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European Delivery Experiences, Advice and Info

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  • 530ir1150r530ir1150r Posts: 263
    Continuation of #176

    Delivery experience. Saab provides transportation to the delivery center which is a Saab Dealer in Trollhattan. The car is under cover in a large garage area. We forgot to look at the Saab store for individual items. Saab provided a very good European Road Atlas and gave us a Saab key ring. Time in and out was less than an hour. Draw with BMW.

    Car condition at delivery. Car was detailed perfectly, but only had 3/4 tank of gas and had 1.3 miles on the trip odometer. Advantage BMW

    I expect the car to be delivered in excellent condition in 6-8 weeks. Saab's overall experience is better than BMW's, but the difference is not enough to determine which car to purchase. Also, restaurants we found in Sweden, Norway and Denmark were better than the restaurants we found in Germany, Switzerland, France, Ireland and England 3 years ago.
  • It was stated in a message that BMWs are discounted 7% for the ED program, but the message also said that the sticker is negotiable.

    Does this mean that I can do better than the 7%?

    Thanks, JEFF
  • 530ir1150r530ir1150r Posts: 263
    Yes. Our 530i was discounted another $1000. Others here have talked about $1000 to $1500 over invoice depending on model.
  • 530ir1150r530ir1150r Posts: 263
    Continuation of #183

    We pick up our Saab 9-3 Convertible this evening, 2 weeks ahead of schedule.
  • Does Volvo limit the varieties of its cars available for European delivery? Its website currently lists just about all of its models as being available. It also says the new C70 convertible is scheduled to come out next Spring, and my guess is that it will be probably be selling at MSRP or higher when it comes out. Anybody know whether that kind of car is one that would be available for European delivery?
  • vsaxenavsaxena Posts: 201
    Volvo has incentives these days to move their cars. If I go via Volvo Euro Delivery do I get the incentives also? From what I have heard, unlike BMW, Volvo does not publish an invoice price for Euro Delivery. They give the dealer a certain amount (the number quoted is 5%, though I do not know). Have folks had any luck in getting the dealer to split this difference. 5% on a $40K car is a generous chunk :).
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,973
    The incentives are not available on Euro Delivery. The Euro Delivery program gets you a price of about 8% under base MSRP and the options/packages are MSRP. You also get the 2 free round trip tickets and the one night hotel stay.

    My understanding is the dealer gets a couple hundred dollars for processing the order and prepping the vehicle in the states. If the dealer were getting 5% per vehicle, they'd make more money doing Euro deliveries than selling from inventory.

    The vehicle will most likely cost you less money buying off the lot with the various incentives. The Euro Delivery bonus is the trip and a decent price on the car.

    Go to www.flyvolvo.com and poke around. You'll see pricing there.
  • c_yac_ya Posts: 1
    I can, it will be cold. HOW cold, depends on where you are picking it up. Both Scandinavia and Germany are cold in the winter. Make sure you get heated seats. Both areas have great Christmas and New Years events. Much better than in US. Europeans are not afraid of the cold. Similar to the Quebec Ice Sculpture Festival, some of the towns have great activities and things to do in the winter. Much better way to spend Christmas and New Years than in US.
  • rdubsrdubs Posts: 11
    Hi ger3sf,
    I have exactly the same question. Anyone know if the ED discount for Mercedes applies in addition to the price you can negotiate the dealer down to, or is it strictly from the MSRP, no more lower price? Looking at a 2006 CLK350.
    Thanks in advance.
  • Hi, I'm interested in getting a VW for European Delivery. Does anyone know if there are any such programs?

    I'd like to get either a diesel Jetta or a diesel Passat. Unfortunately, there are no diesel Jettas in stock in the US now -- perhaps given to the rising gas prices after Katrina. And VW has oddly decided not to sell the new Passat with a diesel engine at least until 2007 (according to my local dealer) :confuse:

    - Frank
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,973
    VW does not offer a European delivery program. Especially since the Jetta is made in Mexico for the US market.

    I think VW isn't offering the diesel Passat until 2007 because of the impending implementation of low sulphur diesel in the US.
  • We picked up our 2004 Volvo V70 in July of 2003. This was the second Volvo we ordered through ED and both experiences were great.

    Note that there are a few differences on what options you can get. We bought through Don Beyer Volvo in Alexandria, VA. They had cars in inventory, but did not have any which had the options we wanted. With ED, we could order exactly what we wanted. We wanted automatic leveling (which is great feature), and very few Volvos wagons in the US have that, and you could not order one for US delivery with it. It would have had to have been a dealer install, which we were not keen of the dealer doing it, and there would have been allot of labor added to the cost (which is not reflected below) Another issue was we wanted a trailer hitch installed, but they would not install on ED, so we had to have dealer install it. We were OK with that since it was just a trailer hitch.

    Below is a breakdown of what we ordered, with a total savings on just the cost of the car being $3,781, plus we had to pay a little extra for the Bremerhaven drop off and ferry from Sweden. Then we also had a total savings from Volvo of $5,727 for the trip.

    As soon as the new 2006 C70 is availabe for ED, I will buy it.....

    -----

    2004 Volvo V70

    (note that the first price is the Price US, which is what we would have paid if purchased through a dealer, the second is what we actually paid through Volvo TDS).

    Item Price US Price TDS Remarks
    Base Price 28460 26750
    Destination Fee 685 Included
    Metallic Paint 450 Included
    Premium Package 2995 2995
    Mimas 16” Wheels 500 500
    Automatic Transmission 1000 Included
    Leveling System 495 495 Would be much more on US version
    12 Volt Cargo Area 25 25
    Touch Up Paint 5 5
    Front Fog Lights 179 225
    Mud Flaps Front 24 70
    Mud Flaps Rear 35 70
    Floor Mats Rubber 139 55
    Cargo Mat Reversible 80 80
    CD Changer 612 695
    Spoiler Rear 309 350
    Protection Net Steel 265 200
    Load Carrier Square 138 100
    Security Film Side Windows 300 300
    SUBTOTAL $ 36,696 $ 32,915
    Shipping from Frankfurt N/A $220 Free if shipped from Bremerhaven
    Ferry from Sweden to Germany N/A $300.00

    Savings – Paid for by Volvo
    2 Round Trip Tickets - SAS N/A 3000 Upgrade to Bus if Prem Exec
    1 Night Radisson Hotel N/A 145
    Limo from Airport to Factory N/A 15
    Lunch for 2 at Factory N/A 20
    15 days European Insurance N/A 200
    Shipping of car to Baltimore N/A 1500
    Cell Phone for 7 Days N/A 35
    Customs Duty N/A 812.70
    Total 5727
  • We have also had 2 ED experiences (2002 BMW 530i and 2005 Saab Arc convertible), but there is one detail you have not considered. You know what you paid for your Volvo. You do not know what you would have paid for an US delivered model. A typical discount on Volvos is near 10% which would be over $3000 off your savings. Also, having your own car in Europe eliminates other transportation costs, adding to your savings.

    We intend to do a third ED, but unless you want to vacation in Europe, it really is not worth the extra hassle. It takes approximately 6 months from initial order till final US delivery.
  • I'm a broke soon to be graduated graduate student and my wife and I would love to take a trip through europe and we need a car. However, given my lack of present income and he mediocre income I don't think we are in the market for a BMW, or Saab at present. VW would be possible but from everything I know they killed the ED program, are there any other manufactures that have more.... ahem... budgetary considerations? Thanks!
  • Does anyone know where I can obtain invoice prices for both Volvo and BMW cars?
  • If you had the option between purchasing a volvo in the US or purchasing the car on the oversea delivery plan, which one would you choose? and why? Are the savings worth the trip?
  • If money is your only criteria, buy the car here. With Volvos and Saabs it is hard to compare because the discounts on cars here are much larger than discounts on ED, if any.

    The real savings is if you are planning a European vacation. You are driving your car instead of renting, you are on your schedule and you see and do what you want to see and do.

    Another thing to keep in mind, buying a car on ED is a 6 month process;shop, order the car 3 months before delivery, pay for the car 1 month before delivery, vacation for 1-2 weeks and delivery at home 6 weeks after drop off in Europe. Also, if financing or leasing you may make 2 payments before your car arrives here.

    We did a ED on a 2005 Saab 9-3 Convertible last summer and on a 2002 BMW 530i and we believe if you are planning to buy a European car and plan to vacation in Europe, combining the two is the only way to go.
  • I had to be 3 mos. in Germany last spring, and when I checked car rental prices decided buying a car was a better deal. I got a Mercedes station wagon through their website, which included an 8% discount (I assume from list), 30 days of insurance, transport from Germany to the local dealer in the U.S., hotel for a night in Stuttgart, taxi to the factory, and lunch there. The whole process was absolutely painless, and we sure preferred a roomy station wagon to a small rental car for an obscene number of $1000s. BMW also offered the same discount and amenities plus two round-trip tickets to Germany and back, but they required a six-week notice, and I did not have time enough to go that route.

    I am returning to Germany in the fall for another three months, and I am trying to figure out the best deal for transportation again. Renting a car is a possibility, of course, and I have also thought about another factory delivery and selling the new Mercedes before I leave the U.S. I am considering Mercedes again, but I have also thought about BMW and Porsche from the factory. I know Volvo has a European delivery program, but dealing with Sweden seems like quite a hassle for someone who is going to be in Germany. Besides, I had a Volvo some years ago, and it was, quite frankly, a pretty lousy car with a lot of cheap plastic parts that did not perform very well.

    Does anyone have any advice about how to determine the best deal for getting three months of cost-effective transportation in Germany next fall (Sept., Oct., Nov.)?
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Posts: 9,359
    ... **Does anyone have any advice about how to determine the best deal for getting three months of cost-effective transportation in Germany next fall (Sept., Oct., Nov.)? ..**

    Check with Mathias ......

    Terry.
  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,422
    Well, I'm here... but I don't know much about buying cars in Germany... never done it myself.

    Euro delivery can make sense for you, but the exchange rate is not your friend at the moment. IF you want a Mercedes [Porsche, BMW] anyway, then go for it, but by the time you add the friction costs of reselling, paying sales tax at home et cetera, I think you might as well rent a small car... sticks are cheaper :-)

    Of course, buying an older jalopy is an excellent exercise for your German abilities... I suspect that even there, the car people have a language all their own. You know "needs fixed... runs good... fresh V8... does have rust" -- that sort of thing.

    Now if my old man will finally go and buy an A4 this fall, you're welcome to his '95 Ford Mondeo wagon with automatic for a pittance, I'm sure...

    Viel Glueck,
    -Mathias
  • khoonkhoon Posts: 85
    Eurobuyers.com used to provide invoice pricing for the 3 series. Can someone recommend an alternate site that provides 3 series invoice pricing for US and/or Euro delivery?

    Thanks in advance
  • Is it possible to purchase a rack & cargo box and have it shipped back in the car? There seems to be a bit of a customs issue. One possibility that I haven't got an answer to is that if the invoice for the car states that it has a rack & box, then customs shouldn't have a problem.
    Anyone have any experience with this?

    Thanks.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,973
    You'd have to check with whoever you are buying it from. IIRC, with Volvo if it's a factory installed unit it can be sent back with the vehicle.
  • inealeineale Posts: 1
    At what point are US sales taxes paid on the vehicle?

    Thanks

    Ian
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,973
    At what point are US sales taxes paid on the vehicle?

    It depends on your state but most likely when you actually register the vehicle.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,613
    The host will probably delete that post, so I'll jump ahead for those interested and post a link directly to the PDF that Jon and bimmerfest was so kind to post.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • v_dv_d Posts: 89
    Can you import in Canada/US a Peugeot from France for example? Do you guys have any idea how the insurance companies will deal with it or any other expenses?

    Thx.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,973
    Under typical circumstances you cannot import just any vehicle from Europe.

    There are specific rules on this - I'm not sure the exact but it's something like the vehicle must be 15+ years old.

    Diplomats can import vehicles but they must go back when they go back.
  • v_dv_d Posts: 89
    I HATE DIPLOMATS!!! :D
    stupid laws, why would you import a car that's 15yrs old in the first place, so you'd get an unrepairable piece of junk? So smart...
  • Plenty of cars that are 15 years old can be reliable and in actuality the age restriction is 25 years.

    Grey Market age rules.

    Plenty of unique vehicles that were not able to be imported into the US originaly are now imported when they are 25 years old or older.

    Many original Mini Coopers and Austins are imported this way. Land Rover Defenders will be imported this way as well in the next few years.
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