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Subaru Impreza Outback Sport & TS

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Have no idea why you quoted that for me, but ok.

    -mike
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I like the bug eyes now. But I have seen a lot of negative commentary on them in the press. You would think Subaru had produced Aztek Jr. with this car, when in fact I think it looks quite distinctive, and I like the lines.

    Thanks celeste, I would not go to the trouble and expense of trading out the drums for discs, it is just that I have always wished for a stronger-feeling set of brakes on my OBS - since they were new, I have had to press the pedal fairly hard to get a strong response from the brakes, although they were always very good when I really needed them. So it would have been nice to see them go to the rear discs on the new OBS, since most of the other imprezas have them.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • linsavylinsavy Posts: 13
    The least expensive path to better braking on your pre 2002 OBS is to swap the front caliper and rotors for those on an RS. You can pick up used one on i-club for less than $200 including pads.
    They bolt right up, bleed the brakes and you are away.
    You trade up to 2 pot calipers instead on 1 pot which gives the pad a better grip on the rotor. The rotors and pads are bigger so you get more swept area that increase braking force and dissipates heat better.
    An excellent low-cost brake upgrade.
    The next mod is to change the pads for something higher performance.
    Rear discs are more of sporty marketing thing on small cars that don't do towing or track racing. Drums are quite effective in the rear and are much lower maintenance. They definitely don't look as cool though. My 2 cents.
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    Paisan: I only mentioned about the poly bushings because of your comment about using them.

    Linsavy: Sounds like good advice. They have a green pad that is dustless and I hear they're pretty good. Thinking of trying those when mine give out. Heard of em'?
  • heatherbeanheatherbean Posts: 82
    I was looking through www.nhtsa.dot.gov at the Problem and Issues section for Impreza's. I found under customer complaints something shocking and very disturbing! Here is a summary of over 20 issues on bad brakes:
    "THE BRAKING SYSTEM OFTEN FAILS WHEN THE BRAKES ARE APPLIED WHILE TRAVELLING OVER A ROUGH OR BUMPY SURFACE, REGARDLESS OF SPEED (I HAVE HAD IT OCCUR SEVERAL TIMES, FROM 5 TO 35 MPH). IN THESE CASES THE ABS IS WRONGFULLY TRIGGERED UNDER MILD BRAKING, THEN THE VAST MAJORITY OF BRAKING POWER IS LOST AND THE CAR BARELY STOPS AT ALL. THIS BRAKING IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN FEEL AND PERFORMANCE FROM THE ABS FUNCTIONING PROPERLY ( I.E. VERY HARD BRAKING ON A SMOOTH SURFACE. THE BRAKES WORK FINE IN THESE CASES.). THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM THAT I AM HEARING ABOUT FROM OTHER 2002 IMPREZA/WRX OWNERS."

    Have any of you had this problem? Please reply.
    Thanks, Heather
  • linsavy2linsavy2 Posts: 3
    Green pads? Do you mean the EBC green stuff? I have read some horror stories on them about eating rotors for breakfast. I would stay away.
    Porterfields are near the top in quality but cost alot. Carbontech and Mintex make some good stuff.
    Heather, I have heard of the ABS issue before. "often" is a relative term. The key is "bumpy" roads. If you brake hard on a washboard gravel road. ANY ABS system is going to have a difficult time with it. The ABS is tricked up by the dumps causing the wheels to lose traction. The subaru system will do better than most given that it is a 4 channel system with sensors at each wheel. Some systems are only 2 or 3 channel and will brake the rears or fronts together instead of independently. I would only worry about this if the took different cars over the same section of road and found the Subaru to be worse than the other.
    ABS is not a perfect saftey measure as it increases stopping distance in snow and loose gravel situations. Some people even turn the system off in winter by pulling out the fuse. I think the thing to remember is to not over-drive the conditions. Bombing down forest roads may be fun but is harzardous for amatures.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    $200 sounds mighty cheap for such a brake upgrade.

    Heather: I've heard of one such case, so it's not unheard of but definitely not common.

    -juice
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    My son said he read that the yellow EBC pads are recommended only for racing rotors and if used with regular ones, they would be bad with those. Are you sure about those green ones?

    Was reading in the OBS club over at Yahoo about a guy whose mechanic told him some 2002 OBS's have had camshaft seal leaks. First I every heard of it--anyone here?? Of course, who knows what number "some" is...
  • linsavy2linsavy2 Posts: 3
    Yup the green ones. Word is that EBC is better at motorcycle pads than cars.
    The 2.5l and the 2.2l engines are known to have issues with both crank and cam seals. The best thing to do it to change them when the timing belt is being done. Cheap maintenance. They only cost 100 or so extra at that time.
    The rear crank seal is another story for cost, but I haven't heard too many issues with it.
  • aajoslinaajoslin Posts: 15
    EBC Green is PEOPLE!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    No OBS owner here has complained about those leaks, so it can't be that common.

    -juice
  • linsavylinsavy Posts: 13
    It's a higher mileage problem. It's not that big a deal because it is fairly easy to fix. It would be a problem if you went into do the timing belt, then a month later did one seal then 3 months later did another seal.
    OBS owners are a fairly small portion of Subaru owners so maybe few have had this issue or have high mileage. It is fairly common to Legacy's from early 90's.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    when I had my timing belt changed last year! Oh well, up to 115K as of today, and no oil leakage or consumption yet. I am knocking on wood daily! :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    that was a clever line! Reminiscent of "Soylent Green"... lol!
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    guess we've given him up for dead, eh? Those wedding bells should be ringing soon, I can even hear them as I write...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Either that or he's having a really great honeymoon!

    -juice
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I decided to take my OBS to an independent shop today that comes highly recommended for working on Subarus, and OMIGOD! I got a lesson in all the things that the dealer does not do, at least not my dealer, when they do routine maintenance checks. It needs new struts all around, and those infamous camshaft seals are already beginning to leak, and it is a great shame I did not get them done when I had the timing belt done. Plus the alternator is marginal and the battery is barely holding an adequate charge. I was reading a post earlier where people were wondering what on earth you get for all that "extra" money you spend for routine dealer maintenance, when the checks are numerous and the list of things they actually do seems pretty short, and now I have an answer for them: they do nothing with all those inspections! They might as well not have existed. To have all the work done that is needed, using Subaru parts, is going to be darn near $3000, including the clutch!

    Of course, I don't fault the car - still a great car, and all the things it needs are just regular long-term maintenance items, or things that are expected to wear with age, but geez, if I had know about some of these a year ago when they started to present themselves, I could have spaced out the $$ outlay!

    Funny, that with all the stuff it needs, it still feels to me like it drives like the day it was new...maybe that is a testament to Subaru, I don't know...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    You might want to let Subaru know about that (800subaru3 or subaru.com). If you're car has been regularly serviced by a dealer, they should've caught some of those things.
    My dealer is the opposite. I'm usually surprised at the little things they can find (little things that could have led to major things, actually).

    -Dennis
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I looked up your profile and discovered you have exactly the same year OBS I have! I was just wondering if you have had any major work done on the car's suspension. Half of that money I listed was for struts all around, and the price including Subaru struts, labor, and a 4-whl align was $1500. My car has 115K miles, and I was kind of hoping these struts would go a little longer, but mainly I am surprised they cost so much...it is more for 4 struts for this thing than a brand new clutch!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    Wow you have some serious miles!

    The only suspension work I've had done is a strut replacement before 36k and one at ~50k.

    My current dealer, that's been in business about 15+ years, has only seen "a few" Subaru's that needed new struts.

    -Dennis
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    My guess is that at 130K any car would need new shocks/struts. It is more of a wear and tear item than anything. I'm sure it will be fine if you don't replace them as they are probably not shot. Shot would mean leaking fluid etc.

    -mike
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    I believe in one or both cases, mine came loose at the mounts (or something like that) and were rattling like crazy.

    -Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Wow, 115k is a lifetime for most vehicles, that's great.

    My wife's 626, at 71k miles, needed struts. But we just sold it.

    -juice
  • linsavylinsavy Posts: 13
    Nippononly, I am somewhat surprised that all of your struts are shot. Struts should last a long time unless you are heavily loaded or drive over big bumps frequently.
    If you really need struts I have some suggestions.
    $100ish plus shipping will buy you 4 lightly used impreza RS struts and springs at i-club.com. Expect to pay about 300-400 for labour to install. They will lower the car about an inch and give you better handling at the expense of off-road ground clearance. RS and OBS struts are the same, but the RS springs are stiffer and shorter. You could just get the struts for less $. or
    Buy some KYB GR2 gas struts for around $300 at p-s-t.com. Same for installation. Somewhat stiffer valve rates but not harsh.
    Next up is KYB AGX struts for $390, same as GR2s but you can adjust the value rates from soft to way hard.
    All of above are upgrades from what you have for much less than just replacing the struts with Subaru parts.
    $1500 is way too much to pay. You could get coil-overs for that.
    You have some time before you need to do this stuff by the sounds of it. I would look for a rebuilt alternator to save money. Do the cam seals when you have the money. A little leaking shouldn't be a big problem.
    Cheers.
  • tberret1tberret1 Posts: 2
    Hi - my 2002 outback has 2700 miles on it and is leaking oil - any one heard of this problem cropping up?

    thanks for any assistance.
  • aajoslinaajoslin Posts: 15
    I haven't had any problems 15k miles... If you're leaking oil, one thing to check for is that the filter is screwed tight (hand tight) and the oil plug is not cross threaded... you might as well change the oil while you're examining the plug. If you're burning oil, There could have been a problem with the engine break-in period (O-rings). In the meantime, maybe a thicker oil will slow the leak... not a fix, just something to slow it down. Be sure to stay within specs for oil type.

    Just a few thoughts from the weekend mechanic
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    Can you tell where the oil is coming from (oil drain plug, filter, front of engine, etc.)?

    -Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Make sure you use a new crush washer each time you change your oil. Or ask the dealer to trace the leak since it's new. It may be the front seals.

    -juice
  • mosovichmosovich Posts: 4
    Anyone ever experience a creaking noise over the back right side, may be in the back door area. I have a 2002 OBS, and love it, but very frustrated by noise. Only occurs when going over bumps or an angled drive way. Scheduled appt. at dealer, to have looked at, but would like to avoid if it is something common and simple to fix. Thanks!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Lube the sways, I bet that's it. There are rubber bushings that hold them in place, and as the suspension flexes from side-to-side, it twists in place and can creak, squeek, or groan.

    Use lithium grease.

    -juice
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