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Quintessential Mid 90's Loser Cars

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  • otto8otto8 Posts: 116
    Those Lemans were just rebadged kias!
    And a POS to boot...........You must of been lucky!
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,923
    I have to believe the Opel built cars were better than the Daewoos. There were tuner versions of that car in Europe, as you mention - none ever came to NA!
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,100
    I must have been lucky? Why cause I never owned one? I never got around to buying one..

    I guess the Kadetts for the Euro market were built in Germany and were of much better quality.

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,409
    I guess the Kadetts for the Euro market were built in Germany and were of much better quality.

    except the one my uncle bought, which turned out to have been painted but not primed. really.

    i think that was his last opel... -mathias
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    Those Lemans were just rebadged kias!
    And a POS to boot...........You must of been lucky!


    Half right. They were Daewoos, not Kias. Kia built the Ford Festiva, which was a heck of a lot more reliable, but not exactly a "winner car."

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    Not sure if I'd consider them total "loser cars" as I remember the reviews saying they handled very sporty (might even have a lotus designed suspension under there) but they were damn fugly.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,923
    I still see quite a few of those things around. I wonder if they had some Mazda input under them, as they seem better than later Kia products, and better than the Aspire which I believe shared many components.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,923
    If they had introduced it 10 years later, it probably would have been a hit. Well, save for those plastic fenders.
  • The vehicross is pretty good off-road just funky looking is all.

    I would drive one.
  • Kia built the Festiva and Aspire. And, even though Kia is perceived as a POS manufacturer, Kia is head and shoulders above Daewoo. Actually, I'd say modern Kia's are pretty good products.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,120
    I believe the Festiva was a rebadged Mazda 2, make by Kia. I understand they were good, durable cars, their appearance suggested otherwise. Although the Aspire is the next generation Festiva, for whatever reasons the quality took a dive.

    Neither the Festiva nor the Aspire were significant, but, then, much of what we talk about in these discusssions is trivial. Oh, well, it's harmless fun.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    Those Festivas were tough, long-lasting cars. But even in the 90s when they were fairly new they were glaringly cheap and labelled their owners as such.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,120
    Yeah, you're right. I remember that they were considered "throw-aways."
  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,409
    the festiva soldiered on in europe as the mazda 121, same body style and everything, into the aughties. it wasn't a bad city car, just old and plain, and surprisingly cheap.
    and pretty well built, too, by all accounts.
    -mathias
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,923
    You mean discussing bottom of the line cars introduced for model year 1988 is trivial? ;)

    Europe had that 121 for a long time as steine mentions - and they were never cursed with the Aspire, in the terrible period colors I remember. The car itself was bad enough, but it seems half of them around here were teal, purple, kind of a dark magenta, etc. I'd say the Aspire has to rank way up there for the subject of this thread - if not just for the stupid name, for the low quality, terrible image, and I bet the mileage isn't even that great.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,594
    I remember in college, one of my classmates had a Festiva. I rode in it once or twice. It was surprisingly roomy up front...I had adequate room, at least. However, the doors seemed paper thin, and the whole car just seemed like it would fall apart in the slightest impact. And the seats themselves seemed kinda small.
  • I bought a Festiva the first year they started selling them in the U.S. I drove it for 300,000 miles to work and school and it was probably the most reliable death trap I've ever owned. It was a great second car and was still running when I had it hauled off for scrap (truly disposable cars) but the blow by from the engine had become unbearable inside. It was clown car roomy inside (I'm 6 feet 5) and surprisingly fun to drive. I advanced the distributor a few degrees so even though it took about 12 seconds to reach 60, it could climb hills better than expected. People didn't like being passed uphill by a Festiva so downhill payback was a forgone conclusion, especially from drivers of small pickups with oversized wheels.
    It may have been a loser car but it never attempted to be anything but a dirt cheap commuter car and it served my purposes at the time. I think it had about 60 hp, but weighed less than 1900 lbs, about 41 mpg highway. I still think the name was horrible though. It was imported by Ford from Korea, but had a Mazda engine control system and the distributor was made by Mitsubishi.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,923
    I liked the Festiva "L" - the "Festival". That was the model driven by a girl I knew in high school...the car a half dozen or so of us teenaged boys picked up and moved into the entrance of a double door school building as a prank.
  • boomchekboomchek Vancouver, BC, CanadaPosts: 5,100
    It may have been a loser car but it never attempted to be anything but a dirt cheap commuter car

    It's only a loser car if you drive one now. ;)

    2007 BMW 328i Sports Pkg, 1993 Honda Accord EXR (my 33rd car).

  • otto8otto8 Posts: 116
    DUH! My bad!

    daewoo or kia.................both were/are a POS!
    :P
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