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European Delivery Experiences, Advice and Info

CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515
edited March 16 in Mercedes-Benz
In the past, I have seen several posts in the
Smart Shopper's Conference requesting information
on purchasing cars with European Delivery.
European Delivery is a neat way to purchase a car
if you have the time and are planning to visit
Europe. It will save you money on your purchase
and you will have a vehicle to drive around when
you are on vacation. Recently I came across an
interesting article in the New York Times that
details current Euro Delivery plans offered by
several manufacturers. Here are some of the offers
that are currently available:

Last year BMW sold 1,256 cars through Euro
Delivery. This is by far the most popular program
among the manufacturers that offer this option.
Customer savings on vehicles ranged from $2,160 on
a 318ti to $10,835 for a 720iL. The program
includes 30 days insurance and temporary
registration.

Last year Mercedes-Benz sold 906 cars through
European Delivery. To give you some idea of the
savings provided through this program, customers
saved $1,500 on a C230. As a perk, Mercedes throws
in 2 nights in a hotel, 2 weeks insurance and
registration, and a free factory tour.

Porsche does not offer any savings for purchasing
a vehicle through Euro Delivery. In fact, they
charge customers a $2,250 fee for the program.
Porsche throws in a factory tour, 2 weeks
insurance, and 30 day registration.

Last year Volvo sold 930 cars through Euro
Delivery. The savings varies widely in Volvo's
program, from $0 on a C70 Coupe to $4,000 for a V70
R 4WD. As an added bonus, Volvo throws in one
round-trip coach airline ticket, and one night in a
hotel.

Last year Saab sold 129 cars through European
Delivery. Savings ranges from $1,825 on a 9-3
three door to $2,625 on a 9-3 Convertible. Through
May 31st, Saab is offering two round-trip coach
airline tickets, airport pickup, one night in a
hotel, dinner, and shuttle to the vehicle delivery
center at no extra charge.

Last year Jaguar only sold 4 units through
European Delivery! Obviously this is not a very
popular program. Savings through this program
average 2.5% of the car's retail price. However,
these savings are offset by customer fees for
marine freight, insurance, and customs duties.
Jaguar offers a free factory tour to European
Delivery customers.
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Comments

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,116
    With marine freight for a solo car in a container running around $2,500 - $3,000 (Bremerhaven to West Coast USA), it seems that the European delivery plan works best for the more expensive cars. Of course, you do get to drive a nice car throughout Europe, so that's also a consideration.
    I was surprised about cheapskate Porsche, though. Money must still be tight with them.

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  • vwagnervwagner Posts: 1
    A friend just bought a BMW on the European delivery program. BMW pays the freight and provides 30 days of European insurance. The buyer still pays the tarrif, but should come out well ahead given the 10+ percent discount off domestic prices. Basically, for a $40,000 car, it paid for the European vacation.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,116
    Yeah, I think at the $40K level, the European plans do make sense, but in the high $20Ks, I'm not so sure.

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  • Karen_CMKaren_CM Posts: 5,018
    Hey Carman & Mr. Shiftright!

    jrthomas posted the following in Station Wagons and I knew there would be a more appropriate topic here in Smart Shopper for him!

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    #0 of 0: (jrthomas) Tue 09 Jun '98 (11:57 AM)

    Does anyone have experience with overseas delivery of European automobiles ?

    I'm interested in picking up a Volvo AWD in Europe. The Volvo brochure says that it must be arranged through a dealer, and gives the prices, which are actually lower than Dealer Invoice in the U.S.

    My question is this: can one bargain with the dealer on the European Delivery price, or is that not negotiable ?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,116
    It is my understanding that you cannot bargain with a dealer on the European Delivery Plan, since this is all set up and locked in by the factory, and there are probably set fees to the dealer which he/she isn't going to bargain away...not enough meat on the bone for everyone.

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  • bill7bill7 Posts: 4
    Shiftright, I'm sure I've seen varying prices
    on BMW Euro deliveries; certain agressive
    places advertise prices in a club magazine,
    the Roundel.

    I have a question about Euro deliveries; can
    you arrange it with any dealer in the U.S.,
    regardless of location? Does it matter if
    you arrange the E.D. with a dealer across
    the country from where you want the car
    ultimately shipped?

    And when the car *is* finally shipped to the
    U.S., who does it go to? Local dealer?

    (Always looking for a way to cut those Bay
    Area BMW dealers out of my business...)
  • biabia Posts: 1
    A word of warning. Be sure to pay your luxury tax on cars purchased under the European delivery plan. The IRS started issuing subpoenas to get records from the automakers and were successful in at least one case (don't remember which, BMW or Mercedes). Very few people were paying those taxes!

    I'm curious about the break-in period on such a car. Does the factory do it for you? I can't imagine being able to resist temptation to go fast on the Autobahn (part of the appeal of the program, no?). I had a hard enough time restraining myself to under 65 while breaking in my car.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,116
    Dear Bia,

    One doesn't much have to "break in" modern cars anymore, just exercise some common sense for a few hundred miles...I'd keep it out of the extreme RPM ranges (redline) and I'd vary speeds considerably. But if you're turning 4000 rpm and that translates into 100 mph, that's okay by me...I'd just vary the RPMs a lot for a few days, and give the engine different loads and heat ranges.

    As for the European delivery questions, I'd ask the Roundel advertisers what they are up to--some of them may have special deals with the factory, I don't know, or come up with their own imaginative promotion deals. My impression has always been that the deals on European delivery were pretty tight...but maybe someone has a different read on that?

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  • sirplbsirplb Posts: 1
    I too am curious about finding information about ED,a VW Eurovan in particular, which dealers, etc. . . .
  • I came across a press release from Mercedes the other day that I thought people who are looking for information about European Delivery may be interested in. Here is a section of the release:

    Mercedes-Benz of North America, Inc. announced a milestone in its new interactive retail initiative: European Delivery on the World Wide Web. Customers visiting MBNA's corporate Web site, www.MBUSA.com , can obtain information about the European Delivery Program (EDP) Online, configure a 1999 Mercedes-Benz model, explore and plan a trip abroad, and even place an order online.

    "Our European Delivery Program is extremely popular. Since it started in 1964, more than 100,000 vehicles have been sold. We put European Delivery online to take it to the next step: virtual one-stop shopping for those who want to combine a European vacation with the purchase of a new Mercedes," said Joe Eberhardt, vice president of marketing for MBNA.

    EDP Online allows customers and prospects to get information about the program, put together different color and option combinations on any Mercedes model using one of the most advanced vehicle configurators on the Web, place an order for pick-up at the Mercedes-Benz factory in Sindelfingen, Germany, and then retrieve the vehicle at their designated local U.S. Mercedes-Benz dealer in the United States.

    When arranging to purchase a Mercedes-Benz through European Delivery Online, users can also plan for travel abroad. EDP includes taxi vouchers; two nights for two at a choice of selected first-class hotels; a tour and a meal at the factory; 15 days' of fall European car insurance coverage with no deductible; U.S. Customs duty and home shipment of the vehicle....

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,116
    And here's the link to the VW homepage:

    http://www3.vw.com/index7.htm

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  • kimtkimt Posts: 9
    I'm Interested in buying a new Mercedes E320 through European Delivery...

    Has any one been through this?

    Was it worth the time and effort?

    Did you save any money or did you just get a paid vacation out of the deal?

    I know Mercedes offers 2 nights hotel and a few other goodies but you still have to pay air fare and who wants to go all the way to Germany and only spend 2 nights. Seems like you need a week or 2.
  • I am interested in buying a new 323i and the European Delivery program seems like a good option based on the information on the BMW website. They say you save about $1850 on the MSRP of the car. If this price is not negotiable, I fail to see how it is cheaper??
    I also noticed one of the posts mentioning that the buyer pays a "tariff". Does anyone know if this is true and how much it runs? The info on the BMW web site does not mention any additional costs.
    Just curious....
  • omar2omar2 Posts: 12
    I think you're right about price, you can get as good a price at the local dealer. If you save any money, it's from being able to use a car that would rent for $200/day.
  • Well actually you caan negotiate the price with the dealer and you get GOOD savings - even for a 20+K car(may be upto 15%). These cars are not part of dealer's quota nad they act like 'agents' so all they lose is the few minutes they spend with you and they do get about 3 or 4 % of the price of the car. I am ASSUMING that there is some tax or quota loophole for the car manufacturer (they import and sell to you in US vs you buy and bring as an individual). Tourists can 'import' or buy when they go abroad and they will ship to you, things like furniture carpets etc and save money- it is actually true with furniture - you can cross the border to canada buy some and they will ship them to you. It is cheaper than calling the same store and ordering by phone (Some times you can do that but also send a letter saying that please ship the stuff I bought during my trip....). I did not understand the savings at first also, I am gonna buy a bmw soon and I will let you know. But in the mean time if you go and buy something on your own, in the streets it will NOT be cheaper as you pay the local duty and local taxes(a seiko watch is more expensive in Japan than in US).
    I will update when I findout.
    rp
  • omar2omar2 Posts: 12
    Just learned Mercedes has added the CLK320 and SLK230 to European delivery. The dealer thought you could halve the wait time on a CLK going for European delivery.
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    Did you get the euro-delivery ,if so were you able to get the 15% off ??
  • omar2omar2 Posts: 12
    This is a long-shot, but would appreciate any feedback on the hotels in the MB European delivery program. Particularly the Stuttgart Intercontinental, Schlosshotel Lisl, Hoenschwangau and Interalpen Hotel Tyrol.
    Thanks
  • rstefrstef Posts: 5
    I'm interested in the opposite trick:
    I'm going to transfer back to Italy in six months, and since VW and Audis are way cheaper here, I was thinking about buying one through Euro delivery and then keeping it there...
    Does anybody has a clue about this option?
  • omar2omar2 Posts: 12
    I'm not sure you can do this. My purchase order from Mercedes says I agree to import the car to the US. In any case, VW/Audi doesn't have a European delivery program.
  • dranoeldranoel Posts: 79
    omar2
    The Intercontinental in Stuttgart is a great hotel. Stayed there before I picked up my MB C-230 K last Sept.. The second night stayed at Buhl, also a great hotel. The factory delivery program is flawless, I highly recommend it, and no I don't work for MB. Dranoel
  • omar2omar2 Posts: 12
    Dranoel,
    Thanks for the input. We thought about picking up the car the same day and driving into the country, but Stuttgart is meant to be a nice city. Plus, the factory tours in the AM are more intimate, they're for customers only.
  • dranoeldranoel Posts: 79
    omar2,
    You'll get a laugh when the factory people tell you to keep your car under 160 KPH (100 MPH) for the first 1000 miles. Can you imagine a US manufacturer or dealer telling you that ? We were in Europe for 6 weeks and had the opportunity to put on over 3300 miles on the C-230 K, and yes, we did run it on the Autobahn at well over 100 MPH and it ran extremely well.. If you travel under 90 MPH, you better be in the extreme left lane or you will be blown away.
    Dranoel
  • dranoeldranoel Posts: 79
    omar2
    Oops ! On post 26 change extreme left lane to right lane on the 3rd line from the bottom--Sorry.
    dranoel
  • dkatlantadkatlanta Posts: 23
    I'm contemplating ordering a BMW 5 series for European Delivery and would like to negotiate the best price possible. Does anyone know where I can find the "dealer cost" for a European Delivery car and accessories?
  • dranoeldranoel Posts: 79
    dkatlanta,
    I tried to find dealer cost last year when I took delivery of a MB 230 K at the factory.------no luck--prior to that I tried to get the BMW numbers--no luck either. I believe the dealers get small commision from the factory. I've never heard of anyone negotiating a lower price than the stated price for factory deliveries.
    But it never hurts to try--good luck
  • dkatlantadkatlanta Posts: 23
    dranoel,

    Thanks for the information! As it turns out, my BMW salesman has offered a $1,000 discount on the European Delivery price. I don't think I can complain.
  • dranoeldranoel Posts: 79
    dkatlanta,
    Congratulations ! I had to pay full list for my MB last summer.
    You tried--and you won--maybe this is a coming trend--------dranoel
  • rstef,
    According to the San Jose Mercury News, I was wrong in post 23, VW/Audi does have a European delivery program (Jaguar, too). But I wouldn't call that a reliable source, check with a dealer.

    dranoel.
    Thanks for the advice on driving the Autobahn. I've driven it before and know that when some guy in an S500 comes roaring by you at 160 mph you feel like cowering under the dash board.

    Dkatlanta,
    Do you know if you are actually buying the car from BMW Germany or from your dealer. Just curious how your dealer can offer a discount. MB dealers can't discount because you are buying the car from MB in Germany and the dealer is getting a commission.

    Oh, if this is confusing, I used to be Omar2 before I was killed off by the myterious Edumunds log in system.
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