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Subaru Impreza Outback Sport & TS

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  • Sounds good!...I have the tweeter kit in mine..doesn't make a big difference in sound but I think it is noticeable. The 19.5k includes the leather seats and side panels too?....If so go for it!
  • Does the outback sport have side airbags?
  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    No, only in the WRX sedan and wagon.

    Stephen
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You know, I lost my subscription a while back, maybe Ramon did too? Anyone have his e-mail to ask him?

    -juice
  • I finally test drove the Mazda P5 and Subaru OBS, both auto. I now drive a 2.5 auto LeBaron covertible and a Saturn SL2. Both cars have good pickup. The 91 Saturn has very strong pickup.

    I was somewhat disappointed with the P5. Apparently it's mostly show and no go. Not enough passing power on the highway. The steering wheel was too small for my liking. The steering was too tight for me as well. Nice otherwise.

    Next stop, Pontiac in Wantagh, NY. "You need an appointment for a test drive with the Vibe" Guess where they can go jump into. I guess it doesn't matter anyway because the engine is probably too weak, the steering wheel is too close to the dash (I am not going to drive with my arms stretched out) and last but not least, the mirrors do not fold (I'm tired of bumping into my mirrors in the garage or having them broken off). And I could do without the hoaky dash. Otherwise I really like the Vibe with it's great plastic covered cargo area and it's unpainted bumpers that will not scratch.

    Last stop.. Subaru in Hicksville. OBS, auto. This car has a real engine. There is a little lull in acceleration, but better than the Mazda. The car "feels" sturdier as well. The steering wheel was the right size, and steering felt right and the car rode nicely. The seat material which I previously thought ugly maybe not so bad after all. I like this car the most even though I wish MPG was better and no side airbags.

    I will wait till June to see if they will offer side airbags and to see the new Forester as well. I also noticed on the Japan website that the Impreza has a sunroof (maybe in 2003?)!

    Also, why don't they offer reasonable financing for this car... don't they want me to buy it?
  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    "Also, why don't they offer reasonable financing for this car... don't they want me to buy it?"

    How about trying your own bank or credit union??
    Just a curious thought... :-)

    Stephen
  • limpyboylimpyboy Posts: 26
    I wouldn't say the Protege5 has no power. It has very good power from 0 to 30 or 40 m.p.h. There's no question it runs out of fire after that, but it seemed to be workable for highway situations when I test drove mine along bustling I-75.

    I''m weighing the P5 and Outback Sport also. My bottom line: I like the performance of the Subaru and the interior of the Mazda.

    I'm leaning toward P5 because for me, the interior of the Outback Sport is pretty awful. Not the seats or materials, but the cupholder situation is ridiculous, the steering wheel has a rail-thin and hard feel to it (it's also too big) and to top it all off the stock stereo is absolutely awful. I know you can replace as soon as you buy, but if I get the Mazda I won't even have to.

    One bonus of Outback though: For most insurers they have lower rates, even though the engine is more powerful.
  • brekkebrekke Posts: 304
    I agree the Impreza steering wheel is too big, but for $35 you can add a nice leather steering wheel cover which'll make it feel softer and thicker. I'm sure there are workarounds for the cupholders as well. No way would I sacrifice the AWD for that stuff.
  • so.... a bank or credit union is going to offer reasonable new car loan rates? They're usually at least 8%. Subaru is offering low financing on all cars but Impreza.

    And if a car runs out of fire after 40 mph... what good are the low profile tires, ground effects... etc? Why should I spend $18,000 on a car that lacks power when I already have a paid- for car (SL2) that gets 35 mpg and has better pick-up? I want something as good as or better than what I have.
  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    7%. I've seen many new car deals at 6.9, 5.9, 4.9 and 3.9%. Banks don't normally go that low. Search and ye shall find. :-) Besides, if you already have financing before you go to the dealer then your in a much stronger bargaining position.

    Stephen
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Try a different dealer. Most dealers offer tons of financing.

    -mike
  • limpyboylimpyboy Posts: 26
    I locked in last week on a 48-month loan at 5.5 percent with my credit union!!

    I joined about seven months ago because my big bank was eating me alive with fees and I never got the feeling they care about my account like I do with the CU.

    But still, the 2.9 and 3.9 offers by some companies is great if you can qualify.

    BTW, grrrrrrrr. Now y'all have me rethinking my Protege5 decision.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    All show, no go. I like the looks of it, but:

    1) Wrong Wheel Drive
    2) Needs more OOOmph.

    -mike
  • I have a 2001 Outback Limited Wagon. Ever since I got the car (about 10 months), I have felt that it has unacceptably high wind noise from the driver's side window (in the vicinity of the sideview mirror). The dealer has tried to work on it (3 times), but the noise either was not fixed, or came back after a short time. We don't notice this on the passenger side at all. Has anyone else had this problem? Been able to correct it. I will be meeting with the Subaru rep on Wednesday, so any input would be appreciated.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Folding the mirror in? A lot of cars suffer from drivers side wind noise from the mirror due to it being at a different angle than the passenger one.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I put a nice leather covering on my Forester's steering wheel. It's thick and looks great. I got it at a Toyota dealer, of all places, when I bought my last car, in 1991. Still looks brand new!

    My Credit Union offers 6.9% up to 5 years. Check yours out.

    I like the P5 and the OBS. The P5 is styled nicely and is fun, but I wished for more power (MP3 has 140hp, P5 has just 130hp) and AWD. At least there isn't much torque steer.

    -juice
  • brekkebrekke Posts: 304
    of course it's a hard decision! But I see the OBS has an advantage over every other car in its class: either its AWD (p5), or its HP/Torque (Matrix), or its handling (mini-SUVs). Of course there are disadvantages, the exterior/interior is uninspiring and the p5 is prettier and has 4 discs, but the OBS best met what I wanted. Also remember everyone on this board is biased. I doubt anyone on the P5 board would have bought an OBS.

    The test drive was a waste of time for me. When I brought my car home it took me a while to get used to it because it felt so different from everything else I had driven (old cars). Now it's such a pleasure.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Actually, some P5 buyers cross-shopped the OBS, too. Usually it's close and they are almost looking for a tie-breaking reason to get one or the other.

    Subaru's warranty is longer and it has AWD and more power. The P5 is cuter and has rear disc brakes. Pick your preference.

    -juice
  • rblelandrbleland Posts: 312
    I had the same difficult decision 5 weeks ago but got the Subie for the AWD, the power/torque and the handling. The P5 is arguably prettier. I felt the P5 felt "lighter" at speeds over 100 kms (62 mph)and not as connected to the road surface. P5 slightly cheaper also but Subie won and I am very pleased with it so far. If your area has difficult weather (snow, ice, sleet, etc), the Subie AWD is a no-brainer. Good luck!
  • brekkebrekke Posts: 304
    doesn't AWD help in the rain, too?
  • rblelandrbleland Posts: 312
    Rain is included in the "etc" - didn't you know that?
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    When I looked at one a the mall it seemed smaller inside than the OBS and the interior seemed kinda cheap to me. So did the body.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    AWD helps all the time, even in the dry it reduces the amount of understeer, and eliminates torque steer completely. It also puts less of a burden on the driving wheels, since the job is being divided by four, not two.

    Note that in the BTCC AWD was banned for being an unfair advantage - on dry pavement!

    -juice
  • mod7mod7 Posts: 13
    I have my 2002 OBS for 6 months and have run into my first technical problem.
    A few nights ago I was driving along and the Gas Gauge suddenly read empty and the low gas warning light went on even though I know that I had plenty of gas.

    After a little while the gas gauge corrected itself and read 3/4 full. This morning I turned on the car and once again the gas gauge reads empty and the warning light was on but this time the
    CHECK ENGINE light was on also. Once again I know I have gas in the car.

    I called my dealer and he said he has heard others customers talking about this same problem and that something is too sensitive on my car.

    I always make sure my gas cap is on tight--I even make sure it clicks twice when I close it.

    They said I could continue to drive the car with the CHECK ENGINE light on ( I need the car for work). They said I should bring it in on Tuesday and they will check it out.

    Has anyone else experienced this problem? Thanks MOD7
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    My Subaru dealer was selling a P5. I asked them what the heck a Mazda was doing out there (other than the used Miata's that my dealer sells every spring/summer).
    They said that a Mazda dealer traded it in for a demo WRX to sell as a used car. :-)

    -Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    As long as the CEL is not blinking, keep driving it until you can make an appointment that fits your schedule. It's probably a bad sender or something near the fuel tank (which is under the rear seat, IIRC).

    Meanwhile, I suggest you use the trip odometer to measure miles between fill ups. You can probably go 300 miles without running out of gas.

    Keep us posted.

    -juice
  • eliebe98eliebe98 Posts: 2
    I'm considering buying these cars. I love the 5 speed WRX but my wife can only drive an automatic. Is the WRX in automatic worth the extra money, or should I just get the Outback Sport?
  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    and decide. The WRX is all about the drive regardless of the transmission choice. I personally feel the WRX is worth the extra over the OBS. Nothing against the OBS and more about the WRX...it's all that and a bag of chips! :-)

    Stephen
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,726
    Yes, the WRX is about the "drive," but the OBS is about "value and utility."

    If you're not a performance nut, IMO, the OBS is the better choice. It's much cheaper (to buy and insure), and you get more "functional" items as standard (roof rack cross rails, rear bumper step pad, rear cargo tray, ambient temp gauge). Also, the OBS engine is more "load-friendly" because of its more linear powerband. Finally, it also runs on regular gas.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    IMO the torquey, flexible 2.5l engine is better suited to an automatic. If you said manual I would reverse my preference.

    -juice
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