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Kia Forte vs Toyota Corolla vs Hyundai Elantra vs Mazda3

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  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    Some other things to consider:

    - Sedans tend to be viewed as more practical for the reasons you mentioned while coupes tend to be viewed as sportier
    - Automatics are more comfortable in city driving (less shifting) but are usually less fuel efficient than manual transmissions (this is changng, though)
    - Coupe doors are typically longer which may be an issue when parking (as in banging the door against another car in a parking lot or against a wall in a parking garage)
    - Consider resale value if you think you may be selling the car eventually; my understanding is that automatic sedans are a safe bet for resale as they tend to be the choice that satisfies the majority of car buyers

    But after all the thinking about practicality, ask yourself if you're satisfied with your choice. If not, you have your answer!
  • thank you so much for your input! i wouldve never thought the decision would be so hard...
  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    it really comes down to personel preference between the koupe and the sedan..however,i recently was at my kia dealer getting an oil change for my forte EX and noticed a forte koupe sx in the corsa blue color and i couldn't take my eyes off of it thats how nice it looked.the forte koupe is a real eye catcher in any color.
  • any of ya'll that are interested in getting a manual-trannied Forte Koup or Forte sedan, I have read that some people are having a hard time with it's clutch and shifter. I don't know, I haven't tried one out yet, but there is some hunting and pecking problem going on while people are trying to shift through the gears. Combined with some of the regular clutch synchronization problems people normally have with stick shift driving. I'd give one a thorough shifting workout during test driving, for one thing. And do a lot more research on this clutch and shifter trouble apparently going on.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • You've been misinformed. There's absolutely no problem with the gearbox. The automotive press has called it "rubbery", "notchy", "vague", etc., and the shift throw is "too long". B.S. It's fine, especially for a car at this price point. The press too often lose sight of the fact that not every car is expected to comply with Mercedes' and BMW's standards. The clutch coordination, though, does take some getting used to. Even after driving my EX for a week, I still occasionally don't get it right. But like a lot of things in life, "practice makes perfect."
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The press too often lose(s) sight of the fact that not every car is expected to comply with Mercedes' and BMW's standards.

    But when Honda gets it right on their economy cars (they've held an industry standard for manual transmissions in their price range for positive shift feel for years), its fair to hold other economy cars to that standard, in my opinion.

    You feel one way, a lot of people feel another.

    Opinions can differ, but yours isn't any more "right" than those of the press & those who dislike the manual shifter operation in the Forte.
  • Honda makes a good gearbox, but where all Asian cars fall down is the clutch design. Generally, all the Asian manufacturers use a cable-actuated clutch, whereas most European cars use a hydraulically-actuated clutch. Once you drive a car with a hydraulically-actuated clutch, the cable-actuated design simply doesn't measure up to the smooth operation of the hydraulically-actuated clutch. The comparison is night and day.
  • do the Asian manufacturers get this point? Are they going to switch over? I may one day buy another manual-trannied car but don't really want a European car unless it's an Audi. And they're kinda cost-prohibitive, ya know what I mean? I would love it if Hyundai and Kia switched over to the hydraulically-actuated clutch.

    Thanks for pointing that fact out, BTW.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • "You feel one way, a lot of people feel another." I think it's more a case of "some people feel another."

    It's not a matter of whether I'm "right". I'm merely expressing my opinion, and you can take what you wish from it, but it's one thing to document one's own experience after actually driving the car, and another to spread unfounded rumors, so my comments regarding the Forte's manual gearbox were primarily to squelch unsubstantiated hearsay. Also bear in mind that not all the press reviews are negative; the ones that are appear mostly in some of the enthusiast magazines, ergo my statement regarding their expectations. And nowhere in any review was there an allegation that "there is some hunting and pecking problem going on while people are trying to shift through the gears."

    Never having had the pleasure of driving a Honda Civic with a manual transmission, I can't comment on its quality or sophistication; but after driving manuals from Hyundai--and now Kia--for 7 of the past 11 years, and various Mazdas, Toyotas, and VWs over the preceding 35 years, I haven't had problems with any of them--except for a '79 Subaru, an absolutely abysmal PoS.

    That the Honda Civic's manual gearbox achieves a class-leading level of performance is laudable, as is the fact that Honda offers an available 5-speed automatic on all Civic trim levels, something Kia should have done. But the Civic is deficient in other areas, such as braking, power and torque, not to mention specific safety and convenience features available only on the highest trim levels. For example, Electronic Stability Control (Vehicle Stability Assist in Honda-ese) with Traction Control, standard on all Forte trim levels, is available only on the EX-L; Bluetooth and satellite radio, standard on all Forte trims, is available only on the EX or EX-L with Navigation; and you can't even get something as simple as heated outside mirrors on a Civic unless you order the EX-L.

    I am more than impressed with the Civic's ride quality, but I despise the dual-level dash and the enormous distance to the windshield. Besides, the Forte has a far richer list of desirable standard features for thousands less. So which is the better car, or more precisely, the better choice? It all boils down to personal preferences and priorities, and ultimately, where one's willing to compromise.
  • I would love it if Hyundai and Kia switched over to the hydraulically-actuated clutch.

    I looked through the shop manual listings on www.hmaservice.com and looked through the clutch specs on the current Hyundai models. They all show that the clutch is hydraulic-actuated, not a cable to be found. ;)
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Generally, all the Asian manufacturers use a cable-actuated clutch, whereas most European cars use a hydraulically-actuated clutch. Once you drive a car with a hydraulically-actuated clutch, the cable-actuated design simply doesn't measure up to the smooth operation of the hydraulically-actuated clutch. The comparison is night and day.

    Um....my Mazda6 has a hydraulic clutch, as are all Mazda mtx's as far as I know...
  • conwelpicconwelpic Ontario, CanadaPosts: 600
    according to KGIS for the Forte it states: Clutch operation method - hydraulic type (its the same whether is a 2.0L or 2.4L engine
  • if anyone needs a summing up of this-drive them all for yourself and make your own mind up on your favorite's clutch operation. I know for sure that of any of the cars I'm interested in, the 2003+ Hyundai Tiburon's have documented big-time troubles with their clutches staying together. I am not interested in the Tiburon any more, but it's not because of the clutch trouble.

    And Hyundai continues to deny Long-Haul Warranty claims and to say words to the effect of "you're not driving the car's right. You don't know how to work a clutch/manual gearshift operation, and, that's why your Tibby's broken down." That is very disconcerting and is really one of the very few knocks I've ever had with HyunKia.

    As for the Civic, Forte, Maz3, etc. I would really test-drive them all silly before I bought. And I have a strong feeling that a manual-trannied Forte sedan would work out just fine with me. I've driven many a stick through the years and I'll bet it's just a matter of getting used to the clutch/stick operation on them.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,579
    Sat in a dark red one of these today at the local BJ's and I was very impressed. Comfortable sport seats, nice thick steering wheel & nice interior fit & finish really caught my eye. Very impressed indeed but since I just turned over to 25k on the way to work this morning, no new car for me for a long while.

    The Sandman :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • yep, I have found my favorite rig ever in my '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. After owning the car, taking great care of it and driving it like a Grandpa for 2 3/4 years I love the car even more.

    Refresh me as to what car you are currently driving that just hit 25,000 miles, man.

    Our Lancer GTS has about 47,000 miles on it.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Comfortable sport seats, nice thick steering wheel & nice interior fit & finish really caught my eye

    I was a Lancer fan until I got inside it and actually started touching things. Turning the fan knob, etc - the car felt cheaper than the $20k+ sticker it carried. It was really a letdown after looking at it favorably before.

    Then again, I may just be spoiled by my '06 Accord's interior. :)
  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    hi folks,i purchased a kia forte EX over this past summer in august and thought i would give a 6 month update about how i feel about this car.first off,i never thought in a million years that i would purchase a kia product but i did.i test drove other cars in this class such as mazda 3,corolla,elantra,and civic just to name a few and the forte won out over these cars.the mazda 3 and civic sedan had way to much road noise for my likeing while on the otherhand the forte was very quiet with little wind or road noise.the other cars could not touch the forte's standard features.the forte's price to standard features ratio is unsurpassed in this segment and the long warranty was iceing on the cake for me.usually new model cars take a few years to work out the kinks but kia got this car right, right from the start.the dealership that i purchased my forte from keeps a 2010 toyota corolla s model on the lot so people can compare the forte with the corolla.salesmen told me that about 90 % of the people who test drove the forte then drove the corolla said they prefer the forte over the corolla i agree.forte smokes the corolla...
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    purchased a kia forte EX ... in august and thought i would give a 6 month update
    How is the fuel economy? What are you averaging?

    salesmen told me that about 90 % of the people who test drove the forte then drove the corolla said they prefer the forte over the corolla
    Well, if a Kia salesman said it, it must be true! ;)
  • steven39steven39 Posts: 636
    my fuel economy isn't as good as i had hoped for although i only have 5000 miles on the car and it's still breaking in.hopefully,the fuel economy will improve as i put more miles on the car...however it is i would say below 30 mpg all around and probably closer to about 25 which is what the mpg city estimates say on the window sticker.
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,579
    Just hit 25k on Monday with 3.5 years of ownership. Obviously, I don't drive much and since my accident. I only drive to & from work. The wife's '05 M3 is close to 70k but she drives much more than I do. Just had both cars detailed at home and they look sweet and both are running well. I'll be happy to get her car up to 85k before the new search begins.
    On another note, just picked up daughter #2's Hyundai Accent from their body shop...roommate sideswiped her car...and am still very impressed with it. Pretty powerful for the 1.6 engine and great brakes. Nice little 1st car for the $ and she's pleased.

    The Sandman :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

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