: 29
    I think generally toyota corolla and Honda civic (i own one) are good cars. But i don't think they are as good as before. Hyundai and Mazda are making better cars (check 2010Mazda 3). Just check out all the complaints about civic & corolla http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/ :sick:

    In summary, the corollas have been hit with steering complaints and the civic (2006-2007) models hit with cracked engine blocks yikes
  • I never really believed Consumer Reports would report like backy mentioned here.

    When you have professional reviewers like C/D saying that the interior fit/finish of a Kia Optima is better than that of the Camry, or when Consumer Reports ranks a Kia ahead of the Camry, that should be a wake-up call for Toyota and those who think Toyota is far ahead of the likes of Kia.

    I would really think twice about even considering buying a Toyota at this point in time. OTOH-both Kia and Hyundai are building safe and sane rigs that are just gorgeous to gaze upon. But so is Mitsubishi, and I know, I digress. But IMHO Toyota is slipping large-time right now.

    Their problems are beyond just being a "wake-up call" in my opinion.

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    Now come on ! ! ! You stated "Toyota leads Kia in one catagory", my point is to correct you, Toyota leads Kia in at least two catagories, one being SAFETY !
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,769
    I think it's hard to justify a claim of Toyota leading ANYONE in safety with millions of its cars, including the 2010 Corolla, recalled for a safety-related defect. Toyota can't even claim a single vehicle as an IIHS Top Safety Pick. Kia at least has one, the Soul. The Forte hasn't been tested by the IIHS yet.

    How is the 2010 Corolla superior to the Forte in safety?
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    Well your right, Toyota missed the mark in 2010 for safety and I won't argue for the 2010 Corolla being more safe than the Forte. But we can debate is that Toyota had eleven of their models on the IIHS "list of safest vehicles" for 2009 while Kia had none! And we can also state that Kia made the Forbes Magazines"most dangerous vehicles" list based on IIHS testing in the small car category for 2009 with the Rio while Toyota was on the safest list with eleven of their models. Now, you ask me how, well I'm not an expert in safety but I believe it's based on crash test data. I also trust and believe the experts that do the testing ! ! ! At least Toyota recognizes they have a problem with the accelerator pedals and wants to remedy the situation before more loss of life occurs. So I ask you, would you rather have your vehicle on the "recall list" or the "most dangerous vehicles" list?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,769
    I wouldn't buy a Rio as I know its crash protection isn't very good. But it's Kia's oldest car model. And it's not the subject of this discussion, which is the Forte and how it compares to the Corolla. The Forte isn't on anyone's "most dangerous vehicles" list, is it? So if you are asking me if, based on safety, whether I'd rather have a Corolla or Forte, that's a tougher question.

    BTW, Kia did have a 2009 IIHS Top Safety Pick.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    Okay, your right, because it's not a Rio forum, even though it's unsafe, I shouldn't have mentioned it ! But anyway, let's talk just manufacturer and not models. I know your hang-up is recalls and not safety, but when was the last time Toyota had a car on the "unsafe" list?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,769
    Why do you continue to try to steer this discussion off-topic? Why not stick to comparing the Corolla and Forte? Besides, which "unsafe" lists are you referring to? The fact that lots of Corolla's are on the NHTSA's "list" for safety recalls could be construed as being on an "unsafe" list. Some people think the Corolla's steering is "unsafe". So it will be on their "unsafe" list. Yada yada.

    So let's compare the Corolla to the Forte, eh?
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    Backy, I'm generalizing about Toyota vs. Kia just as you did in your post of #33.

    I was refering to a "Dangerous Car List" of experts, not your own list or my own list. I quoted the "Most Dangerous Vehicles List of 2009" as drawn up by Forbes Magazine based on the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) crash test ratings. IIHS is an independent testing organization funded by vehicle insurance providers.

    Simply put, in message #33 you pointed out that "lately Toyota has more recalls than Kia", I presume "lately" means 2009 and 2010. My point is that in 2009, this same year, the IIHS also gave Toyota very high marks for safe vehicles on eleven of their models while Kia this same year had a vehicle judged very dangerous to drive by experts who base their judgements on testing by this same IIHS.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,748
    Am I in the wrong forum? Happened to stop right next to a new Forte at a light yesterday...same color as my Civic, and liked the looks of the car. Seemed to be the same size as the Civic, so assuming it's also the same size as the Corolla. All nice cars so along with the Mazda 3, Sentra & Elantra, there is much to choose from in this class.

    The Sandman :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,769
    Fine, if you want to play the game of stretching a two-car comparo to a brand comparo (see your post #32) then complain when someone replies to you... don't expect any more replies to off-topic posts, from me anyway.

    BTW, if you want to see Toyotas on the "most dangerous car" list, you only need look at their previous list. There's 3 current Toyota/Scion models on that list. Just one Kia--the Rio.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    There again in post #32 I was just responding to irritatrix's post who, like you, was also comparing Toyotas to Kias, not Fortes to Corollas. As I stated in post #32, I respect irritatrix's oppinion as I also do yours, but when a statement like your #33 post is made, I believe clarifications should be noted and discussed. As you, I also exhausted my comments I want to make on this issue
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,769
    ...now that it's no longer possible to buy a 2010 Corolla... not for awhile, in the US at least. :sick:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100126/ap_on_bi_ge/us_toyota_recall
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Regardless of the posts you cite, the discussion is indeed for comparing the Corolla to the Forte. Would appreciate it if you would keep that in mind.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    Oh I'm well aware of that ! I was just responding to the two other posters who wanted to generalize by manufacturer rather than model. See #31 and #33.
  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,030
    As has been said previously, this is a vehicle comparison discussion and we appreciate your comments staying to the topic. There are places where you can talk about the manufacturer only.

    Toyota on the mend for 2010?

    New one just created to address recent recalls.

    Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelertor Stuck Problem Recall

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  • I apologize for contributing to the off-topic nature of the thread. I was simply trying to rebut the earlier assertion that KIAs are crappy cars compared to Toyotas. I rented a Corolla recently on a trip and my passenger even complained about how tinny it was and how much road noise he heard. I say this as the former owner of a new 1975 Corolla wagon that was an awesome car - for its time. I just don't think the model has held up that well, and very few professional auto reviewers seem to think so, either. I am planning to look at a Forte soon because we need a small, fuel efficient sedan, and have been very impressed with the KIA Sedona that we own. I will also be checking out the Hyundai Elantras. Hyundai ranked above Honda and Toyota in 2009 in the JD Powers rankings for initial quality. I haven't driven one, so I have no idea if I'll like it, but from what I read, it's a decent car.
  • I test drove both vehicles for half a day and both drove very smoothly. I would have to say that both the interior and exterior design of the Kia Forte was better than the Corolla and it had more extras, bells and whistles, etc. The Kia has the more powerful 2 liter compared to the Corolla 1.8 but I have to drive an hour to work each day so I wanted the better gas mileage. The Kia Soul was ever worse on mileage than the Forte. I also worry about the resale value on the KIa and if this model will hold up in quality over the years like the Toyotas usually do. Supposedly my brand new Corolla does not have the recall problems and when I enter my VIN # on the Toyota site, it does not show any problems. I do think the Koreans are making better cars and the Japanese need to watch their backs. If it was just on style points alone, I would have bought the Forte but after doing a lot of research I picked the Corolla. After my wife traded in her older car on a 2006 Toyota Sienna with all the bells and whistles, the deal was done for sure since we got a great deal on both cars :)
  • jimpimmsjimpimms Pittsfield MAPosts: 81
    edited September 2010
    I think you may have been confused about the fuel economy of the Forte vs. Corolla. Despite the difference in engine size, power, and torque, the two cars have virtually identical mileage figures: Corolla 1.8L LE 26/34, Forte 2.0L EX 25/34, Forte 2.0L EX with Fuel Economy Pkg. 27/36. And the Forte has 24 more hp and 16 lb.-ft. more torque (22 hp and 10 lb.-ft. in SULEV form). I know from my own experience with a Forte EX that the highway mileage is easily attainable, even at 70-75 mph. All 2011 Fortes, with either 6-speed manual or automatic transmissions, should be able to match or better the figures for the 2010 Fuel Economy Pkg. model.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    You made an excellent decission, good luck with the new Corolla. I love my 2009 XLE. No problems whatsoever to date. Of course I still have a 2001 Corolla I bought brand new and have never had a problem with that either.
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