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Subaru Legacy/Outback



  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Must be the shape of the glass?

  • chuckb5chuckb5 Posts: 7
    Someone mentioned a possible suspension change for 03. Is that based on what is currently being offered in Japan or what Subaru has stated? When are we likely to know what changes will be available for 03? I am going to purchase a Bean and not sure if I should wait or how long it will be before we know about the changes.
  • hondafriekhondafriek Ottawa CanadaPosts: 2,924
    I washed the Titan this morning, went to church this afternoon, the roads are pretty wet from the melting snow,

    I only travelled about 8 miles round trip and there is so much crud on the back of the car you would think it had not seen water in a month.

    I will try the rain-x but this is something I have just learned to live with, no car is perfect and I guess this is the Titan,s Achille,s heel.

    Cheers Pat.
  • mfsbmfsb Posts: 17
    I'm thinking about buying an LL Bean not just for the extra power but because it has a timing chain, chain driven camshafts hydraulically tensioned vs belt. Would the chain be a BIG plus, so so plus, or should it not even come into the picture when deciding between the 4 and the 6? Thanks for any info.

  • wired1wired1 Posts: 45
    I'm looking for some buying advice. I've been researching the VW Passat and comparing it to the Subaru Outback. I live in Pittsburgh where the winters can be rough at times.

    I understand the inherent advantages of AWD as it exists in the Outback. How does the standard front wheel drive Passat handle in the snow? Is there a significant improvement with the AWD as it exists in the standard Outback?

    I'm not an off-roader...I'm looking for a reliable vehicle for getting to work and the occasional road trip.

    My thanks to all in advance.
  • 99gs99gs Posts: 109
    I purchased a Bean last summer and can tell you from a handling and feel standpoint it would be very difficult to go back to 2 wheel drive. The Passat is a really fine car, but the secure drive, smooth and quiet 6, and utility of the Outback won me over. Jack
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    You may also want to check out this ongoing discussion: VW Passat vs Subaru Wagons. Good luck with your decision. ;-)

    Hatchbacks & Station Wagons Boards
  • grahampetersgrahampeters AustraliaPosts: 1,581

    Having had both the Passat and an Outback, I can understand the dilemma. Both are fine cars and the buzz I got from the Passat was fabulous.

    However, the Outback is dramatically better handling in sloppy conditions and snow. There is no way a 2WD can match the performance of an AWD.

    In addition, the added clearance means the Outback will push comfortably through drifts which the Passat will stick in. Here in Australia, the car of choice in any snow area is a Subaru, typically of an older mud-spattered variety.

    Have fun choosing. If you get the chance drive both on really poor dirt or mud tracks to see how the handling deteriorates. I find the Outback handling appears to improve as the conditions deteriroate. Strictly this is not correct but the differential inhandling quality becomes more apparent as other vehicles suffer dramatically.


  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Chuck: at this point, we're just taking guesses. We're not even sure Subaru will show the 2003 Legacy at the NY show. Given their history of slowly adding content, my guess is it's worth waiting to at least see the 2003.

    Bummer, Pat. At least you can rinse it and get most the stuff off, since it hasn't caked on.

    Bill: the chain will save you from changing the timing belt on the 4 banger, but the interval for that is a whopping 105k miles. So it's nice, but hardly a major factor. The H6 is smooth, relaxed, and luxurious. That's the reason to get it.

    Tom: I think the Outback compares more closely with the Passat 4Motion, and even then it has far more clearance and a VDC option.

    With the same tires, the Outback will eat the Passat's lunch in snow, no question about it. If you do get the Passat, at least consider getting both traction control and snow tires.

  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,411
    I just asked this on the Legacy Problems&Solutions, but I think this might have been the better place... here goes:

    Does anybody know how to decode a Legacy/OB Vehicle Identification Number? I'm looking to figure out from the VIN what type of transmission a car has. Am looking for a used 5sp, and this would speed up the search.

    East Lansing MI
  • seayakkerseayakker Posts: 57
    Wow I just popped over to the link Revka posted (I too was one of those folks who had narrowed my choice down to a Passat or an Outback - Outback won hands down) & I'm amazed at the difference in tone between the posters here at Subaru compared to other forums.

    Seems to me that folks who have chosen Subarus, by and large, are intelligent, considerate & helpful with a healthy sense of humour. We're good people!! I think this should be added to the plus column for anyone considering a Subaru [grin]

    And I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone here who has been so helpful with the questions that have popped up for me - you folks are great!

  • mrdetailermrdetailer Posts: 1,118
    While this may work better on regular roads, do not use RainX or any simlar product on the rear window if you will be driving on dusty roads. The Dust sticks like a magnet, and you are much worse off. I use RainX on the windshield, but not on the tailgate window.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It would help Pat in those wet conditions, though.

  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Posts: 1,676
    Here you go:

    11th position in the VIN -

    G or 6 = 5 speed

    H or 7 = Automatic

    Hope this helps you in your quest!

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Thanks, Patti. I know the first character is country of manufacture. For Subaru, 1=USA, or SIA in Indiana, J=Japan, or Gunma.

  • subaru_teamsubaru_team Posts: 1,676
    for adding that. It's interesting if you look at VIN's in parking lots to see where they were manufactured.

  • goosegoggoosegog Posts: 206
    Steve/fibber2: If you want more on the connection between the Rover 215V8 and the Buick V6 e-mail me at the address in my profile and I'll forward you a Word document containing some interesting history.
  • Are all the US model Legacy/Outbacks manufactured in Indiana? I checked the web site of Subaru dealer for outback and the VIN number start with 4. According to #5056 1=USA. The forester and Impreza start with J. Anyway, can you get a US model Outback LLB which is manufactured in Japan?

    A. Chee
  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    4=USA (Indiana) too. Unless Patti or anyone else comes up with otherwise.
    My VIN starts with '4'.

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