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Subaru Impreza Outback Sport & TS

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  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    Pipercub: You can also go to the Outback Sport Club at Yahoo. To go Yahoo.com, click on clubs, then type in "Outback Sport". Alot of folks there should have the type of OBS you bought.

    Action303: The only time you hear it is on acceleration. Gentle acceleration, not much sound, HARD acceleration, it sounds cool, like a "whaaaAAAAAAAA". Not obnoxious like we have heard the Rallispec one is. At idle, you don't even hear it. I would not hesitate to recommend one.
  • baliflybalifly Posts: 11
    Hi,
    I am in the market for either a 2002 Legacy L. wagon or a Impreza OBS, 5 speed manual. There are so may questions, is there a FAQ area that I could go to?

    Regards,
    Balifly
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,725
    The easiest thing to do is just start asking questions. Fire away...

    Bob
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    I would recommend two sites:

    For info on the Legacy, go to i-club.com, they have a special Legacy forum there. My son just bought a 2000 Legacy L and loves it. A little roomier probably for passengers, width wise, maybe, but less headroom in the back, I think, than the OBS.

    For info on the Outback Sport you can also read up here: go to Yahoo.com, click on clubs, and then type in "Outback Sport". Lot of Outback Sport fans there, that club is ONLY Outback Sports.

    Between these two sites, you should be able to read up a LOT and decide.

    My younger son says the Legacy has a stiff suspension and the OBS has a long-travelling suspension. You can go to the Subaru website also and see specs for both cars there. Good luck!
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    You are either:

    #1 racing around
    #2 up to no good, or
    #3 BOTH

    which is it???
  • baliflybalifly Posts: 11
    Thanks for the heads up on the web sites!

    Much to learn before deciding on the next mobile.

    Here is the story, my wife and I live and work in Vancouver, B. C. Canada. We have a three year old Siberian Husky, and a vintage but well kept 1986 Honda Accord Hatchback. My wife takes Tara, our dog out daily to an off leash park on the banks of the Fraser River. In the mean time I need to take my parents who lives a couple of blocks away to do shopping, doctor appointments etc.

    Being in prime fishing country, a fish mobile is
    invaluable. Stuffs like my Zodiac, small outboard motor, fishing rods, life jackets, waders used to be careful fitted in the hatch back with back seats folded down. The dog does not take up much room, just a quarter of the back space :))

    The roof rack of the OBS or Legacy wagon should be able to take the Zodiac (50 pounds plus) ?
    What is the gas consumption of the Legacy wagon versus the OBS ?

    The weather in early fall and late spring can be unpredictable, the stock tire are all season ?
    How much snow can they handle ?

    Being AWD, there should be four snow tires for proper traction, correct ?
    The Legacy has the same tire P205/55 I 16 all season same as the OBS , correct ?
    IF so, how much for a set of four basic rims,
    and how much for a set of four basic winter tires ?

    Vancouver B.. weather is very similar to Seattle, Washington. Have you found it prudent to have winter tires versus all season tires where you live ?

    When there is heavy snow in town; the Honda has snow tires and will be use. I worry about the other cars smashing into me more than anything else!

    Having read ALOT of the past posting, the question of rear sway bar interests me. What is the stock sway bar size ? Should I have 18mm or 20 mm installed at purchase time?

    I like a peppy car for daily drive, and not lug around a lot of metal for the odd occasion!
    Leaning towards the OBS for now :))

    My other favorite car was 1972 Rover 3500S with V8 (225 cubic inch ) engine, three functional cold air hood scoops with De Dion rear suspension.
    It also had outside temperature warning, adjustable time windshield wipers! Bad, bad Lucas
    electrics and worse leak power front out board and rear in board disk brakes.

    Time to leap into the present, 2002 is it :))

    Ladies and gentlemen clue me in please!

    Regards,
    Balifly
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,725
    The roof rack of the OBS or Legacy wagon should be able to take the Zodiac (50 pounds plus) ?

    The roof rack of both the OBS and Legacy/Outback are rated at 100 lb. The Forester's roof rack is rated at 150 lb.

    What is the gas consumption of the Legacy wagon versus the OBS ?

    Mid-20s. They both ave the same engine, but because the OBS is smaller/lighter, it should do slightly better than the larger/heavier Legacy/Outback
     
    The weather in early fall and late spring can be unpredictable, the stock tire are all season ?

    Yes.

    How much snow can they handle ?

    They do fine in the snow. However, a dedicated winter tire is best for deep snow.

    Being AWD, there should be four snow tires for proper traction, correct ?

    Yes. Whatever type of tire you use, you want the same on all four corners.

    The Legacy has the same tire P205/55 I 16 all season same as the OBS , correct ?

    Yes.

    IF so, how much for a set of four basic rims,
    and how much for a set of four basic winter tires ?

    I don't know. Check with your tire/wheel suppliers.

    Vancouver B.. weather is very similar to Seattle, Washington. Have you found it prudent to have winter tires versus all season tires where you live ?

    I don't live in that area. However folks who live in in wintery areas have often purchased winters tires as added insurance.

    Having read ALOT of the past posting, the question of rear sway bar interests me. What is the stock sway bar size ? Should I have 18mm or 20 mm installed at purchase time?

    I don't think that's something you need to worry about.

    One final comment: I would recommend, based on what you've posted, the Legacy Outback or Forester over the regular Legacy or OBS. Why? Bigger, beefier tires, and raised HD suspension.

    Bob
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    go to i-club.com. There is a seperate forum for fans of Subarus in Canada, and one for the Vancouver area. Also there are separate Legacy and Forester forums, along with a general forum for any questions not specific to any particular thing. There you would likely find someone in your region with alot of local advice.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,725
    A few other items to consider, and that favor the Forester:

    • It's the only Subaru that comes with a full-size spare tire.

    • It has slightly better angles of approach and departure, and ground clearance than other Subarus.

    • It's a bit roomier than than the OBS, yet is still very nimble and fun to drive.

    Also, do you do any towing?

    If so, keep in mind that if your trailer doesn't have trailer brakes, Subarus are only rated to to tow 1000 lb. If your trailer does have brakes, it can tow 2000 lb. Please also note that 2001 and earlier Imprezas are rated less for both braked and unbraked trailers.

    Bob
  • baliflybalifly Posts: 11
    Thanks for the rapid responses !
    The I-club link has given me a lot of reading material. As to the Forester and Outback wagon option, they are somewhat out of my present financial range :((

    I am off to do some fishing and camping for two weeks starting the 6 of June. One of my fishing gal-pal will be driving up to meet us at a interior lake. She is from Seattle and has the 1991 OBS, so we will be able to do some actual test driving :))

    Are the Legacy and OBS made in North America or else where ?

    Regards,
    Balifly
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,725
    The base Forester L is not that much more expensive than an OBS or a Legacy L. Check out the following site. They're located in Maryland, but they list all their models and bottom-line prices. Even though you are in Canada, and the prices are different, it should give you a pretty good idea as to how models compare from a pricing standpoint.

    http://www.fitzgeraldautomall.com/

    The Legacys and Outbacks are made in the USA. All Imprezas and Foresters are made in Japan.

    Bob
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    Balifly...

    Keep in mind when you drive the 1991 OBS that the engine was not as powerful as now. It may have been only 2.0 liter, but can't have been more than 2.2, as the 2000 OBS I had was 2.2 liter and 142 hp, whereas the 2002 is 2.5 liter and 165 hp. You should go to a dealer and just test drive to see what's there. I wondered too about that pricing on the Forester. I didn't think it was much more expensive than the OBS, but I don't know prices in Canada and know some folks up there are getting the TS wagon instead of the OBS because of cost! Do a search and see if Subaru of Canada has a website. They should! I know Subaru of America does.
  • baliflybalifly Posts: 11
    Subaru Canada www.subaru.ca is quite comprehensive. The various lines and model pricing are structured on a step ladder type pricing scale. The middle model of the lowest line is at a par with the base model of the next line up !!

    The only 2002 model is the Impreza line.
    All other lines are 2001 pricing structure.

    Heard some where "Man's got to know his limitation" John Waynn or was it Clint Eastwood ?

    Next question, what is the 0 to 60 mph for the Legacy verses OBS in 5 speed ?

    You guys and gals are good, very good!!!
    Don't try to lead me astray, OK :))

    If anyone of you want to catch large Kamloops trouts, just let me know :))

    Regards,
    Balifly
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    I don't know the 0-60 numbers, but the OBS is lighter than the Legacy. 2,860 for the OBS vs. 3,345 for the '01 Legacy L wagon according to Edmunds. The 02 Legacy's will probably be out in the fall with some minor cosmetic changes.

    Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The new OBS is heavier than that. I thought it was around 3100 lbs.

    Prices in Canada differ, but at Fitz the Forester starts at $19,005 freight included. The OBS starts at $17,796, so it's kind of close, though it does have sweet 16" alloys.

    -juice
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    balifly: Don't know 0-60 times. My 2000 OBS was manual, with only 142 hp and I could launch from
    a stop faster than most cars. With the AWD, you can take off fast, but other cars get you after you shift out of 3rd. The 2002 OBS is 165, so you can only guess the launch is even faster.

    Curb weight of the 2002 OBS from my book is 3,030 for manual and 3,105 for automatic. Of course, if you were to get the new 6-cyl Outback it's probably going to have better 0-60 times than anything.

    Again, I would suggest you go to i-club, get on the Legacy forum and ask 0-60 times there. Have you been to i-club.com yet? Also you need to go to Yahoo clubs, and look for "Outback Sport" after you click on clubs. Now, that's just for info on the OBS, but they are very knowledgable, too.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Actually, the WRXs have far better 0-60 than the H6 models do. The H6s have very tall gearing, which is what allows the 20/27 mpg EPA ratings. But it also makes it a good 3 seconds slower to 60mph.

    -juice
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    I thought that was too light. Edmunds is way under.
    Dennis
  • chill105chill105 Posts: 13
    I'm really so happy I got this car. I love almost everything about it. At first I wasn't too great with the stick, but I'm really getting the hang of it now. I drove it about 2 hours on the highway on my way to the Poconos, and had a chance to really test it on some windy/hilly/bumpy mountain roads as well. The car is very easy to handle, and I noticed it has an excellent turning radius. It seems like it just hugs the road- I feel very secure on turns. The ride is very smooth and quiet, especially on the highway, and the car's quite quick. Although I don't know my specific gas mileage, I can tell you that I didn't even use half a tank on a two hour drive (mostly highway). The interior is very convenient and well thought out, and the controls are very easy to operate. The fog lights are nice (we had a very foggy night on Sunday), and I really like the loudness of the horn (it's pretty obnoxious). I was surprised how good the sound system was, even though I haven't had the premium sound upgrade installed yet (I have to bring in the car for them to do it). It has plenty of cargo space, and the leg room is fine. The only negative remarks I have are as follows:

    -The center sun visor is probably one of the stupidest features I've ever seen in any car. What is it for? That one split-second every year when the sun is in that exact little spot between the mirror and the roof? Get sunglasses. I would have rather them put in a passenger side vanity mirror. (I worked out something nice for that though- I got a 12 disc cd holder from case-logic that fits over the visor. It has a little mesh see through pocket and I stuck a little mirror in there. The holder covers the writing, and it's a convenient spot to hold my cd's. It looks pretty slick).

    -While reading the manual, I noticed it said "make sure the antenna is fully extended for best radio reception." I thought "shouldn't it automatically extend?" I looked and it turns out you have to pull it up by hand. It's no big deal, and I like the way the antenna looks, but it was just kind of strange.

    Overall, I really am in love with this car (and so are my parents- they love driving it!) I'm really happy I got it and would recommend it to anyone. Feel free to ask me any questions, I'll be happy to let you know.
  • baliflybalifly Posts: 11
    Thanks for sharing you first drive impression.
    I am looking forward to more reports, maybe you will be too busy. Spending more time on the road and having a great summer with your friends:))

    Celeste, I have been to the I-club and to Yahoo OutBack club also. Will spent some time to digest all that information first. Quite a few people enjoy adding on "stuffs" themselves Being a butter finger type, (I need special tool just to tie a knot on my fishing line. ) I think I will leave it to the proffesionals.

    Regards,
    Balifly
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    Balifly: If you look back thru these messages about 4 weeks or so, I posted a list of improvements they made to the 2002 over the 2000 model. It's pretty enlightening. There is a theory to avoid cars in the first year of redesign but I really feel they worked out alot of kinks to improve a model they want to be around for awhile. Anyway, it's not like the engine was redesigned. It's the same that was in the Rally Sport for so long!
  • baliflybalifly Posts: 11
    Hi Celeste,

    Saw your post about the improvements, my 1986 Honda Accord Hatchback was the first year model.
    Aside from the usual wear and tear, it has been
    a regular work horse.

    My wife has been very impressed with the OBS. She walked by a Subaru dealership after our Honda's alternator gave up ! She saw the OBS in her moment of despair. And now she wants it or the Outback station wagon with the leather seats (her friend has one) but it is way out of our range:((

    When the cold and wet is at its worst in January, bunch of us Canucks are coming your way for some fishing and relaxing. Maybe I will bring the vehicle down for a road trip. What it will be is still up in the air so far :))

    Regards,
    Balifly
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    The Outback is awesome. I don't know about leather seats, though. You can't get them wet and have to baby them alot more than plain old fabric or vinyl. My son got to test drive the 6-cyl Outback and was quite impressed, although that one's way over our heads, too. For the money you really can't go wrong with the Outback Sport.

    Yeah, alot of people down here fish. Some for the real thing, some for bottle bass, if you get my drift. Anyway, good luck on your quest for the right Subie!
  • sparklysparkly Posts: 1
    It'll be 3 years in August that I've had my Outback Sport and my affection for the car has grown over time. I really like its size -- it's roomy on the inside, accommodates extreme human height differences (I'm the solo driver of the car and I'm 4'10" tall and I've had a passenger who's almost 2 feet taller than me, 6'8" ride comfortably with good headroom in my Outback Sport. How many cars can do this?) and it's small enough to park almost anywhere without too much trouble. It's also a very sturdy car. I had an accident in it last summer; I did a solo spin-out on the freeway and ended up on the dirt embankment on the side of the freeway while trying to avoid some debris that was in my lane. I was jostled around a bit, but did not suffer any back or neck injuries and I think this was due to the good seat design along with seatbelt use that kept me contained. The car did suffer some body damage and I was told by the body shop that did the repair work that it's one of the better-built cars around.

    I've also driven the car over long distances and have found it to be very comfortable with good back support and it handles well and is very stable on all kinds of roads and in wind and rain.

    It also has great cargo room. I've been able to haul all kinds of stuff in the back -- it's like having a small truck.

    By the way, all of my family members (parents & siblings) own Subarus. It wasn't planned, it just kind of happened.

    Yes, I would buy one again.
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  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    Sparkly:

    It seems true in alot of cases that when one family member buys a Subaru, others follow right along. We bought our first Subaru last year, and our son bought his first Subaru this year. Our youngest son isn't quite old enough for a car, but vows his first car will be a Subaru!
  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    w/smaller motor. Even though the new OB Sport is a bit heavier, the 0-60 times should be a bit faster than the 01/00' models listed in post #687 due to the the 2.5 liter motor used now (165hp).

    Stephen
  • piyapiya Posts: 5
    Hi all,
    This is my first posting on this group. My knowledge of Subarus is still limited although I like what little I've come to know.

    I want to go in for a new manual Outback Sport, but the dealers here in the Detroit area seem to be out of it. They have offered me a TS Sport Wagon instead. Could anyone educate me as to the differences between these two? Would I be going in for less of a car if I settled for the TS?

    I think the OBS was the only Impreza which came with ABS for earlier models, but they said the new '02 TS Sport wagons models come with ABS too.

    Thanks in advance!
  • leomortleomort Posts: 451
    If it isn't too much trouble. I'm interest to see the cargo space with rear seats up and down. Thanks.

    Leo
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