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Honda Odyssey GPS Navigation System

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  • mike734mike734 Posts: 128
    I have been very disappointed with the support offer for the Nav systems. I have both the DVD system on my Odyssey and the HD system on my Acura RL. They finally put out on update for the Acura but it has made my system slow and did not make firmware changes long overdue. I will never buy another car without navigation but I will consider other manufactures first.
  • Let us know if you find a better Nav system. I have the Honda DVD-based System on my 2000 Odyssey and the newer voice actived system on my 2004 Acura TSX. I really like both systems, and would not buy a new car without Nav.

    On the other hand, all the reviews that I have read seem to rank the Honda/Acura Nav systems as the best available. I've seen several others, as well as after-market ones, but none compare, in my opinion.

    It is true that the Honda databases are not updated very often, but I can live with that if I have to. (Roads don't change that often, although POIs do.)

    One thing to consider is the fact that Nav systems, being computer-based electronics age rapidly. My Odyssey is now 4 years old -- not old for a car, but ancient for a computer. The new Accord/Acura Nav system is much faster and much smarter than the older one. There really isn't much Honda can do to upgrade the performance of the older systems, although it can and should update the database.
  • I wish the Honda NAV were compatible with the Alpine dvd nav.
    Although Honda/Acura uses Alpine NAV, no one--Honda dealers or Alpine people-- will say anything as to whether they are compatible!

    Has anyone tried out an Alpine disc on the Honda or Acura NAV?

    Another thing I noticed was that the Alpine NAV has 11 million POI and the updated Odyssey NAV which is suppose to come out this Fall has 7 million POI.

    What does this mean? Don't tell me the so-called updated Odyssey NAV is already outdated before it is even released!
  • The Honda people are saying the new NAV update will be available this late November.
    8.5 GB. 7 millions POI. $185? Can't wait.
  • dcrislerdcrisler Posts: 118
    We need new maps. we still have the original dvd in our 00 Odyssey, I am hoping it finaly knows where our Dealer is!! The version we have has an incorrect location for Freeman Honda in Dallas(used to be Goode-Taylor Honda).
  • In case anyone still keeps up with this thread, the updated Honda Navigation DVD is available for pre-order now by calling 888-291-4675 (web form still lists older DVD database). The DVD is for models prior to '04 ('04's already have new database) and excludes '03 Honda Accord. Expected ship date is on or before 11/17/03. New data just in time for holiday travel! Enjoy!
  • Thanks a bunch for the info!
    The '03 NAV is way outdated on the POIs!
    Hope the new one is truly more updated!
  • You can go to www.hondanavi.com and order the updated version online for $185 + $6 S/H UPS Ground = $191 and charge it to Discover, Visa, Mastercard, or American Express.

    I hope it's worth it. If you want to wait, I'll try it out and let you know on Edmunds. They said on phone that it should ship out next Monday. We'll see.
  • Got the new Nav database for my '03 Odyssey on 11/20 and it was worth the quick upgrade!

    Has new unverified routing, similar to '03 Accord, and now shows nearly all roads in 48 states. Excellent! And goes one better than my Accord, allowing routing through unverfied areas via an on/off option. Accord routes you around.
    New voice, sounds similar to one on Accord, and is easier to understand. No option to choose male voice as in Accord, which upset my wife. :)
    More POI's. Our local YMCA was not in the older DB, now is in the newer DB.
    Performance seems same to me. This is good seeing as DB is a lot bigger.
    Still not as many icons as Accord, which is ok since it would clutter smaller screen.

    Overall, new unverified routing and larger DB makes a good Nav system even better.

    Just curious, new DB has 7+ million POIs. Anyone know how many was in older DB?
  • Got my new NAV for '03 Ody as well.
    I noticed the option for unverified routing, but what exactly is it?

    I gues if we activated the icon for ALL restaurants, there would be a lot of icon too, right?

    I also like the new voice. Must be a guy thing:-)

    Yes, I also noticed a lot more POI.

    I think the previous NAV had 3 million POI, but not sure. However, a lot of those older POI were out of date too, as a lot of businesses have closed.

    My 2 year old home in a new addition still is not in the database, but the surrounding houses are.

    I gotta try the unverified routing and see what it is.

    So the "Easy Route" is basically using most of interstates, "Direct Route" is the shortest distance, but what in the world is unverified routing?
  • Although I haven't yet purchased the new DB for my 2000 Odyssey, I do have the newer DB in my 2004 Acura TSX. Here's my attempt to explain it. (The manual or supplement may do a better job).

    Basically, unverified routing means going through areas that are mapped but that NaviTech (the company that does the maps for Honda, Acura and many other companies) have not physically visited.

    NaviTech physically verifies the roads by sending out drivers to report the actual road details. That is one reason why the DB has only contained major metropolitan areas. To add the rest of the US quickly, they have added unverfied roads, that they have not checked themselves. Therefore they don't know whether left turns are allowed at intersections, may not know one way streets, etc. (And the road may have changed since the map they used was made). Nonetheless it is a great improvement over the old coverage.
  • Thanks for the explanation.

    So in other words, if you use unverified routing, it may lead you into a "Wrong Way" one-way street?

    Can we assume that this new disc is pretty much the same as the Acura disc, except that the Acura (and Honda Accord) has voice recognition?
    Both have 7 million POI.

    Has anyone used this unverified routing and had a bad experience ? Like getting lost?
  • I suppose that the Unverified routing might "suggest" a one-way street (wrong way), but that is why Honda/Acura strongly suggest you review any Unverified rountings.

    On the other hand, even if NaviTech did not personally verify the routes, they did make use of existing information, which should be fairly accurate -- just not as acurate as doing their own survey.

    As far as I know the Databases used in the two systems are the same, although the software (including Voice Recognition) is different. In fact, the new database is actually newer than the one in my 2004 TSX (which was manufactured in June 2003 and has a database current only to 7/30/2002. The latest TSXs have the newer DB.
  • Awesome info. Thanks.
    Good to know that my $191 went towards the latest update NAV.
    When I bought the 2003 Ody, it was badly outdated, which stinks.
    It doesn't sound right buying a 2004 model, but not getting the most up to date version.
    It doesn't sound right buying a 2003 car and having to already update the NAV.

    But now I am happy with the new NAV.

    Thanks again for your input.
  • I can't seem to save anything on the personal address book with the new disc. Anybody has this problem?
  • Your problem is one of many problems other owners of the new disc are having. From what I hear, Honda/Alpine has stopped the shipments of the new disc, and they will send out patches to whom already had the them. You may want to call Honda to get more info.
  • Yeah, I have called Honda. They said the same thing. They said Late January is the expected date for the "patch" disc.
  • One year ago we purchased our new 2003 Honda Odyssey with the Navigation System. It was even then sorely out-of-date! It took us to dead ends, closed-down malls, and museums that were no longer there. It didn't have a new mall that had been in place for almost 2 years. Several streets and subdivisions were missing entirely. The GPS certainly gave us the run around and now Honda is giving us the run around.

    American Honda said that in the Fall there would be a new version that we could purchase for $50. I think I shouldn't have to pay an extra $50 for a $1500 system that wasn't up to par in the first place.

    They gave me the phone number of the makers of the Navigation System who hung up on me twice trying to transfer me back to American Honda. They said the new system 2.11B costs $185!

    American Honda told me to call our local dealership. The sales mgr there said he has no problem with his 2004 model and he couldn't do anything for me but to recommend that I call American Honda again.

    The case is pending so I will update later. But for an expensive gadget, the navigation system certainly does not do what it is supposed to do!
  • Yeah, those greedy bastards! I think most of them are like that. I bought a 2003 Ody w/NAV too, and it is outdated. The new NAV disc is better, but yeah, it costs $185 plus $6 s/h. It has some bugs.
    It's weird. Sometimes I can't save any new addresses, but sometimes I can. Sometimes you can't get pass a certain screen, but then it works again after you turn it on and off. Those damn bugs.
    Yeah, I think an update disc should be no more than $50, not $185.
    I guess they figured if you have enough money to buy the Ody w/Nav, you have enough money to waste on future updates.
    Overall, I think the NAV works fine for me, except for those construction sites and new streets. But like they say, you can't rely 100% on the NAV. You have to use a little judgement calls too.
    But, if you make the wrong turn, the NAV knows.
    But yeah, it can be frustrating sometimes.
    Sometimes it picks a route that I think is stupid. However, it can get you eventually to your destination.
    I would say it's better than nothing and it works well most of the time.
    I still would get a NAV system on all my vehicles in the future.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    is to be like my friend and don't update every year. Every other year might be fine, but he has never updated his 2001 disc in his 2001 Odyssey EX.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I don't have a NAV system, but sorely miss it when I had the chance to buy a 2001 with a NAV but waited until 2002 to buy an Odyssey and bought the base EX model. (cloth, no NAV)
  • Most streets don't change completely even when they do change, so most NAV will work even after 10 years. However, the POI will most likely be way off. For example, in the 2003 Ody NAV, the Wal-Marts around my area did not even show up as POI. Now all the stores around my house show up on POI.
    So the streets may not change, but the POI will.
    If you don't care for POI and just care about getting close to a destination, you could always use nearby intersections and the NAV should get you there.
    Yeah, I did not HAVE to guy the updated disc, but it was just fun to. Even I will have to admit that NAV is a "toy". But even so, I feel 100% confident that I will never get lost with it--even with an outdated 2003 NAV disc.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    he just uses the NAV to get where he needs to go- I doubt he'll ever use the POI feature.
  • kphkph Posts: 40
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    Reading this group, it appears that last fall a buggy 2003 update to the non-voice Navi software was issued, with a promise of a fix by about now.

    As the owner of a 2000 Odyssey with the original DVD in it, I was planning to upgrade it this year, but was hoping to hear about this update before moving.

    Any word out there??

    TIA
  • No words yet, but I'm planning on calling them back again soon. The lady I spoke with said it would be ready by late Jan. or early Feb.
  • Just got this e-mail:

    Dear Andrew

    Thank you very much for purchasing the [Honda/Acura] Navigation System Updated Disc version 2.11B. We apologize if you&#146;ve experienced a problem using this disc. A special CD disc is being sent to you via US Mail at no charge that we believe will correct these issues.

    The CD is to correct certain operational functions of the navigation program. It does not contain any additional map coverage or Points of Interest (POI) data. Please read the instructions that come with the disc, as this will explain in detail what software issues were addressed.

    We thank you for your patience as we&#146;ve worked through this situation. Please do not respond to this e-mail as it is a read-only service. If you have any questions please contact us at: hondanavidiscs@alpine-usa.com or 888-291-4675 option 2
  • Installed the patch disc.
    Drove my Ody over the weekend.
    NAV seems to be working just fine.
  • I'm looking at a new Ody with Nav. From reading the messages above, it looks like an updated disc just came out. Does anyone have any thoughts on whether the car would come with the newest disc? For instance, does the dealer install the most recently available disc during delivery? Or would I have to push to get this included? It seems like I should get the latest disc given that my car purchase date would be after the disc release date...

    Thanks!
  • According to the Honda people selling the new updated NAV disc, the 2004 Odyssey does have the updated disc.
    However, the question is, since the updated disc contains bugs and required the "patch" disc, will the 04 ody also require the patch disc. If so, you need to make sure on the contract that Honda will give you the patch disc for free.
    I would make them put down on contract that you are getting the latest updated Nav disc plus the "patch" disc.
    If you are buying a 2004 model instead of waiting for the new 2005 model, you better be getting no less than $3K off MSRP! Plus, if I were you, I would demand on CONTRACT that they install the factory DVD for $1,500---that is if you wanted DVD player. Otherwise, they will charge you $2K plus tax if they do it afterwards.
  • nit2nit2 Posts: 29
    I bought mine Jan 2004 w/NAV.
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