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2010 Toyota Corolla vs 2010 Kia Forte

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  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    What is the service interval schedule on the Forte? At what mileages does the owners manual say you need to take the car in for regular scheduled maintenance?
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    as I don't know whether you are located in the US or Canada, but for the Canadian market their suggested service interval is every 8,000 km or 4 months. That's also the same for the Canadian Corolla with 8,000 km or 6 months.

    Checked on the US Toyota site and its every 5,000 miles or six months. Checked on the KGIS site (KIA Global Information System) excellent site, tells you everything you want to know about any KIA. They suggest every 7,500 miles or six months.

    Big differences in warranty between the two vehicles.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I have a feeling there is a "severe service" schedule for the Forte that will in effect cut the service interval (esp. for oil changes) in half, e.g. oil changes every 3000-3750 miles. With "severe service" including a number of normal conditions such as driving in cold weather or mostly for short distances. I don't know if Toyota has a similar schedule, but many manufacturers do that.

    I follow the severe service schedule on my Elantra. But then, my dealer provides free oil changes for life (they are a Kia dealer also), even at the severe service interval, so no worries there. :)
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Severe is severe and means it is a very significant portion or majority of your driving. Stopping at a few red lights on an average commute doesn't qualify as severe.
    Phoenix summers, Minneapolis winters, towing, lots of super short trips where the car never fully warms up, and driving on dirt roads frequently are examples. I never use the severe schedule because I drive in normal conditions with more highway than city driving.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    I rented a Corolla today and stopped at a Kia dealer and sat in an unlocked Forte EX.
    I thought the Forte interior materials mostly seemed a bit thicker, softer and more substantial quality, but despite this I still preferred the interior of the Corolla because it just looked more modern and had a better-looking design.
    Exterior of both were comparable with the Forte was a bit nicer looking outside, but not enough to be important since I think the Corolla looks OK.
    After sitting inside, I didn't have the desire to drive the Forte, so I left before a salesman showed up.
    The main advantages of the Forte besides lower purchase price are the much longer standard factory warranty 5/60K bumper to bumper and 10/100K powertrain warranty, rear disc brakes, more power, more room and a USB/iPod port that the Corolla lacks. Adding a somewhat comparable extended warranty plus iPod adapter would add over a thousand dollars more to the already more expensive Corolla.
    Since I didn't like the Forte interior, I'm only considering the Corolla out of these two now. I liked the way the Corolla drove except that the Corolla's front seat room was borderline too small, so I'm not sure I will go ahead with a purchase or try to find something else that's only slightly larger, but was comparable fuel economy (Camry is way too big.)
    The Corolla had an annoying squeak/buzz in the headliner above the drivers door next to my ear (these types or squeaking and rattling interior noises are apparently very common in the current Corolla).
    Another annoyance was that the drivers side door armrest isn't usable as a place to rest your elbow because it's way too far away from the seat.

    Advantages of Corolla XLE over Forte EX will be better resale value, available JBL stereo (more wattage and has RDS Forte lacks), outside temperature gauge, automatic on and off headlights (Forte is auto off only) and available automatic temperature control A/C.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    The Elantra is larger (inside) than the Corolla, costs less than the XLE you are looking at, has the same warranty as the Forte, and has close to the same fuel economy as the Corolla. You'd need the SE to get ESC of course. Have you considered the Elantra? It's also CR's top choice in small cars right now. The 2010 model was tweaked a bit and IMO the interior is nicer looking than the '09, and I think classier than the Forte's interior (and the Corolla's for that matter).
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    I don't think Hyundais have the exact same 100K powertrain warranty as a Kia, but it's still good at very 5/60 bumper to bumper.
    I know the Elantra is going to be completely redesigned for the 2011 year and I hate buying cars that are going to restyled in a year or less.
    The new 2011 Sonata will be out in a month and gets EPA ratings 23 city, 35 mpg highway, so not much of a mpg penalty for the large size. Best pricing won't be available until its been out for several months though.
    I may think about an Elantra SE despite the upcoming redesign. I know the Elantra is now rated as one of the most reliable new cars over the last 3 years.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I don't think Hyundais have the exact same 100K powertrain warranty as a Kia...

    Actually, Hyundai had it first, then Kia got it due to their relationship with Hyundai.

    I would be shocked if the new Elantra came out before the 2012 MY, given the current design debuted in late 2006, as a 2007 MY, only a bit more than 3 years ago.
  • Uh, I have owned 3 Toyotas and now own a Kia (not a Forte, though I'm considering one) and there is no way I'd ever buy another Toyota. They've don't make the car they used to when I first bought one in 1975, 1986, or 1993. And neither does KIA - they are starting to leave the Japanese companies in the dust - for the MOST part - not ALL models, but you are mistaken if you think they make crappy cars.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    Oh no, I respect your oppinion. I just don't think you can even mention Kia in the same league as the Toyota. The Toyota being steps above the Kia. But, that's just anothers oppinion.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Toyota definitely leads Kia in one area lately: recalls.
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    Not so ! ! ! Consumer reports has rated that Toyota vehicles have been on the safest car list seven times out of all classes of vehicles for the year of 2009. Kia on the other hand has made the list only two times. Who's leading in that field ? ? ? Backy you usually don't miss things like that, how did that slip by you ? ? ?
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    maybe so, but there is some serious flaws happening, that did not happen in the past - 4.2 million vehicles recalled last fall and 2.3 more just a couple of days ago. The largest ever in North America!

    Also check out this journalist comments from his visit to the Detroit Auto Show
    http://www.autoextremist.com/

    part of the comments "Now in the midst of a relentless series of recalls, that ol’ Toyota quality magic has been blown to smithereens, and their reputation is in tatters. And amazingly enough consumers have quickly gotten the message that there are other automakers out there delivering the kind of quality numbers that used to be exclusively associated with Toyota."

    Consumer reports reliability is spread over time, so it will be interested to see the results in the next year or two. All I know is that my KIA is very reliable.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    You are equating recalls with overall safety. I was talking about recalls. How did that slip by YOU?

    Face it, Toyota quality has slipped big time from its heyday in the '80s and '90s. When you have professional reviewers like C/D saying that the interior fit/finish of a Kia Optima is better than that of the Camry, or when Consumer Reports ranks a Kia ahead of the Camry, that should be a wake-up call for Toyota and those who think Toyota is far ahead of the likes of Kia.

    Although not perfect, at least Kia seems capable of designing cars that accelerate only when you want them to.
  • ivtec1ivtec1 Posts: 29
    I think generally toyota corolla and Honda civic (i own one) are good cars. But i don't think they are as good as before. Hyundai and Mazda are making better cars (check 2010Mazda 3). Just check out all the complaints about civic & corolla http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/complaints/ :sick:

    In summary, the corollas have been hit with steering complaints and the civic (2006-2007) models hit with cracked engine blocks yikes
  • I never really believed Consumer Reports would report like backy mentioned here.

    When you have professional reviewers like C/D saying that the interior fit/finish of a Kia Optima is better than that of the Camry, or when Consumer Reports ranks a Kia ahead of the Camry, that should be a wake-up call for Toyota and those who think Toyota is far ahead of the likes of Kia.

    I would really think twice about even considering buying a Toyota at this point in time. OTOH-both Kia and Hyundai are building safe and sane rigs that are just gorgeous to gaze upon. But so is Mitsubishi, and I know, I digress. But IMHO Toyota is slipping large-time right now.

    Their problems are beyond just being a "wake-up call" in my opinion.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    Now come on ! ! ! You stated "Toyota leads Kia in one catagory", my point is to correct you, Toyota leads Kia in at least two catagories, one being SAFETY !
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I think it's hard to justify a claim of Toyota leading ANYONE in safety with millions of its cars, including the 2010 Corolla, recalled for a safety-related defect. Toyota can't even claim a single vehicle as an IIHS Top Safety Pick. Kia at least has one, the Soul. The Forte hasn't been tested by the IIHS yet.

    How is the 2010 Corolla superior to the Forte in safety?
  • terceltomterceltom Posts: 1,017
    Well your right, Toyota missed the mark in 2010 for safety and I won't argue for the 2010 Corolla being more safe than the Forte. But we can debate is that Toyota had eleven of their models on the IIHS "list of safest vehicles" for 2009 while Kia had none! And we can also state that Kia made the Forbes Magazines"most dangerous vehicles" list based on IIHS testing in the small car category for 2009 with the Rio while Toyota was on the safest list with eleven of their models. Now, you ask me how, well I'm not an expert in safety but I believe it's based on crash test data. I also trust and believe the experts that do the testing ! ! ! At least Toyota recognizes they have a problem with the accelerator pedals and wants to remedy the situation before more loss of life occurs. So I ask you, would you rather have your vehicle on the "recall list" or the "most dangerous vehicles" list?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I wouldn't buy a Rio as I know its crash protection isn't very good. But it's Kia's oldest car model. And it's not the subject of this discussion, which is the Forte and how it compares to the Corolla. The Forte isn't on anyone's "most dangerous vehicles" list, is it? So if you are asking me if, based on safety, whether I'd rather have a Corolla or Forte, that's a tougher question.

    BTW, Kia did have a 2009 IIHS Top Safety Pick.
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