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Subaru Impreza Outback Sport & TS

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  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    in reality the change in my WRX wagon from 17mm rear sway bar to 20mm rear sway resulted in no change in ride quality...them are the facts, ma'am. :-)

    Stephen
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    I was just passing along what Mike Shields recommends. He tunes cars and those were his recommendations for my year OBS knowing I just do daily driving. The sway bar is for flatter cornering and better steering response.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    When I upgraded to poly bushings on my sway bars of my Trooper the ride got harsher. Maybe those WRX seats just absorb the extra jolts better! :)

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My carrier is a Samsonite. I've seen them in luggage outlets for $40. Sports Authority charges $80 for the exact same thing! Fits a pretty good amount of stuff and is water resistant but not water proof.

    The Impreza TS wagon also has drum brakes. But I imagine the clutch and shifter linkage are the same.

    -juice
  • barresa62barresa62 Posts: 1,379
    You're right, that's probably it! :-)

    Celeste:

    Mike Shields (great guy, BTW) is absolutely right, flatter cornering and better steering response. The front bar upgrade really affects the steering response as does a front strut bar. The rear swaybar seems to affect more in terms of flatter cornering, as does a rear strut bar.

    Stephen
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I think the OBS is the perfect Subaru for my needs personally, at least it has been this far, but I am puzzled that they have moved this model relative to the rest of the Subarus sold, to the point where it is almost the cheapest Subaru out there (with the TS wagon being the bottom). I would like to see it have the same hardware and options as the RS sedan, for instance. In particular, I would appreciate the rear discs, and the option of a six-disc in-dash changer. And this would bring it into line with the majority of the other imprezas out there, including the WRXs. On the plus side, at least the alloys are standard now. Those plastic wheel covers the old series OBS had were so ugly, and now all the old ones you see have black wheels exposed, because those plastic covers came right off and got lost.

    BTW, how come all this time there has never been an option for a sunroof in this car? That would be nice too.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The first year OBS had alloys and rear disc brakes. Those fell victim to cost-cutting.

    Now the alloys are back, plus they are 16". I hope Subaru makes 4 discs standard across the board, though, like they already did with ABS.

    -juice
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I have seen the '96 OBS, which looks like my '97 but with no hood scoop, and the ones I have seen had the ugly wheel covers. Don't know about the rear brakes of course.

    Or was there a '95 that I do not know about? The oldest OBS I have seen had 14" wheels, instead of 15's. And had wheel covers too.

    When was the first year of OBS?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    It has rear disks, and alloys. The alloys were optional. The car was re-named Outback Sport for MY97.

    Bob
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    paisan: I'll quote you what Mike Shields told me about poly bushings vs. rubber--

    "The bushings are hard rubber which oddly enough is better than poly. You put the bush in and the clamp crushes it down tight--it is not going anywhere. They are exactly how we use them on our rally car. Ply would not last two hours, and rubber will run forever. Poly was used for cars that had soft fubber bushings in them. Subaru makes and uses much harder bushings throughout the car than most manufacturers and has an even harder set for rally use. For example, the excellent steering feel the car has, is due to the hard rubber mounts of the steering rack. Do not worry about not having poly bushings--we do not even sell them. We do sell special rubber rally car bushing kits for the WRX, but we do not change the sway bar bush, because it is hard enough already!"

    Nippononly: I believe you could switch out the drum brakes for disks if you wanted to go to the expense and the trouble. I don't have any complaints about the braking though, and have had to apply the brakes hard in several situations. So I guess I'll put my money toward the bar and then the tires.

    Someone on the OBS club was just talking about how his 97 (or was it 96?) OBS had 137 hp, which was upped to 142 hp I think in 99. So give the OBS enough time and maybe the engine will upgrade to the present WRX?????

    By the way an article was referenced on i-club about a redesign of the headlights on the current Impreza that will debut at the Paris auto show this year, or maybe next year. Anyway. Bye, bye bug eyes. I just got used to them. They are different from all the clones out there and I think give the car a distinct personality.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Have no idea why you quoted that for me, but ok.

    -mike
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I like the bug eyes now. But I have seen a lot of negative commentary on them in the press. You would think Subaru had produced Aztek Jr. with this car, when in fact I think it looks quite distinctive, and I like the lines.

    Thanks celeste, I would not go to the trouble and expense of trading out the drums for discs, it is just that I have always wished for a stronger-feeling set of brakes on my OBS - since they were new, I have had to press the pedal fairly hard to get a strong response from the brakes, although they were always very good when I really needed them. So it would have been nice to see them go to the rear discs on the new OBS, since most of the other imprezas have them.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • linsavylinsavy Posts: 13
    The least expensive path to better braking on your pre 2002 OBS is to swap the front caliper and rotors for those on an RS. You can pick up used one on i-club for less than $200 including pads.
    They bolt right up, bleed the brakes and you are away.
    You trade up to 2 pot calipers instead on 1 pot which gives the pad a better grip on the rotor. The rotors and pads are bigger so you get more swept area that increase braking force and dissipates heat better.
    An excellent low-cost brake upgrade.
    The next mod is to change the pads for something higher performance.
    Rear discs are more of sporty marketing thing on small cars that don't do towing or track racing. Drums are quite effective in the rear and are much lower maintenance. They definitely don't look as cool though. My 2 cents.
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    Paisan: I only mentioned about the poly bushings because of your comment about using them.

    Linsavy: Sounds like good advice. They have a green pad that is dustless and I hear they're pretty good. Thinking of trying those when mine give out. Heard of em'?
  • heatherbeanheatherbean Posts: 82
    I was looking through www.nhtsa.dot.gov at the Problem and Issues section for Impreza's. I found under customer complaints something shocking and very disturbing! Here is a summary of over 20 issues on bad brakes:
    "THE BRAKING SYSTEM OFTEN FAILS WHEN THE BRAKES ARE APPLIED WHILE TRAVELLING OVER A ROUGH OR BUMPY SURFACE, REGARDLESS OF SPEED (I HAVE HAD IT OCCUR SEVERAL TIMES, FROM 5 TO 35 MPH). IN THESE CASES THE ABS IS WRONGFULLY TRIGGERED UNDER MILD BRAKING, THEN THE VAST MAJORITY OF BRAKING POWER IS LOST AND THE CAR BARELY STOPS AT ALL. THIS BRAKING IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN FEEL AND PERFORMANCE FROM THE ABS FUNCTIONING PROPERLY ( I.E. VERY HARD BRAKING ON A SMOOTH SURFACE. THE BRAKES WORK FINE IN THESE CASES.). THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM THAT I AM HEARING ABOUT FROM OTHER 2002 IMPREZA/WRX OWNERS."

    Have any of you had this problem? Please reply.
    Thanks, Heather
  • linsavy2linsavy2 Posts: 3
    Green pads? Do you mean the EBC green stuff? I have read some horror stories on them about eating rotors for breakfast. I would stay away.
    Porterfields are near the top in quality but cost alot. Carbontech and Mintex make some good stuff.
    Heather, I have heard of the ABS issue before. "often" is a relative term. The key is "bumpy" roads. If you brake hard on a washboard gravel road. ANY ABS system is going to have a difficult time with it. The ABS is tricked up by the dumps causing the wheels to lose traction. The subaru system will do better than most given that it is a 4 channel system with sensors at each wheel. Some systems are only 2 or 3 channel and will brake the rears or fronts together instead of independently. I would only worry about this if the took different cars over the same section of road and found the Subaru to be worse than the other.
    ABS is not a perfect saftey measure as it increases stopping distance in snow and loose gravel situations. Some people even turn the system off in winter by pulling out the fuse. I think the thing to remember is to not over-drive the conditions. Bombing down forest roads may be fun but is harzardous for amatures.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    $200 sounds mighty cheap for such a brake upgrade.

    Heather: I've heard of one such case, so it's not unheard of but definitely not common.

    -juice
  • celeste2celeste2 Posts: 362
    My son said he read that the yellow EBC pads are recommended only for racing rotors and if used with regular ones, they would be bad with those. Are you sure about those green ones?

    Was reading in the OBS club over at Yahoo about a guy whose mechanic told him some 2002 OBS's have had camshaft seal leaks. First I every heard of it--anyone here?? Of course, who knows what number "some" is...
  • linsavy2linsavy2 Posts: 3
    Yup the green ones. Word is that EBC is better at motorcycle pads than cars.
    The 2.5l and the 2.2l engines are known to have issues with both crank and cam seals. The best thing to do it to change them when the timing belt is being done. Cheap maintenance. They only cost 100 or so extra at that time.
    The rear crank seal is another story for cost, but I haven't heard too many issues with it.
  • aajoslinaajoslin Posts: 15
    EBC Green is PEOPLE!
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