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Subaru Impreza Outback Sport & TS

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  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    A Legacy, not an Impreza.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    You're not comparing apples-to-apples.

    Accord = Legacy/Outback.

    Civic = Impreza/Outback Sport.

    Bob
  • I know I'm not comparing apples to apples.. but I guess I should ask instead.. does anyone have an opinion about whether it's worth paying more for the Honda or whether the Impreza is a good bet for the money.. ? The Impreza, which I've test-driven, seems great. Do they have any big problems? (any year) I haven't even driven the Accod Wagon, I'm just doing research and I thought that from-the-owners may be best. Thanks!
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    a 96 Impreza Outback (as of MY97, this model is known as the "Outback Sport"), with just over 100K on it, with no problems to speak of. We also have a '01 Forester, with 36K on it; again, no problems.

    In addition, I've owned 7 Honda cars (plus 3 Honda motorcycles and a Honda lawnmower) over the years, so I know that product rather well too.

    In a nutshell, I prefer the Subarus, mainly because of the AWD. Once you've owned an AWD car, it's doubtful you'll ever want to return to FWD or RWD. That's been my situation. The Hondas may have a lot of features that are tempting, but they don't have AWD. So until Honda starts offering AWD across the board, it's Subaru for me...

    Bob
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    late 90s Subaru wagons are the deal of the century, with the AWD.

    Plus, any time you can actually locate one of those last Accord wagons Honda made before quitting, it is advertised as "very rare" and has about a $4000 mark-up over what it is really worth.

    Bear in mind Impreza is a lot smaller, so your needs may dictate which one you buy, but do not ignore Legacy wagons, which are an absolute bargain, and were all AWD beginning in, what, '99? Memory fails me here, it might have been earlier, but it was right around then that Subaru dropped all its stripper non-AWD models (they were called "Brightons"). Which also leads to another nice thing - all the Subarus come with lots of equipment standard, like power windows and air conditioning.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Actually, Bob, to correct your math:

    Accord < Legacy/Outback.

    Civic < Impreza/Outback Sport.

    :-)

    By the way, I contacted Subaru about the rear disc brakes on the OBS, they said the 2003 still had drums. I forget which topic we were discussing that, but they even checked their web site and thought the info was correct, and to let me know where I'd seen otherwise.

    1995 was the year that Subaru went to AWD only. The Brigthon's last year was 2000.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I've actually not been to Howard Beach :)

    I hang in SI/NJ/LI all the time though. :)

    I love the alfas too. The new ones are especially nice :)

    -mike
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Alpha hasn't sold cars here since the mid-90s. They had too many reliabilty problems, like Peugeot, and became pretty unpopular.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I specifically remember the Milano being dead last in the JD Power surveys. I'm not sure if the 164 was much better.

    -juice
  • moosejawmoosejaw Posts: 10
    You&#146;d think with a quasi hit TV show and a string of &#147;1-800- make them pay for the call&#148; commerials, Alyssa Milano would have ranked a lot better than last...Go figure.

    Jim
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    owns several alfas, never has a problem with any of them. I love the new alfas, a few people in my neighborhood have them I think they are 156s? You know how the guineas are over here, gotta have their alfas :)

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    One of the IT guys here has a 164, after owning a Milano, and he says it much more reliable.

    It's sad when Chevy uses an old 164 in a commercial to tout the reliability of their Impala!

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    is the same platform car as the Saab 9000s.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Really?

    The 156 is a euro model that never made it here. Styling is gorgeous, though, it may be the best looking sedan on the planet.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    is the ones they are running around my neighborhood with.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Yep, Saab 9000 and some Alfa share the same platform. Mike may be right as to which model. I'm just not sure which one.

    Bob
  • Look what I started.
    What will happen if I say I like Citroens!!!

    Anybody know when the new OBS comes out?
  • threesinthreesin Posts: 50
    FYI: While waiting for the tech to rid my '02 OBS of its throttle vibration, I asked the sales mgr abt the arrival date of the '04 Imprezas. He says that the dealership (central California) should be getting their allocation in April, and the cars should be on the lot by June, if not before. That would correspond with what I've been told about the arrival date of the new STi.

    Threesin
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Be shipping like he said above on sale in June.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    by the end of March or early April for most Imprezas. The STi will arrive in June, or so I've been told.

    This why you're now seeing so many incentives on '03 models. The '04s are just around the corner.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    In fact, someone in the WRX topic said they already stopped taking orders for the 2003s. So they are wrapping up production of those on the assembly line.

    It might be sooner, maybe end of March/early April. They do have to ship them across the Pacific.

    -juice
  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    I heard scuttlebutt that 2004 Imprezas are on the water already...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    There you go, then end of March is realistic.

    -juice
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    ...my recollections were off...I thought when I bought my '97 there were still non-AWD Subies for sale...and I don't know why I thought there were always non-AWD Brighton models available.

    I was kind of glad when they got rid of Brightons - they kind of cheapened a really nice product, and the 'L' trim level was always very competitively priced, with a nice level of standard features.

    They had Legacy Brightons longer than they had Impreza Brightons.

    juice: above, did you mean that the '04 OBS will still have rear drums, per Subaru?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The '03s have drums. There might have been a mistake on the web site about discs arriving in 2003, they actually arrive for MY2004.

    Just saw a thread that showed Canadian a dealer with an '04 in stock, so they're arriving.

    -juice
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    to go check one out at the local dealer.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    We just took one in, high miles but hey, it's priced right.

    I'm seriously considering buying it for myself, but it's an automatic, yuck, and is still outside the range I was looking to pay.

    Then, the '89 Loyale is closing in on 180K, time for new belts and another reseal, plus the muffler has a hole in it and the windshield's cracked. I put the car's value a bit less than the cost of an oil change.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    a 4WD turbo, it is still worth something....those were fun.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

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