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Subaru Legacy/Outback



  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    and thanks for keeping us posted on your final decision. Happy motoring!

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm off line for a few snow days and Tom and Angie have joined our ranks! Congrats to both of you.

    LT1 in a Legacy may sound good, but I agree it would end up nose-heavy. Besides, the 2.5l makes 300hp in the STi, and the next Legacy is rumored to get 350hp.

    So I guess you could then "downgrade" to an LT1 at that point. ;-)

  • ncvolncvol Posts: 196

    How has the Subie been doing up there in 2+ feet of snow?
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    I understand the need to secure items in the cargo bay, but didn't know Reader's Digest had gotten into the business of testing vehicles.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Great. I went out with the Forester to get milk and emergency supplies. Like red wine. :-)

    They finally plowed in Tuesday morning. Since then we've been able to get around easily, including my wife in her Legacy (which has less clearance). The hard part was re-shoveling the drive every time they plowed the street!

    Two cars got stuck on my street - a 626 and a Corolla. Trucks were getting by OK.

  • goosegoggoosegog Posts: 206 said "My Legacy did not come with the tiedowns, so I pulled my rear floor trim up to confirm my suspicions the threaded holes would be there. Then bought 4 tiedowns from an Outback at the U-Pull salvage yard."

    Are you talking about a sedan? My 00 Outback wagon doesn't have tie-downs. Nor have I noticed anywhere to fix them if I had them. The floor is plastic and lifts up to reveal styrofoam. Under that is the spare.

    By contrast, my old Mercury Tracer wagon had them. But they were useless anyway.

    I agree with fibber2. This is the only secure way and will prevent even heavy items from coming at you. Ugly though.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    My previous 00 Outback (and the new 02) had tiedowns in the back, 4 of them, mounted along the sides of the cargo area, right above the floor. They are plastic, but could likely be replaced by something stronger. I believe they do thread into the frame.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My Forester has 4 sturdy tie-downs. I haven't used the ones in my wife's car yet, so I can't comment on them.

  • goosegoggoosegog Posts: 206
    Oh, the plastic ring thingies. I didn't consider them. I thought we were talking about proper straps made of seat belt material, bolted to the floor. Sorry.
  • fibber2fibber2 Mid Hudson Valley, NYPosts: 3,732
    actually had web belt material adjustable straps attached to the load floor. Surprised that I haven't seen anything like that since.

  • All:

    Can you suggest quality aftermarket accessory suppliers? I find this board extremely valuable and read every post.

    Thanks in advance
  • Our mtns. in Oregon got a big snowfall (30") over the weekend (like you folks out east), so I thought I'd give the new OB a trial run yesterday. The road (Santiam Pass) had been well-plowed, so it was a little hard to tell. On hard pack it handled great; a little squirrly in slush but what car isn't. When I got to the parking lot at the ski area (4-6" on the pavement), I did a little test drive and was impressed. About the same as our old '95 Legacy, but maybe a little better with the bigger tires?

    But I was impressed with the uphill power on the way up. In the old Legacy, I used to have to shift down (AT) into 3rd gear several times, and on a couple grades I could barely keep it up to 40. But I drove the whole way without shifting down. And it's so quiet and comfortable. You sit up on the road higher without giving up stability. Absolutely no regrets about not getting the CRV. I washed it as soon as I got back in town. Wonder if I'll keep up the good habits.

    Geez, there are a lot of OB's on the road. I really notice them now. And every time I see a CRV I have to smile (condescendingly) a little.

    One question: I notice when you let off the gas, at about 20 or 30 you can notice a slight downshift that I don't recall in the Legacy. I didn't detect it when I was on snow, but I wonder if that could cause a little slippage if on slippery surface? Anybody notice that on theirs?
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Sounds like you are enjoying the new car! I'm pretty sure I have the same downshift when letting off the gas at those speeds. It doesn't provide a noticeable deceleration, but definitely kicks down a gear.

    Which ski area were you at?

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    A lot of newer trannies do this as a way to apply engine braking when someone lets off the gas completely. I find it great when driving in snow because I don't need to brake which might induce a skid.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Try, and also e-mail for a 2nd price quote, I don't think they have a web site.

    Both sell OE accessories, but near wholesale prices.

    That tranny is downshifting because it's getting ready to accelerate out of the turn you're approaching. Engine braking also helps prevent baking the brakes, so it's intentional.

  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Drove the Outback this morning, and noticed the downshift happens almost precisely at 24mph in my car, when braking. Very gentle at that speed, don't notice it much at all. I think it is going from 4 to 3.

  • erics6erics6 Posts: 684
    Hoodoo Ski area is at the top of Santiam Pass. It can be an exciting drive depending on conditions. I remember going over it once when semis with chains were getting stuck. Our Subaru just soldiered right on by, and we enjoyed a day of cross country sking at Hoodoo.
  • otis123otis123 Posts: 426
    Anyone put 225/60/16 Michelin Pilot Sport A/S tires on their Outback? Wondering how they perform. My original Firestones are starting to slip at 38K...and the reviews @ tirerack sound great, but no Outback reviews...


  • rob999rob999 Posts: 233
    I JUST had these installed on my '01 last month. Definite improvement in sound level and traction - but that's just my subjective impression.

    Unlike many of the Northern states, our area (suburban Chicago) hasn't had a lot of snow whereby I could really put them through their paces, but we had 3-4" about 10 days ago and they definitely seemed to be an improvement over the Firestones.

    I got mine from Costco - same price as TireRack plus there was a Michelin sale at the time (and no shipping charges). They don't stock the PS A/S, but they did a special order for them. Costco also includes valve stems and road hazard insurance that other places nickel-and-dime you for.

    I'm definitely happy with my purchase.
  • Yes, it's Hoodoo Ski Bowl. It's infamous for its "Hoodoo cement"--heavy wet powder. You have to do jump-turns to stay on top of it. Only another hour away is Mt. Bachelor, I think the best ski area in the Pacific NW. Almost always light powder. But if the weather's bad (as it was this week), it's a long drive.

    Thanks, all, for the advice on the downshifting.

    I have another trivial question: How do you keep cats off a car (hood)? I didn't enforce any deterrent with my old Legacy, but now I'm suffering the consequences. When I got back from the mtn, I washed it, and the damn cats were on it in no time. What can you do, short of shooting them? (They're my wife's cats.) I hate having to cover it up, but I've been putting a piece of plastic on it--when I remember. Any advice?
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