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Canadian Car Buying (for Canadian Consumers)

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  • salovekusaloveku Posts: 22
    Any suggestions on the appropriate markup from dealer cost in Canada. I'm particularly interested in Volvo and SAAB
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515
    I thought that those of you who are checking out this particular discussion might find the following press release from Mitsubishi interesting. Enjoy.

    SOURCE: Mitsubishi Motor Sales of America, Inc.

    Mitsubishi Motors to Enter Canadian Market With Full Range of Vehicles in 2003

    Auto Maker's Success in United States Drives Growth Into Canada

    TORONTO, Feb. 27 - Building on its extraordinary momentum and record US sales, Mitsubishi Motor Sales of America, Inc. (MMSA), today announced its plans to enter the Canadian market through Mitsubishi Motor Sales of Canada. Through this subsidiary, Mitsubishi will now be able to offer Canadians a full line of stylish passenger cars and sport-utility vehicles that encourage Canadian consumers to "Wake Up and Drive(TM)."
    "Canadians purchase approximately 1.5 million new vehicles a year, making this one of the world's top 10 automotive markets and a natural choice for Mitsubishi Motors' global expansion," said Pierre Gagnon, executive vice president and chief operating officer, Mitsubishi Motor Sales of America, Inc. "We are excited to offer Canadians our full line of vehicles and look forward to growing across this great country."

    Mitsubishi Motors anticipates it will begin selling cars in Canada early in 2003, with a goal of opening 51 dealerships in the first year, growing to 150 dealerships within five years. At that level, the dealer network would result in the creation of approximately 6,400 new jobs.

    The company projects sales in Canada of 38,000 new vehicles annually by the end of 2007, giving Mitsubishi an estimated two-percent share of the Canadian new vehicle market. Canada is the only major global automotive market in which Mitsubishi Motors does not currently sell vehicles.

    "For any major auto company like Mitsubishi Motors, the Canadian market is an important place to do business. Canada has a world-class retail dealer environment and a growing population of savvy consumers," added Gagnon.

    Mitsubishi Motor Sales of Canada plans to sell and distribute the same models sold in the United States (eight models in 2003).

    In 2002, Mitsubishi Motors product line will also include an all-new compact to be unveiled at the New York Auto Show in April 2001, and an exciting new sport-utility vehicle based on the ASX concept car Mitsubishi Motors showed at the 2001 North American International Auto Show in Detroit.

    Randy Sears is being appointed senior vice president and general manager of Canadian operations. Sears will be responsible for establishing Mitsubishi Motors in the Canadian marketplace. Currently, Sears is MMSA's regional director for the North Central region. Sears' career includes 20 years with General Motors of Canada Ltd. and two years as general manager for Saturn, Saab, Isuzu of Victoria Ltd., located in Victoria, British Columbia.

    "We will offer Canadian consumers value through competitive pricing, as well as quality, reliability and style. We're confident the Mitsubishi Motors brand will connect with Canadian consumers just as it has with consumers in the United States," said Sears.

    COO Gagnon and MMSA Senior Vice President and General Manager Greg O'Neill, will lead the company's senior management team. Gagnon and O'Neill are both native Canadians and veterans of the Canadian automobile industry.

    Dealers interested in more information about a Mitsubishi Motors Canadian franchise should call 1-877-386-1530 and speak with Glenn Frantz to get an application form.

    Mitsubishi Motor Sales of America, Inc. was established in 1982 by Mitsubishi Motors Corporation, Tokyo, and markets a full line of vehicles, including coupes, convertibles, sedans and sport utility vehicles through a network of more than 550 dealers in the U.S. For more information about Mitsubishi Motors, including digital images, please visit the web site at www.mitsubishicars.com and www.mitsubishicars.com/canada.

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  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    You mean you cant buy a mitsubishi in Canada???

    Bill
  • wmawma Posts: 12
    Which model of Volvo are you interesting? Which part of Canada are you in? Since mark-up is differ from region to region. I'm driving a 850 myself, find it very costly in repair, I would recommend you think hard b4 buying a Volvo.
  • salovekusaloveku Posts: 22
    I'm Toronto based but weekly travel north and accordingly I'm looking at the V70 XC. It's also the only one I fit in comfortably. Where are you located? I know it will be more expensive than my current Japanese car but after warranty there are independents in Toronto who are genereally less expensive than the dealers.
  • wmawma Posts: 12
    I'm in Northeast of GTA. My opinion on the Volvo is never ever get into an accicedent, however if you do. Take the car back to the dealer or to a VERY TRUSTED garage. The problem with Volvo is, if it is proper fix after the accicdents then you are fine. If not......^0^.. Also, Volvo can last quite long time if it's proper maintain.
  • kelfkelf Posts: 83
    I previously experienced some head aches when you purchased car in canada with km and then in the US it had to be converted to miles, etc. However the new cars---such as MBenz--- swich easily via computer back and forth. Does this mean that such cars do not have to go through a formal conversion when brought into the US????
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Generally the odometer and the speedometer must be changed out.

    Legally the car has to be sold as "TMU" (True Miles Unknown)

    Bill
  • kelfkelf Posts: 83
    But the new mercedes works either on miles or kilometers! why change and what?
  • 98monte_ls98monte_ls Posts: 117
    Is it cheaper to buy in Canada? Also, will I still get any rebates offered? Also, I am eligible for the GM Supplier Discount. Will this apply as well? (4% over dealer cost)

    I looked up the prices of the car I want on the GMCanada website. Then I converted the cost into USD for the MSRP cost. Can You believe that on a Chevy Camaro V6 the Canadian MSRP converted into USD is $2000 cheaper than buying the car here in the US? is this true?

    Are there any other kinds of fees involved in buying and importing into the U.S.? Taxes?

    I'd appreciate any info anyone can give!!!
    Thanks

    Bruce
  • If you happen to see this - which dealer did you get your Acura TL from as per your post last October? U can email me@Camfella4@aol.com. My search hasn't been as,um, successful as yours.
    Thanks in advance.
  • tajcattajcat Posts: 4
    I'm wanting to find a VW Canadian dealership that will play ball with a statesider - preferably 1 close to the border. Also trying to confirm that the 24/24 warranty will be honored in the US, and that I'll still get the free maintenance...

    Any leads are appreciated - I'd like to contact any1 who's bought Canadian recently for help. Thanks!
  • FIRST...call VW of America at 800 822 8987 and ask if they cover cars from Canada in the US. My understanding is all manufacturers EXCEPT Honda and Acura will honor the warranty in the US. Then ask if they will provide a letter necessary for you to bring the car into the US. (It's called a safety and emissions letter - it states that the car meets US regs.) If they do not, don't worry.
    Then get a list of all VW dealers in your target area - I'm sure VW Canada has a website with this info. You said "near the border" - the border is 3000 miles long LOL!(Vancouver and Toronto/lower Ontario are generally the most competitive.)Contact some of them to verify how much you'll save by buying there - in other words, negotiate. You needn't say where you're from. Try a fax-attack or email. See other Edmunds boards on how to fax-attack. Carcostcanada.com will provide facts and figures.
    Then email me about the actual buying process.
    With a little ingenuity it can be done.
  • tajcattajcat Posts: 4
    Yes, I called VW of America - they needed a VIN before confirming that they would cover the car. The USA powertrain warranty is 10yrs/100k - and only 1/2 that in Canada - I think the warranty for me would be halved.

    I have faxed / called dealers - and they don't seem to think cross-border buying of a new car is condoned - located 1 possible way - but it's kinda back doorish- and am considering the risks and hassles of it.

    These VW TDi engines get close to 50mpg on diesel - and they are pretty peppy w/ torque. May just get another color closer to home - thanks for the reply and congrats on your good deal!
  • Scroll to #33 and email me. I'll tell u what to do. Going through Customs etc is fairly easy but certain things have to be done beforehand. If VW says they'll give you a letter there should be no problem. Where in US are you?
  • Looking at carcostcanda.com, the MSRP for a TDI 1.9 with only auto trans. as an option, I came up with 26,055 CDN. That's about 17,000 US. And that's MSRP - you could probably get it for a tad less. Using Edmunds as a guide, multiply that figure by .94 for the approximate dealer cost. Depending on where that car is built, you may have to add duty of 2.5% to that figure. (VIN numbers that begin with 1,2,3,4,or 5 are duty-free.) Now add the fact that you say there is a color (isotope??lol)
    that is only available in Canada. Let me know when you're leaving. It's awfully nice in the summer up there.
  • larryjlarryj Posts: 2
    I'm shopping for a new car and the Altama is my probable choice. My local nissan dealer has several 05's on the lot and no more 04's. However the dealer does have two new 03 models that haven't sold from over stock. They are both 2.5s. automatics. One has the convenience package and both have under 1000 kms. Can any one give me a suggest price to offer the dealer for a car that is two model years old yet still new for warranty purposes? I don't want to find out too late that I've paid too much for a "new" car that has already depreciated two years. Also I wouldn't be suprized if the fluids in the engine are also two years old! If I buy either car what fluids should I have the dealer change?
  • I'm trying to get a good deal for a new Odyssey in southern Ontario. Just a quick update on these suggested websites:
    AUTOBYTEL.Ca is a US site only
    CHARIOTS.COM defaults to AutoTrader (used cars only)
    CARPOINT.CA defaults to Sympatico/MSN for list prices only.
    CARS4U.Com is the only good site that gives discounted quotes.
    Are there any Canucks out there that either got a good Honda deal or can recommend Canadian websites?
  • mbagradmbagrad Posts: 1
    I am looking to buy a cheap used car from Canada (under $1000). I am wondering if the customs fees will outweigh the car cost. What needs to happen when buying a car in Canada when I'm from the U.S.?
  • jlawrence01jlawrence01 Posts: 1,828
    I have been in Canada a couple times this year. While NEW cars are significantly cheaper than in the US (and most Canadian dealers do NOT sell to US residents), I have seen used car prices that seemed much higher than you could land the vehicle in the US for (and I AM accounting for the 0.79 exchange rate that is currently in place).

    Another snag is that you will find that some cars marketed in Canada, cannot be imported as they do not meet US safety and pollutions standards. That is not generally a problem with the American makes.

    Personally, unless you have some "sweetheart" deal with a friend or a relative, I'd forget about it.
  • mazda6iguymazda6iguy Posts: 365
    Casino Windsor is running a promotion where you could win a Smart car. We do not have these in the US, so I was wondering if a US resident wins the car, what happens when he brings it back to the US? Are those cars federalized?

    On a related subject, what if a US resident wants to buy an Acura EL (not offered in USA) just to be unique. What are the pitfalls? Can he have it serviced by US Acura dealers? Just wondering....
  • moebmoeb Posts: 1
    I would like to know if it's a good idea to pay for fabric protection when you have a baby. Moreover, I would like to know if that make a difference to pay for the paint sealant and the undercoating? Let me know if I will just waste my money or if it's a good idea?
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Posts: 1,207
    While NEW cars are significantly cheaper than in the US

    That may have been true when the exchange rate was C$1.40 to the US$, but now that it's more like C$1.25 I don't think there are many cars that are significantly cheaper in Canada if you compare like with like.
  • jlawrence01jlawrence01 Posts: 1,828
    **I don't think there are many cars that are significantly cheaper in Canada if you compare like with like. ***

    Back in September, when the exchange rate was something close to C$1.23, I bought five Ford F250s that were identically equipped. Three went to Montreal, Toronto and Edmonton and two went to the midwesterm states. There was about a $1500 difference in the price that I paid taking into account currency exchange. I bought them through the same leasing company and took advantage of all available incentive programs from Ford.

    For the most part, it is a moot point since the overwhelming majority of Canadian dealers will not sell to residents of the United States and visa versa.
  • mikeb2mikeb2 Posts: 1
    My daughter is a student at a university in the US. We live in Toronto. I'm planning to get a car for her, and am wondering about the pros and cons of buying one in Canada and having her use it in the US, versus buying one in the US. This is not an issue of price (I'll deal with that separately), but I am concerned about possible licencing, insurance or other issues.

    Does anyone have any views on this topic?
  • ykim1ykim1 Posts: 1
    Dear Mbagrad

    Can you tell me which cars are not imported to USA?
  • jlawrence01jlawrence01 Posts: 1,828
    Over the years, the following cars were marketed in Canada but not sold in the US. This is an "off the top of my head" list, not a complete one.

    Nissan Micra
    Innocenti
    Mercedes Smart Car
    Lada
    Skoda
    Dacia
    Hyundai Pony (pre Excel)
    certain Peugeot models

    I am sure that others can give you a more specific list.
  • Also add...

    Acura EL and CSX
    Asuna
    Optima

    There is a good list of cars marketed in Canada but not U.S. at Wikipedia.
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